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Pototan

(2,099 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:42 AM Oct 6

NY Times finally details Trump's cognitive decline in scathing article

Former President Donald J. Trump vividly recounted how the audience at his climactic debate with Vice President Kamala Harris was on his side. Except that there was no audience. The debate was held in an empty hall. No one “went crazy,” as Mr. Trump put it, because no one was there.

Anyone can misremember, of course. But the debate had been just a week earlier and a fairly memorable moment. And it was hardly the only time Mr. Trump has seemed confused, forgetful, incoherent or disconnected from reality lately. In fact, it happens so often these days that it no longer even generates much attention.

He rambles, he repeats himself, he roams from thought to thought — some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished, some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth. He digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his own “beautiful” body. He relishes “a great day in Louisiana” after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that North Korea is “trying to kill me” when he presumably means Iran. As late as last month, Mr. Trump was still speaking as if he were running against President Biden, five weeks after his withdrawal from the race.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/us/politics/trump-speeches-age-cognitive-decline.html?unlocked_article_code=1.QE4.Sj6N.wDMvFD_Cmj4k&smid=url-share

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NY Times finally details Trump's cognitive decline in scathing article (Original Post) Pototan Oct 6 OP
The mail-in ballots are already being filled out and Vogon_Glory Oct 6 #1
Better late than never... Pototan Oct 6 #2
You have a point, but Vogon_Glory Oct 6 #5
Maggie Will Write a Gushing Piece NonPC Oct 6 #44
She's 50% of the reason I canceled my subscription nankerphelge Oct 6 #47
But why would you do that BaronChocula Oct 6 #71
The other 50% was worse? Wonder Why Oct 6 #80
In Colorado, moreland01 Oct 6 #79
Let's see if any of the other MSM picks this up and reports it. Gaytano70 Oct 6 #3
shithole was declining before the 2024 debate with Pres Biden........ Lovie777 Oct 6 #4
Yup, and that backfired, bigly Joinfortmill Oct 6 #65
AHHHHH!!!!... Montauk6 Oct 6 #84
What happens if he completely melts down in a couple weeks... MiHale Oct 6 #6
I think ticket stays as is & then IF ticket wins Bernardo de La Paz Oct 6 #9
Thanks ... we do live in interesting times... MiHale Oct 6 #15
I think that they would keep Trump around markodochartaigh Oct 6 #18
Kind of like Reagan? LiberalArkie Oct 6 #35
Celebrity spokesman. "Beano" comes to mind. Buns_of_Fire Oct 6 #52
How can they get carbon credits for BattleRow Oct 6 #72
As long as he can be controlled Mz Pip Oct 6 #60
At the rate he's going I expect in him to implode in the next few weeks kimbutgar Oct 6 #37
NOT picking a fight........ MyOwnPeace Oct 6 #54
This time he is up against a candidate that will kick his ass and she has more money and a better ground game kimbutgar Oct 6 #70
Happened in 1872 Retrograde Oct 6 #86
I want a light shining on this for the next month. ms liberty Oct 6 #7
They should have all their thumbsuckers weigh in nuxvomica Oct 6 #20
He's too old and not capable of doing the job of POTUS. OrlandoDem2 Oct 6 #8
The LIES he needs his audience to believe have always been untethered from reality Martin Eden Oct 6 #10
What LIES? Chili Pepper Oct 6 #24
The so-called "liberal media" bends over backwards to avoid the perception of bias Martin Eden Oct 6 #46
Madman and getting worse mountain grammy Oct 6 #11
The Panama Canal was built under nets. Now there is a new one. Botany Oct 6 #12
Jimmy Carter could give him a lesson or two on mosquito netting ALBliberal Oct 6 #21
BIG NETS!!!!! MyOwnPeace Oct 6 #57
" some of them factually fantastical" progressoid Oct 6 #13
"In fact, markodochartaigh Oct 6 #14
One article krkaufman Oct 6 #16
The upshot of this article is that Peter Baker thinks Trump is going to lose Prairie Gates Oct 6 #17
...which says as much about Peter Baker as it does about Trump. dchill Oct 6 #26
Correct. Peter Baker is a worm Prairie Gates Oct 6 #34
Peter Baker is disliked among his fellow worms. dchill Oct 6 #49
I think Peter has been embarrassed when he Bev54 Oct 6 #31
One of the two automatic turn off-the-teevee when they come on not fooled Oct 6 #55
Baker is an auto channel switch for me too Prairie Gates Oct 6 #66
Interesting perspective senseandsensibility Oct 6 #67
They should have done it 4 months ago kansasobama Oct 6 #19
It helps now Pototan Oct 6 #22
Agree Pinback Oct 6 #83
Isn't it so sweet when you can see the moment Baitball Blogger Oct 6 #23
Now how about a front page article every day until election KS Toronado Oct 6 #25
This! happy feet Oct 7 #88
For his own good people need to stop voting for Trump Farmer-Rick Oct 6 #27
The man is a train wreck. CrispyQ Oct 6 #28
I do actually know 1 racist voter who won't vote for Trump because he is embarrassing arlyellowdog Oct 6 #29
"It happens so often it doesn't generate attention" Bev54 Oct 6 #30
Welcome to 2018 or whatever year. Tetrachloride Oct 6 #32
A vote for Trump is a vote for Vance, who will be president before the end of Trump's term. Martin68 Oct 6 #33
Yes, TSF is extremely lazy central scrutinizer Oct 6 #42
So little, so late... hay rick Oct 6 #36
Quick search under "NYT trump cognitive decline" yields articles in January 2024, June before Biden debate, even 2018. Silent Type Oct 6 #38
Too little, too late. I cancelled my subscription a couple months ago because of their PatrickforB Oct 6 #39
Late to the party as usual peggysue2 Oct 6 #40
The same NYT that everyone around here hates? bif Oct 6 #41
Not me. I have a subscription Pototan Oct 6 #45
I totally agree bif Oct 6 #56
So what happens if the breaking point is reached before the election? Do we get Vance? is there anything in the Amaryllis Oct 6 #43
Too little JustAnotherGen Oct 6 #48
The convicted felons cognitive decline is getting a little hard to ignore, republianmushroom Oct 6 #50
Deranged and demented criminal dalton99a Oct 6 #51
About time ... BlueWavePsych Oct 6 #53
It's about time, NYT. Appreciate the unlocked article, Pototan Hekate Oct 6 #58
TFG's dementia is getting hard for even the NYT to ignore LetMyPeopleVote Oct 6 #59
If i could ....... DonOLD would be locked up in the nut house or jail for rest of his life. No parole. Trueblue1968 Oct 6 #77
Is this part of a Secret Vance Plan? Shoonra Oct 6 #61
Fantastic headline from The Daily Beast on Donald Trump's cognitive decline! LetMyPeopleVote Oct 6 #62
Until this becomes the framing and the narrative of every headline and article about Trump... RidinWithHarris Oct 6 #63
So, is the loss of subscriptions having an impact? Joinfortmill Oct 6 #64
He won't last a year. "He gone". Vance is the nominee, in fact. usonian Oct 6 #68
Which have may have been the master plan all along Rocknation Oct 6 #73
I didn't say within THE year. usonian Oct 6 #75
Oh this is rich: LearnedHand Oct 6 #69
It is way to obvious to me . . . Richard D Oct 6 #74
Ok finally but they didn't mention the anti-immigrant bigotry, the racism and misogyny nor the divisiveness of his ShazamIam Oct 6 #76
don't forget we're a nation in decline. Emile Oct 6 #78
Did Kamala agree Hstch05 Oct 6 #81
So, has Sulzberger gotten over his butt hurt about Kamala Harris not doing a specific 4lbs Oct 6 #82
"factually fantastical"? aWhy not just say, Liar, liar, pants on fire? n/t aggiesal Oct 6 #85
Most people reach their intellectual peak at around the age of 25. Aussie105 Oct 7 #87
Post removed Post removed Oct 7 #89
Something they can point to when it comes time to pretend they were on the right side of history. D23MIURG23 Oct 7 #90
Adding this - helps explain why they finally wrote this malaise Oct 7 #91
Deep dive probe into 9 years of Trump rallies reveals startling changes: NY Times LetMyPeopleVote Oct 7 #92

Vogon_Glory

(9,592 posts)
1. The mail-in ballots are already being filled out and
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:50 AM
Oct 6

posted and only now does the New York Times condescend to formally take note of no. 45’s mental deterioration.



Vogon_Glory

(9,592 posts)
5. You have a point, but
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:56 AM
Oct 6

the way the Times is acting these days, I’d almost expect them to wait to say something the first Wednesday of November.

BaronChocula

(2,522 posts)
71. But why would you do that
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:59 PM
Oct 6

The press/media is doing a GOOD job at covering trump according to her.

moreland01

(834 posts)
79. In Colorado,
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:12 PM
Oct 6

ours are being mailed out starting October 14th. I cannot wait!!!!! One week from tomorrow. Whoooo Hoooooo!

Gaytano70

(1,207 posts)
3. Let's see if any of the other MSM picks this up and reports it.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:54 AM
Oct 6

I'm not holding my breath 🙄

Lovie777

(15,198 posts)
4. shithole was declining before the 2024 debate with Pres Biden........
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 07:54 AM
Oct 6

but the media trashed Pres Biden and hounded him to step aside 24/7 claiming him with mental decline.

Oh, what a tangled we web weave, when first we practice to deceive.

MiHale

(10,872 posts)
6. What happens if he completely melts down in a couple weeks...
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:03 AM
Oct 6

I’m talking about turning into a puddle of human brain waste…no recovery.

What happens? Does Vance automatically become the presidential candidate? Votes cast?…

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,200 posts)
9. I think ticket stays as is & then IF ticket wins
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:22 AM
Oct 6

On inaugural morning, Vance would be sworn in as VP semi-publicly, name a cabinet who would be sworn in temporarily, and then they would invoke 25th Amendment. Vance would then be sworn in as President and give his address.

I have no research or indications, but it seems logical to me based on how things have been done in the past with no specific precedents.

IF ... but I also think Harris will be #47, not a Republican.

markodochartaigh

(2,221 posts)
18. I think that they would keep Trump around
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:55 AM
Oct 6

like a show pony, making promotional appearances around the country while Vance and the maga power structure strip the US of everything of value and sell it for pennies on the dollar, or give it to various oiligarchs. And cause social chaos to keep the population divided and distracted so that we can be controlled.
As long as Trump only has to do 15 minutes at a time in highly controlled environments surrounded by true believers I think that he has a couple more years in him. After that, if they still need him to generate loyalty from the crowd, they could probably say that due to the assassination attempts and the general chaos he has to be kept behind closed doors. They could probably use AI for the occasional speech.
Inside of a decade they could probably stage an anointing by "Jesus" that would be accepted by a third of the population and keep Trump on indefinitely, the first hundred year old president.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,934 posts)
52. Celebrity spokesman. "Beano" comes to mind.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 11:41 AM
Oct 6

Ivanka can do the before with Goya. TSF can do the after with Beano. Covers both ends.

Mz Pip

(27,927 posts)
60. As long as he can be controlled
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:33 PM
Oct 6

the GOP needs him. At this point, they have nothing without Trump at the helm. So they’ll prop him up as long as they can, then, if he becomes uncontrollable, they’ll do the 25th Amendment. I do expect that to happen within a couple of years. Trump won’t be quietly demented like Reagan.

kimbutgar

(23,568 posts)
37. At the rate he's going I expect in him to implode in the next few weeks
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:28 AM
Oct 6

Saying something so outlandish that his supporters stay home and not vote.

MyOwnPeace

(17,280 posts)
54. NOT picking a fight........
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 12:26 PM
Oct 6

but SO many of us have been saying that/wishing that for the past 9 years - I for one am not counting on ANYTHING except the VOTE to rid him from our lives!
Here's hoping/wishing that he goes DOWN IN FLAMES!!!!!!

kimbutgar

(23,568 posts)
70. This time he is up against a candidate that will kick his ass and she has more money and a better ground game
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:42 PM
Oct 6

He can sent out mailers and have his rallies but where’s his get out the vote organization?

And VP Harris knows how to punch back hard. The convicted felon thought he’d have slow a Joe and now he’s got a quick on the punch back ex prosecutor and he has trouble punching back without saying childish things.

She is getting under his skin big time!

Retrograde

(10,716 posts)
86. Happened in 1872
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 11:19 PM
Oct 6

Horace Greeley, candidate for the Liberal Repbulican party (those are words you don't often see together anymore) died after election day but before the electors met. His few electoral votes were split among other candidates. It was largely moot since Grant won in a landslide.

It may depend on just when a candidate dies, but I'm not a constitutional scholar. If a candidate dies before election day, or before electoral votes are cast, can the party just designate a new candidate? Does it have to be someone already on the ticket, or are they free to choose any one they want - in which case we may see Junior and Eric slugging it out to see who steps into their father's shoes (remember Lara is the RNC chair - I don't expect her to leave that position without a fight). Does the VP candidate automatically step in and name a new VP? Will both houses have to approve this? Does it depend on who tips the Supreme Court the most?

I hope it'll be a moot point and the Dems will win handily in November

nuxvomica

(12,984 posts)
20. They should have all their thumbsuckers weigh in
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:23 AM
Oct 6

Like they did when they piled-on on Biden.

Martin Eden

(13,554 posts)
10. The LIES he needs his audience to believe have always been untethered from reality
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:28 AM
Oct 6

Considering how much shit he constantly makes up, can he really be expected to remember actual facts?

His viability as a candidate for president NEVER should have gotten this far. Jan 6 should have been immediately disqualifying.

Mainstream media like the NYT shoulders much of the blame.

Chili Pepper

(124 posts)
24. What LIES?
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:32 AM
Oct 6

According to the NYT, he’s just being “factually fantastical”.

Why can’t the media just call his statements what they are - LIES - plain and simple

Martin Eden

(13,554 posts)
46. The so-called "liberal media" bends over backwards to avoid the perception of bias
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 11:01 AM
Oct 6

And in the process they fail to accurately report the truth about Trump, normalizing what is dangerously abnormal.

mountain grammy

(27,365 posts)
11. Madman and getting worse
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:29 AM
Oct 6

now a raging lunatic..I can't even imagine him as president. We cannot allow it!

Botany

(72,639 posts)
12. The Panama Canal was built under nets. Now there is a new one.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:30 AM
Oct 6

And he heads off into rhetorical cul-de-sacs. “So we built a thing called the Panama Canal,” he told the conservative host Tucker Carlson last year. “We lost 35,000 people to the mosquito, you know, malaria. We lost 35,000 people building — we lost 35,000 people because of the mosquito. Vicious. They had to build under nets. It was one of the true great wonders of the world. As he said, ‘One of the nine wonders of the world.’ No, no, it was one of the seven. It just happened a little while ago. You know, he says, ‘Nine wonders of the world.’ You could make nine wonders. He would’ve been better off if he stuck with the nine and just said, ‘Yeah, I think it’s nine.’”



Although people did sleep under mosquito netting.

MyOwnPeace

(17,280 posts)
57. BIG NETS!!!!!
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:25 PM
Oct 6

"You know, the kind they have at those 3-story golf driving ranges. We got those because of our great leaders who first discovered them for that thing they call the Panarama Canal."

I'd love it if we could keep him around just to provide us with comic relief with his distorted 'American History.' However, we CANNOT allow him any closer to the White House than the Panama Canal is! Maybe he can start his 'stand-up' on the 'Tonight Show' when Johnny Carson returns!



markodochartaigh

(2,221 posts)
14. "In fact,
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:35 AM
Oct 6

it happens so often these days that it no longer even generates much attention."

That's like saying, "We leave the guns out, and the kids shoot up the neighborhood so often that we just don't pay attention anymore."

krkaufman

(13,755 posts)
16. One article
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:41 AM
Oct 6

I have little expectation of any followup or the continual focus (frenzy) shown towards Biden’s age.

Prairie Gates

(3,536 posts)
17. The upshot of this article is that Peter Baker thinks Trump is going to lose
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:43 AM
Oct 6

Last edited Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:18 AM - Edit history (1)

There's no way he would have bylined this article if he thought he needed access to Trump over the next four years.

not fooled

(6,108 posts)
55. One of the two automatic turn off-the-teevee when they come on
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:11 PM
Oct 6

MSNBC: Baker and Kasich.

There are more but those two come to mind now.



Prairie Gates

(3,536 posts)
66. Baker is an auto channel switch for me too
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:52 PM
Oct 6

So sick of his Trump-explainer condescending bullshit.

senseandsensibility

(20,392 posts)
67. Interesting perspective
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:02 PM
Oct 6

Unrelated, but I have noticed that his wife Susan Glasser has been much more fair in her commentary about Dems lately, and critical of cheato. They wrote a book on cheato together I believe, so maybe they both think he'll lose.

Pototan

(2,099 posts)
22. It helps now
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:27 AM
Oct 6

Remember, the Comey letter, which sunk the Clinton campaign in 2016, came out just 11 days before the election.

I think the timing on this issue may be just perfect this year.

I posted a similar article today from the Guardian. If other media outlets start carrying this message and demand Trump's medical records, his cognitive decline and age could become the most important issue leading into the vote counting day in November.

Pinback

(12,906 posts)
83. Agree
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:25 PM
Oct 6

— although Comey’s thumb on the scale had the imprimatur of the DOJ in a Democratic administration and therefore hit like a ton of bricks.

Still, this from the NYT in the final month of the campaign is significant and may have an effect, especially if contributes to the Trump-GOP Death Spiral narrative.

Farmer-Rick

(11,532 posts)
27. For his own good people need to stop voting for Trump
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:52 AM
Oct 6

For his own good he needs to drop out of the campaign. Allowing him to become the next President of the United States is elder abuse. The filthy-rich oligarchs need to find a new psychopath to use. This one is way too old and worn out.

Trump's obvious dementia is hidden by his psychopathy. Being mean, nasty and angry hides his severely declined mental abilities. Because his anger fuels his attacks and covers his dwindling brain function.

Here is what Trump is really like, and which the filthy-rich owners of the corporate media are hiding.

Trump's brain is "So foggy, in fact, that he forgot Mr. Setoodeh himself. After interviewing Mr. Trump in May 2021, Mr. Setoodeh returned in August. “When I said, ‘Do you remember sitting down with me?’ he said, ‘No, that was a long time ago,’” Mr. Setoodeh said. “It was like we started from square one. He started telling me the exact same stories. He didn’t remember what we had talked about. He didn’t remember me.”

That is Trump's dementia in a nutshell. This is how the very elderly with dementia behave. What's he going to tell world leaders then forget what he agreed to? Especially since we know he frequently meets with world leaders alone and there are no detailed notes of what transpired.

arlyellowdog

(1,429 posts)
29. I do actually know 1 racist voter who won't vote for Trump because he is embarrassing
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:56 AM
Oct 6

Many are oblivious to embarrassment, but I don’t see anyone being drawn to him who hasn’t already been sucked in. But it’s good to keep saying he’s senile. That’s how they got Biden.

Bev54

(11,935 posts)
30. "It happens so often it doesn't generate attention"
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 09:58 AM
Oct 6

NOT BY THE NY TIMES. More lack of insight

Martin68

(24,701 posts)
33. A vote for Trump is a vote for Vance, who will be president before the end of Trump's term.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:12 AM
Oct 6

Vance will implement an entirely different, and far more dangerous, agenda when he becomes president.

Silent Type

(7,297 posts)
38. Quick search under "NYT trump cognitive decline" yields articles in January 2024, June before Biden debate, even 2018.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:28 AM
Oct 6

Point is, this is not new. But the article is good.

PatrickforB

(15,125 posts)
39. Too little, too late. I cancelled my subscription a couple months ago because of their
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:32 AM
Oct 6

'Biden old, Biden old, Biden old' drumbeat.

Due to the legal doctrine of shareholder primacy, established through a MI Supreme Court ruling back in 1919 against Henry Ford in favor of the Dodge brothers, AND Reagan killing the Fairness Doctrine back in '87, the fiduciary responsibility of executives at these publicly traded 'news' organizations is ONLY to generate shareholder profits, with NOTHING...

I repeat NOTHING requiring them to report the truth...

virtually all of the reporting we get from ABC (Disney), CBS (Paramount), NBC (Comcast), NYT (Ochs-Sulzberger), CNN (Warner Brothers Discovery) is ALWAYS going to be BIASED in such a way as to generate and maximize shareholder PROFITS.

This is why we have a 'horserace' folks. It is better for PROFITS.

This is why Trump is being 'sanewashed'. It is better for PROFITS.

This is why all the lies he and Vance tell are being glossed over. Again better for PROFITS.

And finally, it is why X, Fox and other right-wing 'news' sources keep their audience is a complete bubble of conspiracy theories. Because they can (no Fairness Doctrine) and because it is good for PROFITS.

There are two major PROFIT centers here:
1. Ad revenue based on ratings, and
2. Campaign ads - due to Citizens United, we have THE most EXPENSIVE political campaigns in the world. Billions of dollars.

You want to change that?

One little rule-change in corporate governance - instead of the interests of shareholders being held above everything else, we could require an expansion of the fiduciary responsibility of media executives (and every other corporate officer in a publicly traded company) to consider the interests of workers, consumers (including truth in news reporting), and the environment EQUALLY with the interests of shareholders. A stakeholder approach to corporate governance.

If we had our members of Congress legislate that, as well as making the changes required in the Supreme Court so they are no longer so partisan, and if we ENFORCED this new rule of corporate governance, we would save the republic for years to come.

Oh, and let's not forget legislation that reverses the most recent Supreme Court rulings - Dobbs, the ruling against Chevron, and Citizens United.

Then the billionaire parasites would have to play their 'long game' again to undermine the republic. Heck, with any luck it would take them fifty or sixty years to get us to the stage we're at now - the verge of a fascist dictatorship.

Oh, I know it is wonky. And as an experiment, if you have read this far, please either 'rec' this post or reply. Most people won't, I know because policy is BORING. This is why we've been so thoroughly fucked by Wall Street and the billionaire parasites. You know that, right? Look at Project 2025. BOR-ING!!! But if they put it in place, our republic will be history.

peggysue2

(11,510 posts)
40. Late to the party as usual
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:36 AM
Oct 6

While everyone in the world has observed Trump's cognitive decline, the NYTs and Peter Baker pretends it wasn't obvious in comparison to Biden's frailty.

The former president has not been hobbled politically by his age as much as Mr. Biden was, in part because the incumbent comes across as physically frail while Mr. Trump still exudes energy.

Really? Or maybe it's because the NYTs wrote endless articles about Biden's physical frailty equating the physical with the cognitive and extending the Republican narrative/drumbeat.

Or Trump's vocabulary is at a 4th grade level.

A 2022 study by a pair of University of Montana scholars found that Mr. Trump’s speech complexity was significantly lower than that of the average president over American history. (So was Mr. Biden’s.) The Times analysis found that Mr. Trump speaks at a fourth-grade level, . . .

The parenthetical is a must because bothsiderism is a must in all things.

Then the quotes by Trump's inner circle denying the problem or if there is an admission it's about losing his fastball or edge or whatever.

So, yes the NYTs has finally admitted the obvious: Trump is a loon and has tipped into Never-Never Land.

My favorite line was Silence of the Lip. That was a bloop I hadn't heard before.

Overall? I stand by my subscription cancellation.



Pototan

(2,099 posts)
45. Not me. I have a subscription
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:53 AM
Oct 6

I may disagree with some of what they print (or don't print) but I know if they focus on an issue, they carry more weight than other print media.

bif

(24,222 posts)
56. I totally agree
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:21 PM
Oct 6

Especially love the Sunday edition! I think they tend to report both sides of issues. I think that's more important than being a biased news source.

Amaryllis

(9,830 posts)
43. So what happens if the breaking point is reached before the election? Do we get Vance? is there anything in the
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 10:47 AM
Oct 6

constitution that addresses if the presidential candidate is found unfit before the election? If that would even happen...

republianmushroom

(18,123 posts)
50. The convicted felons cognitive decline is getting a little hard to ignore,
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 11:33 AM
Oct 6

even for the news media. But no very little call for medical records.

dalton99a

(84,818 posts)
51. Deranged and demented criminal
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 11:37 AM
Oct 6
According to a computer analysis by The New York Times, Mr. Trump’s rally speeches now last an average of 82 minutes, compared with 45 minutes in 2016. Proportionately, he uses 13 percent more all-or-nothing terms like “always” and “never” than he did eight years ago, which some experts consider a sign of advancing age.

Similarly, he uses 32 percent more negative words than positive words now, compared with 21 percent in 2016, which can be another indicator of cognitive change. And he uses swearwords 69 percent more often than he did when he first ran, a trend that could reflect what experts call disinhibition. (A study by Stat, a health care news outlet, produced similar findings.)

Mr. Trump frequently reaches to the past for his frame of reference, often to the 1980s and 1990s, when he was in his tabloid-fueled heyday. He cites fictional characters from that era like Hannibal Lecter from “Silence of the Lip” (he meant “Silence of the Lambs”), asks “where’s Johnny Carson, bring back Johnny” (who died in 2005) and ruminates on how attractive Cary Grant was (“the most handsome man”). He asks supporters whether they remember the landing in New York of Charles Lindbergh, who actually landed in Paris and long before Mr. Trump was born.

He seems confused about modern technology, suggesting that “most people don’t have any idea what the hell a phone app is” in a country where 96 percent of people own a smartphone. If sometimes he seems stuck in the 1990s, there are moments when he pines for the 1890s, holding out that decade as the halcyon period of American history and William McKinley as his model president because of his support for tariffs.

Trueblue1968

(18,249 posts)
77. If i could ....... DonOLD would be locked up in the nut house or jail for rest of his life. No parole.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:46 PM
Oct 6

Shoonra

(567 posts)
61. Is this part of a Secret Vance Plan?
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:42 PM
Oct 6

I suspect that Vance is riding hard to get Trump and himself elected because of Trump's mental decline. Vance's secret plan: Once he's VP, the 25th Amendment will be invoked to declare Trump unable to discharge his duties properly, and thus make Vance the Acting President. So by re-electing Trump we are actually electing Vance to fill the Oval Office.

LetMyPeopleVote

(155,388 posts)
62. Fantastic headline from The Daily Beast on Donald Trump's cognitive decline!
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:43 PM
Oct 6

Other publications are covering this story



RidinWithHarris

(790 posts)
63. Until this becomes the framing and the narrative of every headline and article about Trump...
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 01:46 PM
Oct 6

...it's not enough.

usonian

(14,512 posts)
68. He won't last a year. "He gone". Vance is the nominee, in fact.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:14 PM
Oct 6

Maga nominees?

They're creepy and they're kooky,
Mysterious and spooky,
They're altogether ooky,
The maga nominees.

They've got a proposition
That's not of your volition
THE SPANISH INQUISITION
The maga nominees

[snap twice]
(Addicted)
[snap twice]
(Conflicted)
[snap twice]
(Convicted)

Oh, Donald!

You're gonna need a cohort
To sneak you through an airport
As agents seize your passport
When you decide to flee.

Rocknation

(44,885 posts)
73. Which have may have been the master plan all along
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 04:21 PM
Oct 6

The real question is, will Don Jr. become Vance's new running mate?


Rocknation

usonian

(14,512 posts)
75. I didn't say within THE year.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:16 PM
Oct 6

But I am saving up pennies to donate for a T---- memorial.

Celebration.

LearnedHand

(4,221 posts)
69. Oh this is rich:
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:28 PM
Oct 6
And it was hardly the only time Mr. Trump has seemed confused, forgetful, incoherent or disconnected from reality lately. In fact, it happens so often these days that it no longer even generates much attention.


Here let me fix that for you: "it no longer even generates much attention at the NYT, and we seldom wrote about it anyway."

Richard D

(9,423 posts)
74. It is way to obvious to me . . .
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:03 PM
Oct 6

. . . that they want to win the election on trump, then he will be retired and we will have president Vance.

Now i need a drink,

ShazamIam

(2,723 posts)
76. Ok finally but they didn't mention the anti-immigrant bigotry, the racism and misogyny nor the divisiveness of his
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 06:44 PM
Oct 6

"they," are trying to kill me and the Democratic are all evil and trying to destroy this nation.

Hstch05

(225 posts)
81. Did Kamala agree
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:01 PM
Oct 6

to a sit down interview with the Times? Apparently the fact that Biden didn't do one made the publisher so butthurt that they started focusing on the age issue more and more.

4lbs

(7,395 posts)
82. So, has Sulzberger gotten over his butt hurt about Kamala Harris not doing a specific
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 08:16 PM
Oct 6

sit-down with the NYT?

Aussie105

(6,447 posts)
87. Most people reach their intellectual peak at around the age of 25.
Mon Oct 7, 2024, 05:20 AM
Oct 7

After that, it is a slow decline to intellectual death, if not physical death.

How slow or fast is that decline?
Depends on genetics, your environment, your diet, how well you take care of yourself.

Being overweight and careless about diet and drugs plus a family history of going 'weird' just hastens things.

Most of us though, in our declining years, won't be aware of it. That is the sad thing.

But Trump - should have retired from public life about 20 years ago, before his mental disintegration became too obvious.
Alas, too many people found him a useful idiot. Or thought he was.

Response to Pototan (Original post)

D23MIURG23

(3,095 posts)
90. Something they can point to when it comes time to pretend they were on the right side of history.
Mon Oct 7, 2024, 06:03 AM
Oct 7

The NYTimes can fuck itself.

LetMyPeopleVote

(155,388 posts)
92. Deep dive probe into 9 years of Trump rallies reveals startling changes: NY Times
Mon Oct 7, 2024, 06:34 PM
Oct 7

TFG has been declining for some time. His speeches are now twice as long with a large amount of nonsense and material that does not make sense. The NYT has finally done an article on TFG's dementia and decline



https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-age-2669337188/

Donald Trump's speeches have grown noticeably darker and less coherent — and New York Times correspondent Peter Baker has tracked the changes using statistics.

The reporter conducted an analysis of the former president's rally speeches dating back to 2015 and found that they had nearly doubled in length, from 45 minutes eight years ago to 82 minutes now. And they show clear signs of advancing age and diminishing mental capacity.

"It's not new that Donald Trump is a discursive speaker, that he rambles, that he says things that are outrageous, that he says things that are untrue, that he seems to at times be disconnected from the norms, the standards that we are used to," Baker told MSNBC's Morning Joe.

"We see the speeches getting longer, more rambling," Baker added. "They're nearly twice as long today as they were in 2016. At the same time he's doing far fewer of them. Does that mean he's tired? We don't know. Obviously, we remember he nodded off during his hush money trial. He's doing less than one quarter of the rallies so far this year than he did in 2016, so I think it's appropriate to look at age."


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