The western weapons flow without interruption.
They don’t need visas

Nice try though.

And a European world driven by fear of uprisings - with original debt to France (for whooping their asses)not paid off until 1947 -

Is why Haiti is where it's at.

The COUNTRY needs global reparations for the indignities forced upon Winners. All debt forgiven and the UN needs to come up with a Marshall plan on par with all the freebies and giveaways Europe received post WW 2.

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The Marshall Plan occurred with thousands of US troops filling the power vacuum in Germany. I agree with the debt forgiveness...but all those freebies came with a bunch guys with guns and tanks and whatnot. US Marines cracking heads in PaP isn't good look but that is what it would take to deliver those goodies there.
They can't be delivered with armed gangs running around everywhere...see Somalia in the 90s. And US troops are usually not too welcome to stop it...also see Somalia in the 1990s.,

I'd rather the money and energy go to building up Haiti than loser heroin addict coal miners in Appalachia.

Haiti with the right alignment - can lift themselves up. They aren't weak. They come from tough people.

Align, reset, move forward. Those folks look like me - I can relate to them.

They are on our side of the world.

See Rwanda - 1990's.

Crazy how its sooooo hard when they are Europeans.

Also - See how the Germans and Russians behaved in the 1940's. Rape camps by Russians, death camps by Nazis.

They were absolutely reckless blood thirsty savages.

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edited to say I agree with you that more should have been done in Rwanda, but that's only because I think we could have done more with identifiable belligerents divided roughly into two sides with one of them committing basically all of the atrocities. You could actually do effective airstrikes there against semi-regular forces. Haiti is currently terrorized by all kinds of different roving bands of psychotic killers with splintered allegiances and a really easy time fading back into the population. It would require committing a large-scale act of brutal imperialism that required violently pacifying various neighborhoods block by block, disarming or killing all of those scattered armed lunatics. Lots of dead Haitian civilians, like now except we would be doing the killing.

their soldiers in the Sahel to protect their nature-despoiling uranium mines. 20m tons of radioactive waste was left in Mali, radon disseminating with the winds and poisoning the water: A perfect recruitment tool for Al Qaida in the Maghreb (AQIM).

Sources:

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/malis-journey-to-sustainable-safety-and-security-for-radioactive-sources

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/20m-tons-of-partially-radioactive-waste-litter-niger-foment-fear/2848133

and J Dunce Vance are piling on the poor Haitians in Ohio and Florida who made it to safety in the US.

Previous administrations didn't help the Haitian people either by propping up the Caribbean "Shah of Iran:" "Papa" Doc and then "Baby" Doc Duvalier, and their "SAVAK", otherwise known as the Tonton Macoutes. Before he died in 2014, "Baby" Doc Duvalier resided in Trump Tower when he was exiled.


Masked Tonton Macoutes patrolling a street in Haiti circa 1988.

Anarchy, gangs, and warlords took charge of both failed countries. But Haiti and Iran were propped up by the West. Papa Doc and the Shah lived in riches while their security services stamped out dissent. I can't recall if the last Somalian supremo was a satrap or if he lived and ate in luxury while his people suffered.

Either way, Haiti is a tragedy and an unintended consequence of the "Monroe Doctrine."

He started out as a Marxist but then switched sides in the Cold War after he and the Soviets backed different horses in Ethiopian politics... I think. The closest 20th C. African leader to the Duvalliers, imho, would be Idi Amin or Qaddafi. While not propped up by the West like the Duvaliers they come the closest stylistically. I think of the Duvalliers, Amin, Qaddafi and the Kim family as occupying a certain rarefied ego niche. If you have never seen the movie The Last King of Scotland - about Amin - I highly recommend it.

The most we can do to help Haiti, imho, is to have a compassionate asylum and immigration policy - and be willing to pour in economic resources when and if the security situation ever permits it. I don't think we should try to pacify the place with our own military. Maybe a more robust Caribbean or West African peace keeping force with US logistical and intelligence help?

NORTHCOM seems to be busy and Ottawa has stepped in a bit (as well as some Caribbean countries and Kenya). Haiti is going to take a long time to unass. USMC BG Smedley Butler may have been one of those turn-of-the-century pacifiers you mentioned. BTW: Haiti was once the dominant power on the island of Hispaniola. I saw maps of the border changes in the 19th century. DR was a lot smaller.

Barre rings a bell. I won't cheat and wiki it. And now I'm thinking of Blackhawk Down. My old buddy was 75th RR and that was his favorite movie. When he asked me what my favorite film was, I told him Benji.

The late James Earle Jones played Pullman porter Brutus Jones on stage circa 1970 (at the Eugene O'Neil Theater, of course).

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Haitian immigrants with republicans demonizing them every day. We simply cannot deport them to this horror.