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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEvery Falsehood, Exaggeration and Untruth in Trump's and Harris's Stump Speeches
Over an hour and 3 minutes, Mr. Trump made 64 statements that were false, inaccurate or lacking context.
Ms. Harris, in her 23-minute speech, made 6 statements that were false, inaccurate or lacking context.
23 False
Every poll had us up like 90, 92, 87. We had a, uh we actually had one, 92 to six, which sounds about right.
No reputable poll has Mr. Trump leading Ms. Harris 90 percent to 10 percent.
On the day he spoke, Sept. 13, Ms. Harris led by nearly three points in The New York Timess polling average.
IMMIGRATION
Im angry about Venezuelan gangs taking over Aurora, Colo.
A number of Venezuelan migrants, including some engaged in criminal activity, have taken up residence in dilapidated apartment buildings in Aurora, but they have not taken over the entire city.
Im angry about illegal Haitian migrants taking over Springfield, Ohio.
Thousands of Haitian migrants are residing in Springfield, but most are there legally.
And the Colorado governor is petrified. Hes scared. He doesnt know what to do. The Venezuelans are attacking my state, he said. The Venezuelans have big AK-47 Supremes. This is Supreme. Where the hell do they get these guns? Our soldiers cant get these guns. Theyre taking over our country from within, I mean, can you believe?
Gov. Jared Polis of Colorado has not said this. The Republican mayor of Aurora had said certain buildings not the city, much less the whole state had fallen to gangs, but he has since said suggestions that the city was unsafe were exaggerated.
She wants open borders
Ms. Harris had a more lenient approach to illegal immigration in 2019, but has taken a more aggressive stance since becoming vice president and since the start of this campaign. She supports increased border security and asylum restrictions if border crossings are too numerous.
But you see the arrow on the bottom, thats when I left office. Thats the lowest point in the history of our country for illegal immigrants to come in, but also drugs and everything else that was coming in bad. That point is the lowest.
Thats the lowest point in the history.
The arrow on the chart was actually pointing to a dip in early 2020, not during his last week in office. That low did not last, nor was it the lowest point in history.
ATTACKS ON HARRIS
She was the first one that failed. Out of all the candidates, I think they had 22.
Ms. Harriss exit from the 2020 primary race was preceded by a dozen other Democrats'.
It indicates that she is a communist comrade, because she is.
Shes a Marxist, communist, fascist person, which is Shes a fascist. Who the hell ever thought we'd be voting for a communist for president? She is. Look at her record.
Ms. Harriss campaign has said she is a capitalist. She has the support of many executives, and she has not proposed to seize the means of production.
Now Kamala is pushing the largest individual and small-business tax increase in American history.
Ms. Harris has proposed tax increases for the wealthy and large corporations, which would not amount to the largest ever. And she has promised to not raise taxes on anyone making under $400,000.
Kamala supports states being able to take minor children and perform sex-change operations on them without their parents consent.
Surgical procedures for minors receiving gender-affirming care require parental consent. Ms. Harris has not said she supports changing state laws.
Shes already talking about bringing back the draft. She wants to bring back the draft and draft your child and put them in a war that should never have happened.
Ms. Harris has not. The Trump campaign told PolitiFact he was referring to a Democratic senators proposal to require women to register for the draft; it would not restore the draft.
CRIME
I said that crime was up massively. I didnt want to go into the details. Whats the purpose? Crime was up massively.
Violent crime, after increasing during the coronavirus pandemic, has since declined and remains at a decades-low.
ECONOMY
They said they had 818,000 jobs, and it was a fraud.
In late August, the Labor Department corrected its jobs data from the 12 months that ended in March 2024, noting that there were 818,000 fewer jobs than previously reported. This was not "fraud," but rather a regular occurrence as statisticians reconcile different data sources.
Claimed that a correction to official jobs data came before the election only because of a whistle-blower, who said it was a total fraud.
There is no whistle-blower or leaker, nor did the Labor Department try to delay its numbers update until the end of the election. The agency announced in July that it would release its preliminary 12-month revision in August the same timeline it has followed in recent years. In August 2019, the agencys revision reported half a million fewer jobs.
Inflation makes everything bad anyway. They had the highest ever.
Inflation was higher in the 1970s and the 1980s.
The auto industry is moving to Mexico, its moving to China and its moving to other parts of the world, but not the United States.
Car markers have invested tens of billions of dollars for manufacturing expansions and new factories largely for electric vehicle and battery production in the United States under the Biden administration, The Wall Street Journal reported.
Chinas building two massive auto plants in Mexico now, and they think theyre going to build cars and put them into our country. Not going to happen. Its not going to happen. Theyve got authorization from Biden.
Mr. Biden has no control over Chinas decision to build auto factories in Mexico. Chinese companies are, in fact, taking advantage of a trade deal negotiated by Mr. Trump.
You know, the jobs, almost every single job, was taken by a migrant worker.
The number of native-born workers and foreign-born workers have both increased by millions under the Biden administration.
SOCIAL ISSUES
He even signed a law that allows abortion in the ninth month. He says abortion in the ninth month and babies to be executed after birth. And thats right. And its happened numerous times in the states and other states, too. There are radical left states that allow that. Nobody wants to talk about it, but they allow that, execution after birth.
Minnesota allows abortion at any stage of pregnancy. But abortion after birth is infanticide, which is illegal in Minnesota and every other state.
DOMESTIC POLICY
Gov. Lombardo has sent three letters to the Biden-Harris administration, asking them to open up some of this land to help alleviate the crisis. But Kamala and Crooked Joe did not even have the decency to reply to those requests.
In his latest letter requesting more federal land for housing development, Joe Lombardo, Nevadas Republican governor, acknowledged that the Bureau of Land Management responded to his letters on behalf of the Biden administration and that he has had productive meetings with the Interior Department. The administration also opened up public land in Nevada to build as many as 15,000 additional housing units.
They said they were going to cut the school lending. When you borrow money to go to school, they were going to cut it. They were going to cut it down to nothing. Guess what? A big thud. Never happened. It never happened. You know why? Because theyre all talk and no action.
The Biden administrations plans to eliminate student loan debt for millions of Americans have hit legal roadblocks, but the efforts have canceled the debt of 4.75 million people.
6 Lack Evidence
ATTACKS ON HARRIS
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Klarkashton
(2,283 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 6, 2024, 02:54 PM - Edit history (1)
He has done or threatened to do all of that shit.
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(1,049 posts)the article. I posted a link that gives FREE access to the rest of it.
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(1,049 posts)Heres a fact-check of their speeches from two rallies in September.
Trumps speech (64) Harriss speech (6)
1 False
HEALTH CARE
Remember, when he was president, he tried 60 times to end the Affordable Care Act.
This was a reference to the number of votes taken in Congress to change the health care law, including some repeal efforts but other minor changes and some supported by Democrats. The vast majority of those efforts preceded Mr. Trumps presidency. During his time in office, House Republicans took more than a dozen votes to change the health care law.
1 Misleading
HEALTH CARE
He intends to cut Social Security and Medicare.
Mr. Trump has said repeatedly during his 2024 presidential campaign that he would not cut Social Security or Medicare, though he had previously shown brief and vague support for such proposals.
1 Exaggerated
ECONOMY
In fact, independent economists like Goldman Sachs have said my plan would grow our economy and his plan would shrink the economy, reignite inflation, and send us into a recession by the middle of next year.
A Goldman Sachs analysis did show that a Harris victory, with Democrats controlling Congress, would result in a very slight boost to economic growth, while a Trump victory, regardless of what happens in Congress, would cause growth to slow in 2025. But Goldman's chief executive said a lot more has been made of this than should be, given the report showed a mere two-tenth of 1 percent difference between the scenarios.
3 Need Context
ECONOMY
And he wants to impose what I call the Trump sales tax on everyday basic necessities, which, as economists have reviewed, would cost the average family nearly $4,000 more a year.
Ms. Harris was referring to Mr. Trumps proposals to place a 10 to 20 percent tariff on most imports, and a 60 percent tariff on Chinese goods. She accurately cited one estimate of the cost. Other estimates are lower, while some are higher.
HEALTH CARE
On top of all of this, Donald Trump intends to end the Affordable Care Act.
Mr. Trump has made vague and contradictory statements about his health care plan, saying he would not terminate it but replace it only with something better and less expensive.
ATTACKS ON TRUMP
He who has vowed, if re-elected, he would be a dictator on Day One.
Ms. Harris was referring to comments Mr. Trump made on Fox News about being a dictator only on his first day in office. He later said he was joking.
On Sept. 26, a claim was added from Ms. Harris's speech.
Note: The length of Mr. Trumps speaking time and the transcript of his speech shown at the top do not include the time that Mr. Trump took to introduce guest speakers or the time that the guests spent speaking. The total duration of Mr. Trumps onstage appearance at the Las Vegas rally was one hour and 20 minutes.
Wiz Imp
(2,330 posts)Not sure how, but condensing this into a 1 minute TV ad would be great.