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Dennis Donovan

(27,266 posts)
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 10:28 AM Oct 12

Jeff Timmer: A "Red Mirage" creates a perfect storm for their chaos and violence they're ready to unleash

Jeff Timmer
There's a red mirage akin to 2022 happening. It's good for democracy that Trump and most Rs will lose. But it's actually the perfect storm for the chaos and violence they're ready to unleash. They think the race(s) are close and it will send them over the edge when it isn't. They'll see the results as proof of election fuckery and not the fact they are a sniveling, whining, insane, and stupid minority.
8:53 AM · Oct 12, 2024


My biggest anxiety of the election is the day after...



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Jeff Timmer: A "Red Mirage" creates a perfect storm for their chaos and violence they're ready to unleash (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Oct 12 OP
It was the plan all along... Think. Again. Oct 12 #1
For years and years especially because they saw the success moniss Oct 12 #30
Their whole plan is to claim it was "rigged" Quiet Em Oct 12 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 12 #5
I agree in principle, slightlv Oct 12 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 12 #37
I love the phrase I hear bandied about lately all the time... slightlv Oct 12 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 12 #47
The greater the victory the more he will claim it was rigged! robbob Oct 12 #6
2020 was the longest voting line I have ever been in. Quiet Em Oct 12 #7
Surreal krkaufman Oct 12 #29
He'll claim durablend Oct 12 #53
In their minds, the greater the margin, the greater the evidence that KPN Oct 12 #18
But this is the team that embraces the biggest liar who ever stepped up to a microphone. calimary Oct 12 #22
I expect violence will begin dweller Oct 12 #3
Exactly birdographer Oct 12 #9
Wow...some similarities but one slightlv Oct 12 #15
I never asked if I could put it in print side down birdographer Oct 12 #27
I'll hope for you, also! slightlv Oct 12 #33
Well that would be nice!! birdographer Oct 12 #42
That's what I figure I'm kinda up against here in my small KS town! slightlv Oct 12 #45
We were very lucky birdographer Oct 12 #49
I'm so glad for you and yours... slightlv Oct 12 #50
The simple answer is ask the person who gives you the ballot rather than waiting for the person at the machine. Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 12 #41
They are at opposite sides of a large room birdographer Oct 12 #43
Then when you go in, ask for the person in charge....THAT person will know pretty much everything. Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 12 #44
I do not understand how that is allowed. Akacia Oct 12 #17
We might have mail-in ballots birdographer Oct 12 #25
Wow! that really sucks. I just got my ballot and will be voting it today. Akacia Oct 12 #28
I thought our votes were secret. pdxflyboy Oct 12 #51
Birdographer pdxflyboy Oct 12 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 12 #4
Every day I see stories of Republicans, evangelicals, and other conservative groups... Blue Owl Oct 12 #8
Exactly. lees1975 Oct 12 #14
Welcome to alternate facts! Nt slightlv Oct 12 #16
Right? Beartracks Oct 12 #20
" A sniveling, whining, insane, and stupid minority......." AZ8theist Oct 12 #10
I agree - and this time, the fascist finks are organized peppertree Oct 12 #11
if they try that and get away with it johnnyfins Oct 12 #23
That's when you will see secession(s) Tansy_Gold Oct 12 #34
That's the best outcome. I don't want to be a part of a country that believes in making the Handmaid's Tale a reality DSandra Oct 12 #48
T win? "Despite the cheat", H win small? "Stolen by cheating", H win big? "Had to cheat tons to hide the steal" Bernardo de La Paz Oct 12 #12
Teetering on the brink Cirsium Oct 12 #19
"Tired of trump being the dumbest MFer on Earth" Cha Oct 12 #21
Once upon a time, we dismissed this shit as mere spoiled brats throwing another temper tantrum. calimary Oct 12 #24
either way we lose southmost Oct 12 #26
Absolutely not true. If we win the election we win and the criminals will have ColinC Oct 12 #32
not for awhile... FOREVER, B.See Oct 12 #39
I mean... been there done that ColinC Oct 12 #31
Precisely. 'Standing by' is B.See Oct 12 #40
we wouldn't have to deal... GiqueCee Oct 12 #35
If MAGAs pull this shit again then it is a terrorist coup against the US government. hadEnuf Oct 12 #36
Republicans aren't serious elected officials. They're chaos agents. Initech Oct 12 #38
When are all those useless fuckers going to get Raptured? Orrex Oct 12 #52

moniss

(6,116 posts)
30. For years and years especially because they saw the success
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:23 PM
Oct 12

of disruption and a friendly Supreme Court when they did the Brooks Brother's Riot in Florida.

Quiet Em

(1,178 posts)
2. Their whole plan is to claim it was "rigged"
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 10:31 AM
Oct 12

I hope the margins are high enough that it will end that bs immediately.

Response to Quiet Em (Reply #2)

Response to slightlv (Reply #13)

slightlv

(4,416 posts)
46. I love the phrase I hear bandied about lately all the time...
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 05:53 PM
Oct 12

"Red Mirage"... A Blue Tsunami against a red mirage! (go Blue!)

I'm a cynic, I'll admit. Some days (like today) I'm cautiously optimistic. Other days, my anxiety level hits fever pitches. Bush v Gore is always in the back of my mind, tho. It just floored me that SCOTUS stopped the counting, called for the case, and then seated a President all by themselves, extra-constitutionally. I never in a million years thought my country would do something so third-world!

Frankly, I think all the polling is skewed and sucks. They want to keep T's spirits up and try to keep his energy level high enough to get through the election. After that, they'll replace him post-haste with Vance. But I don't see that happening. Listening to some podcasts tonight, and doing some research, I downloaded by sample ballot, researched all the judgeships we have to vote on, filled out the sample ballot, and am in the process of making copies for hubby and grandson. Thankfully, we all vote the same, or they'd have to do their own research! We also decided to go ahead and vote early when it opens on the 16th or 17th, and be part of that huge early voting bloc that's getting counted now. At least I can go to the courthouse to vote and not the church if I do that!

Response to slightlv (Reply #46)

robbob

(3,642 posts)
6. The greater the victory the more he will claim it was rigged!
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 10:54 AM
Oct 12

Remember 2020? He went on and on about how he got more votes than anyone in history, and yet Biden, who “never left his basement” somehow got a lot more. It’s that stupid MAGA logic that works on the brain dead. It doesn’t occur to them that tRump is one of the most hated figures in America, of course record numbers came out to vote against him. Or how some close races turned on the mail in voting, which of course everyone knew it could; mail in voting predominantly skews Democratic Party. But in Trumpland that just proves mail-in voting must be rigged.

No use arguing with idiots…🙄

Quiet Em

(1,178 posts)
7. 2020 was the longest voting line I have ever been in.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 10:56 AM
Oct 12

All of us wearing our masks, determined to vote and get rid of the con man.

krkaufman

(13,756 posts)
29. Surreal
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:18 PM
Oct 12

It remains surreal to me that such long voting lines are allowed, that there isn’t some law to ensure equal access to the polls … or that existing laws aren’t properly interpreted to enforce such laws.

24 years post-Bush v. Gore, the unequal access is clearly intentional, just one mechanism of voter suppression.

durablend

(8,014 posts)
53. He'll claim
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 07:59 PM
Oct 12

"There were no signs for her! My beautiful signs were EVERYWHERE!! Who voted for her? Nobody! Clearly they CHEATED!!!!!"

KPN

(16,160 posts)
18. In their minds, the greater the margin, the greater the evidence that
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:46 PM
Oct 12

the election was rigged. They have already been conditioned to respond in this way. Whatever the margin is, if they lose it was rigged. Hell, they still feel that way about 2020.

calimary

(84,575 posts)
22. But this is the team that embraces the biggest liar who ever stepped up to a microphone.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:53 PM
Oct 12

The donald actually makes Richard Nixon look like a saint.

birdographer

(2,528 posts)
9. Exactly
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:02 PM
Oct 12

Early voting starts here on the 17th. We will be there on the 18th. I think the closer it gets to the election, the more armed MAGAts there will be at the voting place. I have noticed every time we have voted since 2016, there is a woman, same woman, stands at the machine where you insert your paper ballot, print side up. She is at the window facing the parking lot. She blatantly looks at everyone's ballot when they insert it, it's very simple to see which circle is filled at the top of the ballot. Sounding ridiculously paranoid, I can easily see her making a gesture every time (yeah...here that would be maybe fifteen times in total) a Harris vote hits the machine, and her MAGAt cohorts then know the next person coming out the door voted blue. Not comfortable with her knowing who I voted for.

slightlv

(4,416 posts)
15. Wow...some similarities but one
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:28 PM
Oct 12

Big difference. I'm assuming you're not voting on electronic machine? I like filling in my circles. But the lady where I feed my ballot into the machine always tells everyone it can go print side up or down, and she stands a comfortable distance away... social distancing+

birdographer

(2,528 posts)
27. I never asked if I could put it in print side down
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:07 PM
Oct 12

I assumed the scanner was at the top and somehow had to see it. This time will be different. First, I will ask if I can put it print-side down. I'd bet money she'll say no. I had been thinking that I would say that my vote was private, would she mind looking out the window? I also considered grabbing one of the many brochures I am sure they have in the building (community center), taking it in with me, and holding it over the top of my ballot when I line it up to get sucked up. I don't care if she knows my down-ballot votes.

She was kind of old in 2016 and has gotten older. Maybe I will get there and it will be a guy who stares out the window when people put their ballots in. Hope springs eternal.

slightlv

(4,416 posts)
33. I'll hope for you, also!
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:28 PM
Oct 12

I'd forgotten til just now, but all our ballots (electronic and not) are handed to us in a folder, and the ballot is kept in the folder, even as we get to the reader. In fact, I was told to just keep the top inch sticking out and the machine would feed the rest of it automatically. I'm in a really small town, in a fairly small county... and I've got RED all around me. That may make the difference for my polling place. I just hate that no matter how many times I get gerrymandered, they still put all the democrats polling places in church basements! I still think they think they're going to convert us or something! (LOL)

birdographer

(2,528 posts)
42. Well that would be nice!!
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 04:16 PM
Oct 12

So far we just get a piece of paper. We are extremely red here in this small WNC town, only a handful of Democrats--the assumption is no doubt that you are voting for trump so who cares who sees?

slightlv

(4,416 posts)
45. That's what I figure I'm kinda up against here in my small KS town!
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 05:47 PM
Oct 12

Did you come thru Helene okay? Had no idea you were over there! Good energies coming your direction!

birdographer

(2,528 posts)
49. We were very lucky
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 07:16 PM
Oct 12

We are a little over an hour from Asheville, and yet all we had was a night of constant light rain, and power outage for two days. It is so horrible what happened over there, I know all the places hit. I go there for mini-getaways now and then, just a chance to read and shop. Thanks for asking.

It sounds like we have the same voting problem...

slightlv

(4,416 posts)
50. I'm so glad for you and yours...
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 07:48 PM
Oct 12

it's been horrible watching the damage of Helene and then Milton... and then having to dig out from the dirt and crap T is shoveling to get help to people who need it so bad. I've been in a couple of tornados... right up the old "tornado alley"... and while I love wind, I have a very healthy respect for it! Keep on Truckin', bird... we'll ride that blue tsunami right over their red mirage!

Jmb 4 Harris-Walz

(1,049 posts)
41. The simple answer is ask the person who gives you the ballot rather than waiting for the person at the machine.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 03:38 PM
Oct 12

birdographer

(2,528 posts)
43. They are at opposite sides of a large room
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 04:18 PM
Oct 12

You go in one door, get the ballot, cross to one of many booths, then at the opposite side is the machine and the exit door. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

Jmb 4 Harris-Walz

(1,049 posts)
44. Then when you go in, ask for the person in charge....THAT person will know pretty much everything.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 04:38 PM
Oct 12

I wouldn’t let someone look at my ballot! If it came down to it, I’d step into her space and put my body between the machine and her and put my ballot in quick. There’s no reason for ANYONE to be so close to the machine that he/she can spy your elections.

Akacia

(635 posts)
17. I do not understand how that is allowed.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:43 PM
Oct 12

Can you complain to someone who can move her back or something? Just very concerning and we have the right to not be intimidated when we vote a secret ballot. Very disturbing so happy I live in a state with mail in ballots.

birdographer

(2,528 posts)
25. We might have mail-in ballots
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:02 PM
Oct 12

But I trust our PO far, FAR less than I trust the woman at the machine! For example, I have received many pro-trump mailings over the past month or so. I have not received a single Harris mailing at all. I know, that's the carrier tossing them out and not the PO, however we also have a major jerk managing our PO. Mail is stolen, mail never arrives, he lied to my face about not being able to drive 1/10 of a mile up our road to deliver oversized packages...I'll take the woman over mail!

Akacia

(635 posts)
28. Wow! that really sucks. I just got my ballot and will be voting it today.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:15 PM
Oct 12

I have some reading to do because there are a few initiatives I know little about so I want to dig deeper and then vote. Other than that blue all the way. I am happy to live in a blue state but we do have a few crazies here trying to cause trouble, but they are usually stopped quickly. I am concerned for people living in other areas of the country though.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

Blue Owl

(54,893 posts)
8. Every day I see stories of Republicans, evangelicals, and other conservative groups...
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 11:48 AM
Oct 12

…turning away from tRump and shifting to Harris. Yet the race keeps tightening. Both things can’t be happening at the same time…..

lees1975

(6,090 posts)
14. Exactly.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:23 PM
Oct 12

The number of former Trump administration officials who are supporting Harris is high enough to indicate bad things ahead November 5th for the orange headed buffoon.

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
11. I agree - and this time, the fascist finks are organized
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:07 PM
Oct 12

We won't know who our next president will be until December 17th - if then!

Because their strategy is to throw the election to the House - where, thanks to our medieval laws in that regard (one vote per state - no matter the population) - Repugs would be sure to win.

The only real question is, will they pull that off?

johnnyfins

(1,470 posts)
23. if they try that and get away with it
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:53 PM
Oct 12

This country will explode. People WILL NOT stand for that type of fuckery.

Tansy_Gold

(18,058 posts)
34. That's when you will see secession(s)
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:40 PM
Oct 12

I've posted before and will do so again:

United States of Pacifica: Washington, Oregon, California, Hawaii.
United States of Atlantica: Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Washington DC, Virginia
United States of Southern Canada: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan
Republic of Texas
The New Confederacy: North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas. Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia
Florida
Deseret: Montana, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico
The Prairie Union: North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma
Alaska will be annexed as a Canadian Territory.
Unaffiliated Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania will be the scenes of bitter fighting as urban centers attempt to control larger rural territories.

Existing "state" boundaries will change, urban corridors will break off, new states will form. The old USA will be no more. We could see it in our lifetime. . . . and I'm in my 70s.

DSandra

(1,286 posts)
48. That's the best outcome. I don't want to be a part of a country that believes in making the Handmaid's Tale a reality
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 06:45 PM
Oct 12

I just hope Democratic Party leaders will have the guts to do it. It's either that or prison / torture / exile for them if Trump gets the presidency.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,202 posts)
12. T win? "Despite the cheat", H win small? "Stolen by cheating", H win big? "Had to cheat tons to hide the steal"
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:20 PM
Oct 12

It's already bubbling in toxic cauldrons like the FReak site.

If tRump wins, they'll say "It really was a landslide but that there was almost enough cheating for the commies to steal it".

If Harris wins by a small EC amount, they'll say "The commies totally stole it by cheating".

If Harris wins big in the EC, they'll say "There was massive cheating; the commies had to make it so large to hide the steal".

Cirsium

(1,121 posts)
19. Teetering on the brink
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:52 PM
Oct 12

I think we are teetering on the brink of catastrophe. The opposition has signaled very clearly that they are not going to accept the results of the election, and that they are going to do everything they can to interfere with and disrupt the process. It is all being couched in apocalyptic terms.

calimary

(84,575 posts)
24. Once upon a time, we dismissed this shit as mere spoiled brats throwing another temper tantrum.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 12:57 PM
Oct 12

Well, I guess they grew up...

ColinC

(10,917 posts)
32. Absolutely not true. If we win the election we win and the criminals will have
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:26 PM
Oct 12

Justice fall down on them like a hundred bricks -if they are stupid enough to try to violently and illegally contest the election again. If we lose though? Well: That's all she wrote for a while…

B.See

(3,809 posts)
39. not for awhile... FOREVER,
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 03:27 PM
Oct 12

at least as far as any of the current generators are concerned.

ColinC

(10,917 posts)
31. I mean... been there done that
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:23 PM
Oct 12

Winning is what’s important. Can’t worry about what comes after until it comes.

GiqueCee

(1,488 posts)
35. we wouldn't have to deal...
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:44 PM
Oct 12

... with Trump's psychotic behavior if it was illegal for a convicted felon to run for office. The fact that it isn't strains credulity. I mean, what the actual fuck?

I suggest that Democrats make that law, and then watch Republicans twist themselves into pretzels as they try to justify opposing the bill.

Then it's buh-bye to the Electoral College, which was a racist pile of shit the day it was written. It should have been burned at the stake the day the Emancipation Proclamation dropped. No more slavery? Good. Then there's no reason for the EC's existence. Apart from the fact that manipulating it is the only way that Republicans can win the presidency, with a few exceptions.

And as long as we're on a roll, let's exterminate Civil Asset Forfeiture, which is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment. Totally innocent people are subjected to highway robbery by crooked cops, of which there are FAR too many. No charges are brought, no court appearances, and it's all but impossible for victims to recover what was stolen from them... by cops. I repeat: What the actual fuck?

hadEnuf

(2,778 posts)
36. If MAGAs pull this shit again then it is a terrorist coup against the US government.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 01:47 PM
Oct 12

Respond and treat it as such. Bullshit claims of a spontaneous "riot" or "tourists" should get no merit or considerations. Every single court in the country threw these insane claims out and they will again. Enough is enough of entertaining this complete ludicrous nonsense.

Put these violent fascists down and then get a fucking AG that will put and end to this nightmare.

Initech

(102,471 posts)
38. Republicans aren't serious elected officials. They're chaos agents.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 03:06 PM
Oct 12

And they've become self-aware chaos agents under the control of Trump and his fucking stupid news network megaphone. I swear we need to have a serious conversation about the damage that Fox News is doing to this country. It's frightening.

Orrex

(64,284 posts)
52. When are all those useless fuckers going to get Raptured?
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 07:58 PM
Oct 12

I mean seriously. WTF are they waiting for? There is no down side.

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