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hay rick

(8,129 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 11:14 AM Sunday

Florida is environmentally unsustainable.

Last edited Sun Oct 13, 2024, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)



People flock to Florida as tourists and as retirees relocating from colder, higher-taxing states. Governor DeSantis crows about Florida's growth rate as vindication of his libertarian, authoritarian "freedom" agenda. Politically, Florida is built on the idea that growth is good.

Unfortunately, all living systems encounter limits to growth when the conditions necessary to sustain that growth change. The state of Florida is itself a living system defined by geographical boundaries and operating under its own set of laws. In Florida, the most important growth-limiting change is the one that the governor is trying to banish from our vocabulary- climate change.

The Sunshine State has no effective defense to the inevitable increase in more frequent, powerful, and damaging storms associated with Earth's warming oceans. The only realistic options are mitigation with no-growth policies or even promoting net emigration. Florida needs to slow down or stop adding to the existing housing stock. More people means more pavement and less natural land to absorb excess runoff. Florida should discourage the rebuilding of expensive coastal properties that are also the most vulnerable to storms and storm surges. Flat, low-lying Florida is the proverbial frog in the slowly boiling pot of global warming. Rising seas will relentlessly reduce the amount of available habitable land. Saltwater intrusion and the current unsustainable level of withdrawals from fresh water aquifers will create potable water issues even as rivers of storm water rush to the sea, overwhelming drainage systems designed for a smaller population and a more hospitable climate.

The parrot in Florida's figurative fossil fuel mine is the homeowner’s insurance industry. Floridian homeowners' insurance is already the highest in the country, quadrupling the rates found in some other states. It's going to go up again. A big part of the problem is the need for reinsurance- support from the insurers of last resort. Those financial institutions are dominated by the Swiss. The Swiss can look out their windows and see rapidly melting glaciers. When it comes to climate change and global warming, they believe.

Promoting rapid growth when the existing infrastructure is already deteriorating and inadequate to serve the needs of the current population is foolhardy and irresponsible.
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Florida is environmentally unsustainable. (Original Post) hay rick Sunday OP
Very true. Nature will always have the last word, and denial of the truth will not protect us forever. Timeflyer Sunday #1
They're All Libertarians Deep State Witch Sunday #2
My wife and I have been rethinking Florida as a vacation destination Poiuyt Sunday #3
I spent my teenage years in FL. Not inclined to go back. eppur_se_muova Sunday #4
Parrot, not canary? BWdem4life Sunday #5
The canaries are busy in the coal mines. hay rick Sunday #11
Its kind of boring actually. milestogo Sunday #6
If you like hiking or kayaking, Florida is a fabulous destination. It has a wonderful park system. hay rick Sunday #12
Personally DeepWinter Sunday #7
But our local government is nothing like FLA senseandsensibility Sunday #8
Yep DeepWinter Sunday #9
Would you say the same about southern California? former9thward Sunday #10
Southern California has its problems, but being totally submerged by 10 feet of sea level rise isn't one of them. hay rick Sunday #13
No scientist says FL is going to be totally submerged by 10 feet of sea level rise. former9thward Sunday #14
Not to mention forest fires and earthquakes EX500rider Sunday #15
I worked as a seasonal fire fighter in Southern California in the 60s. hay rick Sunday #18
LOL. I was told you couldn't fact check me on DU. hay rick Sunday #17
Or New Jersey or North Carolina. Jk23 Sunday #19
So is Texas. I've been blockwalking and it's too hot. Usually it's in the 80's. LeftInTX Sunday #16

Poiuyt

(18,245 posts)
3. My wife and I have been rethinking Florida as a vacation destination
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:10 PM
Sunday

The hurricanes have decimated Florida, and then they get walloped again before they have a chance to rebuild and for the vegetation to regrow. We used to like to go to Sanibel to escape Wisconsin winters, but it's not like it used to be a few years ago. I'm afraid that hurricane devastation is the new norm for the state. We can't count on it as a destination.

eppur_se_muova

(37,171 posts)
4. I spent my teenage years in FL. Not inclined to go back.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:26 PM
Sunday

It's all built on sand, literally and figuratively.

milestogo

(17,209 posts)
6. Its kind of boring actually.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 02:33 PM
Sunday

I've only been there when my remote employer was headquartered in Tampa. Beautiful beach in Clearwater. But aren't all beaches the same? Except some have more drunk college students than others. I always thought of it as a vacation paradise for people who want to do nothing on their vacations except get a tan and get drunk.

Might be fine for some people. Its just not my thing.

hay rick

(8,129 posts)
12. If you like hiking or kayaking, Florida is a fabulous destination. It has a wonderful park system.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:09 PM
Sunday

My last trip to the beach, which is less than 15 minutes from my house, was for an environmental demonstration.

DeepWinter

(318 posts)
9. Yep
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 03:25 PM
Sunday

Location, location, location. I get a little weary of the hate on certain red areas, forgetting there are nice enclaves within them. Tunnel vision.

hay rick

(8,129 posts)
13. Southern California has its problems, but being totally submerged by 10 feet of sea level rise isn't one of them.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:13 PM
Sunday

I lived in San Diego County for a couple of years in the late 60s. I miss it

former9thward

(33,303 posts)
14. No scientist says FL is going to be totally submerged by 10 feet of sea level rise.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:44 PM
Sunday

S. California has a problem with an enormous population and very little water.

hay rick

(8,129 posts)
18. I worked as a seasonal fire fighter in Southern California in the 60s.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:14 PM
Sunday

Two seasons, actually. The largest fire I went to was 400 acres. I never got to a really big fire. The big fires in those years would be marshmallow roasts by the gargantuan standards of today's fires.

I was also nervous about the San Andreas fault. Still waiting on that one.

Jk23

(258 posts)
19. Or New Jersey or North Carolina.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:35 PM
Sunday

More people died in Brooklyn basements from flooding than died on the coast during this storm from storm surge.

LeftInTX

(29,529 posts)
16. So is Texas. I've been blockwalking and it's too hot. Usually it's in the 80's.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:41 PM
Sunday

I waited for it to cool and it never happened. 95 today.

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