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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA serious question about Kim Jong Don's "Radical Left May Need To Be Handled By The Military" bullshit
CONTEXT, although i am sure you've seen it:
Rather than focus on real threats from foreign militants, Trump told Bartiromo that he was far more concerned with left-wing Americans in regard to Election Day.
I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people who are destroying our country ... I dont think theyre the problem in terms of Election Day, the Republican presidential nominee said. I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people, we have some sick people, radical left lunatics.
And it should be easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, he continued. Because they cant let that happen.
SO...the QUESTION (or rather questions, plural):
1). Let's say Trump LOSES. Red states REFUSE to certify the election results, it goes to the House, Republicans "install" Trump
2). Let's say Trump LOSES. The emboldened MAGAt (formerly "Supreme" ) court gets giddy and goes for Bush v Gore II, "installing" Trump
3). American voters are actually fucking IGNORANT ENOUGH to re-elect him, which removes the need for #1 or #2 above
WILL AMERICA JUST SIT PASSIVELY STILL FOR ALL OF THIS? WILL AMERICA JUST SHRUG ITS SHOULDERS and say "Well, the fuhrer is in charge, nothing we can do about it?"
The fact that polls (if you believe them at all) STILL show Harris & Trump in a "statistical dead heat" should be concerning to everyone reading this (and I'm sure that's true). But Republicans are working overtime to get what started on 1/6/21 across the finish line this time. What do you think will happen if they pull it off?
Dennis Donovan
(23,840 posts)If he's ordering troops around via his hand-picked generals, how far can he go?
We've got a world of shit on our hands with this election. Be prepared for anything.
underpants
(185,878 posts)even the next day in the horrific chance he wins. Its 75 days or something like that between Election Day and Inauguration Day. Unless hes planning on moving in that night
.which frankly wouldnt surprise me.
Sounds like hes calling on Governor's, dying to outdo each other, to act up even just one as a show of force. It will be televised.
MomInTheCrowd
(313 posts)-misanthroptimist
(1,108 posts)And how do I join?
underpants
(185,878 posts)magicarpet
(16,031 posts)And djt held the throne until January 21, 2021.
This time around Biden holds the Office of the US Presidency until January 21, 2025.
Thanks to the USSC - Biden now has powers of immunity to circumvent any criminality to assure the smooth transition of presidential authority to the rightful winner of that office.
Hopefully Biden will not be shy to use his powers as president to achieve continuity of government to the rightful winner of the 2024 election.
If Biden has any indication djt lost the election,... Biden will move heaven and earth to see Kamala Harris is seated as president.
In 2020 djt had the power to stop or gum up the peaceful transition of office. In 2024 that power is in Biden's hands - if he has the will to use it.
Biden is a stalwart defender of America Democracy and he finds djt's antics revolting, repugnant, and abhorrent. I do not see Biden allowing djt's pulling any fast ones or stealing the Oval Office this coming election.
Fiendish Thingy
(17,780 posts)Scenario #1: states refusing to certify results cannot throw the election to the house; if a state doesnt send a slate of electors (which is unconstitutional), the total number of duly appointed electors is reduced , which in turn reduces the number needed to win the presidency to below 270 . If red states refuse to certify, this would work in Harris favor.
For more information on this, and the Electoral Count Reform Act (which no pundit is talking about, but will almost certainly be invoked and tested this year) which governs this and other issues, read this thread:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219556936
Scenario #2: SCOTUS cannot simply install Trump; once congress convenes in a joint session on January 6, the court has no role or authority over that process due to the separation of powers, and congress will open and count the EVs and certify the winner, who will be sworn in regardless of what the court says. For more information on how the ECRA has changed the January 6 process, see the link above.
Certainly, SCOTUS could get involved before January 6 and impact the outcome of close races in swing states, but the ECRA dictates the role of the courts in that case (see link for more info). Also, remember, this very same SCOTUS (minus KBJ) had 60 opportunities in 2020 where they could have used one of the flimsy cases presented by Trumps nutty lawyers as a contrived pretext to install Trump, but (with the exception of Clarences dissent) they chose not to.
Scenario #3: is really the only realistic possibility, and a slim one since Harris has a far superior ground game compared to Trump.
Polling averages cannot be trusted because of manipulation by Red Wave pollsters, but IMO its been clear for some time that Harris will handily win the popular vote, but winning the EC will come down to very narrow margins in swing states.
Miles Archer
(18,921 posts)...largely because the media has presented it as I did (a straight line between 2 points, with Republican electors "installing" Trump).
Thanks for the clarification.
usonian
(12,957 posts)Clue from "Wheel"