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OAITW r.2.0

(27,832 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 07:50 PM Sunday

Seems to me the the Palestine/Gaza protestors ought to be thinking about how their

protests over the next 3 weeks will impact with voters. Maybe a moratorium should be declared?

Case in point - Fox22, Bangor, Me put a promo on at the end of the Detroit-Dallas game on their news coverages of protests in Bangor today. JFC, I hate single issue protest events that Fox will happily use to find and frame an anti-Democratic angle to broadcast.

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Seems to me the the Palestine/Gaza protestors ought to be thinking about how their (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 Sunday OP
If trump wins Michigan because of this stupidity, they will be paying a far higher price then they can imagine. JohnSJ Sunday #1
Fuck them, if trump wins Michigan because of their stupidity bottomofthehill Sunday #2
You can't deport someone if they are citizens. However, trump is campaigning that he will use the military JohnSJ Sunday #3
You can do worse than deporting kansasobama Sunday #5
Not if they are citizens. JohnSJ Sunday #6
That worked real well for Japanese American CITIZENS in 1942. namahage Monday #20
utter nonsense! stopdiggin Sunday #12
A little thing like US Citizenship didn't stop us in 1954. Operation Wetback. Maru Kitteh Sunday #9
quite illegally (as the courts found) -(nt)- stopdiggin Sunday #13
So you claim, but provide no citation. Please show me where Operation Wetback was Maru Kitteh Monday #16
'Dictator on Day One' Trump could do anything NickB79 Monday #22
My question to them is: What result do you think Netanyahu and Likud are hoping for in November's election? Mister Ed Sunday #4
Exactly. OAITW r.2.0 Sunday #7
But that's exactly the point see, to deny Harris. It's THE GOAL Maru Kitteh Sunday #8
The green party has no reps in congress or anywhere Klarkashton Sunday #10
Did she add "and, then, we get to help Trump get elected and Jared will clean up the mess, too!" OAITW r.2.0 Sunday #11
Someone push LGBT leftists to stand up to their own community... DSandra Sunday #14
Maybe there can be specially-constructed areas for them to use Rob H. Monday #15
What is to be gained by lying about VP Harris? namahage Monday #21
What's there to be gained by pretending Rob H. Monday #23
As a matter of interest, did the coverage include them saying "don't vote Democratic"? muriel_volestrangler Monday #17
The far right and the far left bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas Monday #18
Trump plans to set back the Palestine/Gaza protestors "25 to 30 years" DSandra Monday #19

JohnSJ

(95,452 posts)
1. If trump wins Michigan because of this stupidity, they will be paying a far higher price then they can imagine.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 07:52 PM
Sunday

Trump is campaigning on using the military on civilians that disagree with him.


bottomofthehill

(8,724 posts)
2. Fuck them, if trump wins Michigan because of their stupidity
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 07:55 PM
Sunday

I won’t care if he deports them. The math on this is simple. The problem is also somewhat simple. Give back the hostages, renounce violence and try to help the rebuild process.

JohnSJ

(95,452 posts)
3. You can't deport someone if they are citizens. However, trump is campaigning that he will use the military
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:02 PM
Sunday

against those who disagree with him, and people should take him seriously.

For your other point, sure, but hamas, hezbolah, etc. have made it clear they want to destroy Israel, and kill Jews. There is no ambiguity there.

October 7 would not have happened if they wanted to renounce violence, and they would not have taken hostages, raped, tortured, and killed civilians.

kansasobama

(1,378 posts)
5. You can do worse than deporting
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:54 PM
Sunday

He can send them to Gitmo and claim that all protesters are Hamas. Oh yes, he can. He is immune. Rashida is so stupid.

namahage

(1,160 posts)
20. That worked real well for Japanese American CITIZENS in 1942.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:30 PM
Monday
https://www.salon.com/2024/10/11/theyre-animals-vows-mass-deportation-under-law-used-to-justify-japanese-internment-camps/

The Alien and Sedition Acts grant widespread powers to the president during wartime and were famously used to justify the internment of Japanese-Americans in World War 2.

The theme of migrants and mass deportation ran throughout Trump's speech. He said that immigrants to the United States are "the worst criminals in the world" and "the most violent people on Earth." Later in his speech, he said that Haitian-American immigrants in Springfield would have to be deported to Haiti in spite of their legal status.
(emphasis added)

stopdiggin

(12,570 posts)
12. utter nonsense!
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:25 PM
Sunday

I know emotions are running high - but your claims are ridiculous, AND illogical (in that anyone not voting for Harris, particularly in a swing state, is de facto a Trump ally) Come back to earth, friend.

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Maru Kitteh

(28,849 posts)
9. A little thing like US Citizenship didn't stop us in 1954. Operation Wetback.
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:20 PM
Sunday

Operation Wetback was an immigration law enforcement initiative created by Joseph Swing, a retired United States Army lieutenant general and head of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). The program was implemented in June 1954 by U.S. Attorney General Herbert Brownell.[1] The short-lived operation used military-style tactics to remove Mexican immigrants—some of them American citizens—from the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback#

Maru Kitteh

(28,849 posts)
16. So you claim, but provide no citation. Please show me where Operation Wetback was
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 01:57 PM
Monday

found to be "quite illegal," as you state.

See also this Supreme Court and Presidential Immunity.

NickB79

(19,537 posts)
22. 'Dictator on Day One' Trump could do anything
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:41 PM
Monday

No one should feel protected by their Constitutional rights if Trump gets back into office.

Mister Ed

(6,308 posts)
4. My question to them is: What result do you think Netanyahu and Likud are hoping for in November's election?
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 08:54 PM
Sunday

The answer, of course, is that Netanyahu and Likud want the Republicans to take control of the Oval Office and Congress.

There are three weeks left in which to deny the hard-line Isreali warhawks their desired result. Once their electoral goal has been thwarted, then it's time for all who are horrified by the killing in Gaza to apply maximum pressure to our newly-elected political leaders.

Maru Kitteh

(28,849 posts)
8. But that's exactly the point see, to deny Harris. It's THE GOAL
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 09:07 PM
Sunday
https://www.everythingishorrible.net/p/the-greens-want-to-harm-their-enemies

“We are not in a position to win the white house,” Green Party surrogate Kshama Sawant declared on Monday, “but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic. We could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan. [The crowd cheers.] And the polls show that most likely Harris cannot win the election without Michigan.”


Taken from this earlier DU post https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19556072

DSandra

(1,160 posts)
14. Someone push LGBT leftists to stand up to their own community...
Sun Oct 13, 2024, 10:39 PM
Sunday

and talk some sense to their fellow cis-leftists.

Rob H.

(5,529 posts)
15. Maybe there can be specially-constructed areas for them to use
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:12 AM
Monday

They could be assembled using, I dunno, portable fencing and located out of sight and earshot from any campaign venues. As long as they're constructed next to a street it would even be possible to do something like park buses in front of them to make sure they're out of sight! They'd need a catchy name, though, to soften the quashing of free speech. Maybe call them "First Amendment Zones," or something along those lines.

And if Harris/Walz lose Michigan and places like the Little Palestine area of Chicago, it's the campaign's own fault. Palestinian- and Arab-American individuals and groups have been trying for literal weeks to meet with the campaign and have gotten zero response. (I would argue, though, that no response is actually a response.) Giving the impression that you don't give a shit about listening to the people whose vote you're seeking is one of the most politically idiotic things I've ever seen.

Edit: There are 200,000 Arab Americans in Michigan--they also have the largest Lebanese population in the US--so treating them as if their opinions don't matter is practically suicidal from an electoral standpoint.

Rob H.

(5,529 posts)
23. What's there to be gained by pretending
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:07 PM
Monday

that she’s met with all the individuals and groups that want to speak with her? Uncommitted’s founder said on October 2 and October 10 that Harris has been asked to speak with people who have relatives in Gaza & Lebanon and thus far she’s ignored those requests unless something’s changed in the last four days.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,277 posts)
17. As a matter of interest, did the coverage include them saying "don't vote Democratic"?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:52 PM
Monday

because taking a look at the "Maine Voices for Palestinian Rights" website, I don't see them saying that.

DSandra

(1,160 posts)
19. Trump plans to set back the Palestine/Gaza protestors "25 to 30 years"
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:55 PM
Monday

Trump promises crackdown on pro-Palestinian protests if elected

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/28/trump-promises-crackdown-on-pro-palestinian-protests-if-elected

"Earlier this month, the likely Republican nominee told a small group of predominantly Jewish donors that he would expel student demonstrators, who he claimed were part of a “radical revolution”, from the US if he is elected, according to a report by The Washington Post released on Monday."

“If you get me elected, and you should really be doing this … we’re going to set that movement back 25 or 30 years,” Trump said, according to the report, quoting people at the meeting who spoke on the condition of anonymity."

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