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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/young-mens-economic-prospects-are-shifting-politics-rcna174384You look at what our parents were able to buy for $10,000 back in the day, said Derek, a focus group participant from Wisconsin who is leaning toward Trump. I just went through trying to buy a house two years ago, and the struggles that you come through. Youve got to be making $150,000 just to get your standard three-bed, two-bath house nowadays.
At a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, Sam Lilly, an 18-year-old who is still in high school, said he is planning to vote for Trump in his first election as an eligible voter. He said one of the biggest financial concerns for him is the price of gas. Gas prices have been averaging $3.34 a gallon, down from their high of $5.00 a gallon in June 2022 and $3.96 a year ago. Prior to the pandemic, gas was averaging around $2.60 a gallon.
Gas is so expensive, its ridiculous. I drive a truck, so I only get 16 miles per gallon, said Lilly, who currently works at a restaurant and who would ultimately like to work in welding or as an auto mechanic. Ive got to drive from my house to a school thats 20 minutes away to another school thats 20 minutes away to work thats 30 from that school. So Im wasting a lot of gas.
cadoman
(963 posts)Captain, I think we've identified the problem...
pstokely
(10,722 posts)his dick is too small
Yavin4
(36,589 posts)Doomed.
Turbineguy
(38,481 posts)forthemiddle
(1,436 posts)I doubt he bought a new truck. Its probably an old used truck that either he , or his parents, bought him for a couple thousand bucks that they found on Craigslist.
He was between 10 and 14 years old when Trump was in office, so they dont remember the bad tweets, the mismanagement, the firings, etc.
They hear their parents talk about cheap gas, 0% finance charges, and pre inflation housing prices.
I sold our 30 year old ranch house, in Mid Wisconsin, in 2017 for $115,000. That same house, seven years later, goes for $190,000. - $200,000. That is what these kids are seeing!
So lets not rage on them about better choices in vehicles, and instead see the hopelessness he sees for his future.
displacedvermoter
(3,196 posts)So why do we have the media continuously rolling them out, along with others like them, and using their loosely formed political views as some sort of measurement of Trump versus Harris?
This piece was not intended for the disaffected 18 to 25 white audience, as I don't believe these guys and their buddies are watching NBC televised news or web products. The people this is reaching are older voters and all listening to these guys bitch does is convince "undecideds" that they should overlook Trump's fascism and racism and misogyny because of "economic uncertainty".
Not really raging at them, although I must say I was in similar straights at their age and had to take the all too familiar step of enlisting in the military to right my ship, but more raging at the media. They keep insisting we have to listen to the views of our most uninformed, least educated and seemingly, least open minded fellow citizens. It angers me that folks like these young men get so much airplay and front page coverage.
JohnSJ
(96,798 posts)NickB79
(19,658 posts)But it's not a "real" truck, according to some coworkers.
Meanwhile, I hauled home two loads of compost and firewood yesterday, each close to it's 1500 lb bed capacity, while my coworkers drive pavement princesses.
If my daughter is lucky on this weekend's youth hunt, we'll be hauling a deer back home with it.
Guess I'm under compensating for something 🤣
hatrack
(61,176 posts)But it's a TRUCK, and that's the ONLY kind of vehicle I AM ALLOWED TO BUY!!!!
Liberal In Texas
(14,594 posts)I'm guessing a truck that gets 16mpg wasn't cheap. And he's probably still making payments on it. Normal loans today for some big truck are for 6 years. Now he's got to put gas into it and is bitching about that. I guess when he was shopping for transportation gas mileage wasn't a consideration.
This whole thing points to why people vote for Trump. They aren't very educated. And have unreasonable expectations about things like what kind of vehicle they should own.
NickB79
(19,658 posts)The monthly payment is more than my mortgage!
forthemiddle
(1,436 posts)I doubt he bought a brand new truck that he is financing. Its probably a used truck he found on Craigslist for a few thousand bucks. Unless he has rich parents, thats what most kids his age do.
Liberal In Texas
(14,594 posts)It could be a brand new land yacht with all the bells and whistles paid for by his parents. Maybe it's a used junker off Craig's List he's paying for with his part-time job money. We do know it gets 16mpg which is a stupid vehicle for a kid in school who has to commute to all those places to have. (Actually, as an PHEV owner I think it's a stupid vehicle to have for anybody.)
harumph
(2,384 posts)The problem is when you're not paid much everything seems "expensive." Duh.
vercetti2021
(10,403 posts)It's because they are voting because they are losers like Trump. These are the kind of men that are going to blame everything else that's going on in their lives besides themselves. Also if you own a truck that gets 16 miles per the gallon well no shit Sherlock that might be the fucking problem. If you can afford a truck you can afford the gas. Again it's not about economics it's about well authoritarianism that's what young men want apparently.
valleyrogue
(1,173 posts)What these guys are butthurt about is women doing so well, and young women don't see any need to partner with men anymore. They find their unearned privilege is slipping away from them and feel women are doing well at their expense, just as the young dudes over the past 35 years have felt. There is nothing new here at all. They are pro-GOP and anti their own best economic interest.
THAT at bottom is what it is.
zorbasd
(252 posts)this is the incessant posting gripe I observe in the youtube manosphete galore. These men are not happy with their lot in life, and feel that they won't find a wife to settle with and have children, because some how women they would like to pursue are more accomplished socially and economically.
Klarkashton
(2,283 posts)Fix all your problems trust me".
How stupid do you have to be to believe that shit.
arlyellowdog
(1,429 posts)Trump speaks to their anger. I spoke to a couple of relatives today. They will vote for Kamala because weve been doubling down on Trumps many bad parts. But they are very receptive to his hate and anger, not wanting women to be their bosses. The feeling everyone gets a break but them. So far havent convinced them Kamala is the answer just that Trump is a loser. Do have to say we need a bit of Scranton Joe or male energy. I see the Democratic guys are hitting the blue wall. However, women probably will carry the day.
NameAlreadyTaken
(1,627 posts)NoveltySocks
(405 posts)Dude's not dateable if he's voting for TFG, and his hygiene is likely suspect, so it's not like there'll be anyone who'll want to share the space with this idiot. Sorry to be mean, but yuck.
Cosmocat
(15,047 posts)who see things the same way.
GenThePerservering
(2,675 posts)duncang
(3,722 posts)Them or the developers ripping them off? Seriously his money is made by conning people. If they think supporting him will get them a home they are delusional.
durablend
(8,013 posts)When the hell were mom and dad buying a house for $10,000? What, the 1950s?
Wiz Imp
(2,330 posts)It certainly wasn't a house. If you figure their parents were buying a house around 1990, the average price of a new house then was around $150,000. And the median price of all single family homes sold was $120,000
Jspur
(660 posts)to make up for the increased in housing expenses. You are saying the average price of a home in 1990 was 150K and if that's true that is a lot less than the average price of a home today which is 412k. That means housing in over 30 years has nearly increased by 300 percent which has outpaced inflation by a huge margin. I bought a house 4 years ago at the price of 270K and now the same house I bought 4 years ago is 400K. That is a ridiculous increase in pricing in just 4 years. I also believe in the next 15 years my house will be worth a million dollars since I live in a city that is one of the top 10 places people are moving to in the US. I don't even say that in a good way either but that shows you what these young men are up against. Housing is broken in this country.
I don't agree with these young guys voting for Trump, but I do get their anger from the economic standpoint. They are in a fucked-up situation where I don't think things are going to improve for them financially over the next 20 years unless we actually try to fix this housing issue. I don't have hope either side will fix this problem since there is too much invested by even people in here that their house values go up by a lot just for the equity and retirement purposes.
Wiz Imp
(2,330 posts)Median home sale prices have gone up by about 3.25%. That's not a big difference.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MSPUS
Overall inflation has increased about 2.5% over that time
https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
And median personal income has actually outpaced inflation in most years since 1990 with the exception being during recessions and the the pandemic.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1bQk9
You're exaggerating their "reasons" for being angry. And it takes a special kind of stupid to react to houses costing too much by supporting a guy who doesn't give a shit if anyone can afford a house or not - he would rather they cost as much as possible because that means more money for him - screw anyone who wants to buy a more affordable home.
raccoon
(31,506 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(10,638 posts)and lower prices they should probably just stay in the parents basement where they are now, aint gonna happen fellas.
Wiz Imp
(2,330 posts)The people described in the article clearly have no idea how economics work. That and complaining about gas prices because they choose to drive trucks which get low mileage. Hell, cars getting good gas mileage are much cheaper than trucks (in general) too.
elleng
(136,738 posts)and GREED!!!
displacedvermoter
(3,196 posts)The schools, the family collectively, the media, or government economists? These idiots get their information from other idiots on tiktok and reddit, and from Joe Rogan podcasts, an analysis of how gas prices are influenced by any number of domestic and international factors would not help educate someone who thinks Trump is a business genius.
And what kind of goofball tells an interviewer that he thinks Kamala Harris will react to situations "emotionally" while Trump will be forceful and logical? This is Incel speak for I ain't voting for a girl.
And where does NBC -- and the media in general -- find the idiots they invite to their focus groups? Do they go door to door and ask if anyone has a 18 to 25 year son living in the basement? Do they go to a high school football game and see if any recent graduates are still hanging around the parking lot trying to pick up girls?
And at the end of it all, they pretty much admit a good number of these cretins won't vote anyway, and will be outvoted by young women voters.
Waste of time, this piece of journalism.
Wiz Imp
(2,330 posts)I guess I was focusing more on the schools and the families. Part of that education needs to focus on critical thinking so they can understand when idiots on tiktok, reddit & Joe Rogan are in fact idiots. Of course, many of these guys are unreachable - lost causes if you will. But I do think more emphasis on critical thinking skills could at least thin their ranks by a bit.
displacedvermoter
(3,196 posts)And I really do hate to give up on future voters. But it is so easy considering who the media keeps telling us are the people whose opinions we need to be listening to.
elleng
(136,738 posts)Jack Valentino
(1,497 posts)Or else don't complain about how much gas it uses.
YorkRd
(360 posts)Pushing a myth at Trump such a great businessman and things were so good when he was in office like a different reality
Freethinker65
(11,160 posts)I am so sick of this. The cost of housing HAS gone up. I get it. I also remember our first house being a one and a half story two bedroom (attic converted to third bedroom) one bath house in a lower middle working class neighborhood with mediocre public schools. Not my dream house, but perfectly fine for several years to build equity and learn about home ownership (we stayed nine years).
I know young adults in our current middle class neighborhood in a better location with much better schools that expect to purchase a house similar to one the grew up in (three to four bedrooms, three plus baths, bonus rooms, high end finishes and appliances, etc.) as their affordable starter home. Sorry, no sympathy from me. It took us over ten years to move to our current house where we have resided for over twenty years. Though we could afford a bigger better house in more upscale area, I am actually looking forward to downsizing.
NCDem47
(2,589 posts)It's their birthright. It's an entitlement. When life doesn't work out according to them, they think they're cheated. They don't want to be perceived (bt others or themselves) as Betas.
NickB79
(19,658 posts)But educated women avoid Red Hats like the plague, and Red Hat men are too insecure to date a woman who's their equal or, GASP, makes MORE money than them.
So young men like this are stuck chasing an exaggerated, old-school lifestyle where the man is the breadwinner, the wife is subservient and takes care of the kids, cooking, and cleaning, but somehow they still live the American Dream. His only dating prospects are less educated women with far less likelihood of getting a high paying job to help him as a true partner to achieve shared dreams. His own ego is cockblocking himself.
They never seem to grasp the concept that that American Dream of the 50's and 60's was largely due to UNIONS pushing for better pay, health insurance and fully funded pensions. They then vote for the party who wants to kill those unions and roll back all the benefits they got American workers.
jimfields33
(19,276 posts)NickB79
(19,658 posts)His high school girlfriend might get all liberalized if she goes off to college and thinks she's too good for him!
I've heard exactly that sentiment growing up in a rural, Midwest small town.
jimfields33
(19,276 posts)I do agree a better vehicle would help. But he might have gotten it dirt cheap. It could be a junker which many high schoolers drive.
Diamond_Dog
(35,102 posts)ClimateHawk
(344 posts)Kamala Harris has a plan to take on corporate price gouging. So shouldn't they be supporting Kamala?
Tarc
(10,579 posts)Despite providing a zero-length plan to do so.
Perhaps the minimum voting age for men should be raised to 21.