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no_hypocrisy

(48,351 posts)
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:52 AM Monday

Not enough to elect Harris/Walz.

We MUST have both Houses of Congress controlled by Democrats.

Otherwise, Republicans will continue to take their marching orders from TSF even if he isn't in the WH.

Examples: Republican Senate won't schedule hearings for USSC nominations. Republican House will stall any Harris legislation if not outright won't allow said legislation to have hearings. Federal budget? Fuggetaboutit.

My fear is that while we may have enough Independent votes to win the Electoral College, the same voters will cast votes for Republican down-ballot candidates to "make it fair".

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Not enough to elect Harris/Walz. (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Monday OP
K & R...................... Lovie777 Monday #1
Anyone who splits their vote at this point is an idiot augyboston Monday #2
Unfortunately, that's not a disqualification bluescribbler Monday #22
I absolutely agree. Think. Again. Monday #3
The President has immunity. Cartoonist Monday #4
Maybe so, but you know she won't... Trueblue Texan Monday #5
No she can't Polybius Monday #30
Sure Bluedawgbill Monday #31
The repuglican party has proven itself untrustworthy to govern mdbl Monday #6
Yes! So many, many times! joshdawg Monday #23
it is a worry for sure... let's hope she has big coattails LymphocyteLover Monday #7
very true.. agingdem Monday #8
Action conquers fear. littlemissmartypants Monday #9
I think she can do a "recess appointment" when they are on recess if the rethugs win the Senate, and they decide JohnSJ Monday #10
It Depends Upon The Length Of The Recess... MayReasonRule Monday #11
All I am saying is it has been done before so it isn't a precedent. Add to that if the rumors are true that alito and JohnSJ Monday #12
"All I am saying is it has been done before" BumRushDaShow Monday #15
The Speaker Controls The Frequency, Timing And Length Of Recesses... MayReasonRule Monday #17
They never go "in recess" anymore BumRushDaShow Monday #13
They will go on recess. They are a bunch of lazy asses, as evidenced by johnson refusing to call the house in session to JohnSJ Monday #16
Nope. They haven't in 10 years BumRushDaShow Monday #18
Yep, You're Unfortunately Correct And Dead On Point MayReasonRule Monday #19
Senate recesses are controlled by the Senate majority, not the House speaker. onenote Monday #20
The response being replied to is associated with the top of this subthread and had to do with APPOINTMENTS BumRushDaShow Monday #24
You're Correct MayReasonRule Monday #26
remember- it's the new house that counts the votes. mopinko Monday #14
Once again because of the electoral kacekwl Monday #21
A Suggestion I Saw Regarding Appointments... GB_RN Monday #25
That is an extremely bad idea. onenote Monday #27
I Never Said It Was. GB_RN Monday #28
Didn't mean to imply it was your idea. onenote Monday #29

augyboston

(238 posts)
2. Anyone who splits their vote at this point is an idiot
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:01 AM
Monday

We all need to vote straight Democrat from Harris/Walz all the way down to dog catcher!

Cartoonist

(7,475 posts)
4. The President has immunity.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:14 AM
Monday

She can arrest senators for not doing their duty. She can fire SC judges for corruption. She can nationalize the oil industry and the banks. Etc.

agingdem

(8,497 posts)
8. very true..
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:33 AM
Monday

we need the House to neuter/censure the MAGA creatures...make their presence irrelevant so as to pass necessary legislation/fund the government .....we need the Senate to codify Roe v Wade...to modify or eliminate the filibuster, our judges confirmed without character assassinations...

and we need much larger majorities in the both the House and the Senate...

littlemissmartypants

(24,765 posts)
9. Action conquers fear.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:39 AM
Monday
Jen O'Malley Dillon became the first woman to manage a winning Democratic presidential campaign in 2020, before her appointment as President Joe Biden's deputy chief of staff.


THREE DAYS! NC VOTES OCT. 17TH


Here’s what we need to do between now and Election Day:

●Reach every single undecided voter and make sure they know Kamala’s vision, values, and life story -- and the night-and-day contrast between her record of fighting for middle-class families and Donald Trump’s record of fighting for himself and his rich friends.

●Continue to build relationships with people who support us but may not have decided whether to vote, particularly people of color and young people. It’s on us to earn, not just count on, their vote, and make sure they know when, where, and how they can do it quickly and easily.

●Peel off Trump supporters where we can. Picture that person in your life who voted for Trump in 2016 or 2020 even though they know he’s dangerous and a liar, and who hasn’t yet been convinced that, yes, it’s ok to turn the page. There are pockets of these voters in critical states, they are gettable, and we will get them.

●Convert Harris supporters into volunteers and grassroots validators for this campaign. This is where you come in.

What you can do:

I’ll be blunt: We need more supporters to raise their hands and say they’re ready to volunteer, and we need those who’ve already done so to keep their foot on the gas. We know we have the best candidate. But without grassroots energy we could very easily lose this race and find ourselves facing another four years of Donald Trump. A Donald Trump that is more extreme than ever before.

We cannot let it happen.

There are lots of ways to volunteer -- on the ground, on the phone, even on social media -- and our team is here to make sure it’s a smooth (and fun!) experience.

VOLUNTEER
https://go.kamalaharris.com/?link_id=3&can_id=c79fccdff234f9c3dcb611224ea90fe2&email_referrer=email_2482066&email_subject=we-have-26-days-left-heres-how-were-going-to-win

LFG!
GOTV!!


❤️ pants

MayReasonRule

(1,601 posts)
11. It Depends Upon The Length Of The Recess...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:22 AM
Monday
https://web.archive.org/web/20201112023726/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/us/supreme-court-president-recess-appointments.html?emc=edit_na_20140626&nlid=69033065&_r=0

Back during Obama's term in office Justice Stephen G. Breyer wrote in a majority opinion joined by the court’s four other more liberal members that such appointments generally remained permissible so long as they were made during breaks of 10 or more days.

So... the possibility of appointing SCOTUS members during a recess is either constrained or assisted by whom is the Speaker of the House.

Here's the rub though...

Many experts say that if either house of Congress is controlled by the party opposed to the president, lawmakers can effectively block recess appointments by requiring pro forma sessions every three days. The Constitution says that each house must get the approval of the other chamber to adjourn for more than three days.


Here's to a BLUE tsunami turnout that expels the fascists from the halls of power!!!

JohnSJ

(95,452 posts)
12. All I am saying is it has been done before so it isn't a precedent. Add to that if the rumors are true that alito and
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:34 AM
Monday

thomas are considering steping down, and the repukes won't allow another Supreme Court nomination, that would leave a 4-3 court, which is better than a 6-3 court, and potential wild cards depending on the issue.

Why would the Speaker of the House have any say in SC appointments? Isn't that in the Senates duties?




BumRushDaShow

(139,818 posts)
15. "All I am saying is it has been done before"
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:42 AM
Monday

Not since the SCOTUS ruling that smacked down the ability due to the Senate's codified Rules that include "Pro-forma" sessions.

And believe it or not, the reason for those "Pro-Forma" sessions? Shrub's recess appointment of Bolton!

MayReasonRule

(1,601 posts)
17. The Speaker Controls The Frequency, Timing And Length Of Recesses...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:52 AM
Monday

Thus, if the GOP controls the Speakership they control whether or not an appointment is allowed during the recess.

As far as Alito and Thomas stepping down... I really doubt that.

I am unaware of any fascist that has ever voluntarily abdicated power.

There will have to be a great deal more pressure brought to bear upon SCOTUS which is a very tricky thing to achieve.

They are unfortunately largely insular from the world in which we live.
They are living in ivory palaces while we swim in our world of woe.

Which, in the case of the fascist majority is precisely what they desire:

It's straight out of the fascist playbook:
- Intimidation
- Incarceration
- Extermination

Here's to that Blue Tsunami!
Here's to a clean sweep!




BumRushDaShow

(139,818 posts)
13. They never go "in recess" anymore
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:35 AM
Monday

As a routine matter that has been adopted in the Senate Rules is that they will call a "Pro-forma Session" where they will gavel in every 3 days and will be in a state of "Subject to the Call of the Chair".

Obama challenged that and the SCOTUS did a smack down, pointing to the Constitution's provision that indicates that Congress can set its own rules and if that was the Senate Rule, then that is unquestionable -

Article I

(snip)

Section 5.

Each House shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members, and a majority of each shall constitute a quorum to do business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the attendance of absent members, in such manner, and under such penalties as each House may provide.

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

(snip)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

JohnSJ

(95,452 posts)
16. They will go on recess. They are a bunch of lazy asses, as evidenced by johnson refusing to call the house in session to
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:44 AM
Monday

allocate more money to FEMA.

They are not going to miss their Christmas break.



BumRushDaShow

(139,818 posts)
18. Nope. They haven't in 10 years
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:53 AM
Monday

It's literally a "bipartisan" agreement in the Senate to add the "gavel in every 3 days" sessions so that they can "look like they are in recess" but technically ARE NOT.

They will usually have a "local" Senator (from MD or VA or DE, etc) come in, call the Senate to order for "Morning Business", will go through the whole rigamarole with the pledge of allegiance, convocation, etc., then will declare that they are "in recess subject to the call of the chair", meaning they are NOT in a formal "recess".

Turn on CSPAN around 10 am ET when they are supposedly not around and watch for the day when they gavel in and then gavel out about 5 minutes later. 3 days after you catch that, check in again, same bat time, same bat channel... Wash. Rinse. Repeat..

And as a note, there is a "technical" time frame for "recess appoints" between Congressional session and Christmas is irrelevant.

MayReasonRule

(1,601 posts)
19. Yep, You're Unfortunately Correct And Dead On Point
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:01 AM
Monday

Here's to a blue tsunami!!!

Recess appointments are ultimately controlled by controlling the Speakership while simultaneously being in the majority. There's more to it I know however that's the gist of it.

That is the only way I'm aware of that a recess appointment would be able to be made.

onenote

(44,119 posts)
20. Senate recesses are controlled by the Senate majority, not the House speaker.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:05 AM
Monday

Both houses don't always simultaneously recess -- each house controls its own schedule.

BumRushDaShow

(139,818 posts)
24. The response being replied to is associated with the top of this subthread and had to do with APPOINTMENTS
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:33 AM
Monday

mopinko

(71,478 posts)
14. remember- it's the new house that counts the votes.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 08:36 AM
Monday

we rly, rly need to storm the house if we r gonna get anything done, including seating president harris.
speaker jeffries v speaker moses is all the difference in the world.

kacekwl

(7,388 posts)
21. Once again because of the electoral
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:29 AM
Monday

college and gerrymandering Democrats are continually fighting uphill battles. There are almost always millions more Democratic votes but we lose because of this.

GB_RN

(3,037 posts)
25. A Suggestion I Saw Regarding Appointments...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:54 AM
Monday

Is for Harris to tell the Reichwingers that they have 90 days to hold an up/down vote. If they don’t, she will consider that the Senate has abrogated its advise & consent duties, and have that person sworn in, regardless.

onenote

(44,119 posts)
27. That is an extremely bad idea.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 01:25 PM
Monday

The president has no power to do that. And any actions taken by the unlawfully appointed officials could end up being nullified by the courts.

No responsible attorney would make such a suggestion.

GB_RN

(3,037 posts)
28. I Never Said It Was.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:06 PM
Monday

It was just a proposal I’d read about - it’s not my idea. But it was suggested elsewhere as a way to 1) try to get the Repukes to do their jobs, and if not 2) provide a way around them and their intransigence. There would be a legal argument to be made that if the Senate Repukes are going to deny any/all appointments a vote, they have abrogated their constitutional duty, and leave the President with no other options.

There are literally thousands of positions in the federal government that are appointments, and thus require a Senate vote. Holding those up because they can means the government cannot function. The threat of going around them might make them hold an up/down vote instead.

Again, NOT my idea, nor am I saying that I advocate for it. I’m simply tossing out and explaining an idea that I had read about. And with that, I’m done, not going to continue a back and forth on this.

onenote

(44,119 posts)
29. Didn't mean to imply it was your idea.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:28 PM
Monday

But it really is a ridiculous idea. And there is no constitutional "duty" to vote on nominations. There is power, but no obligation for the Senate to hold an up or down vote on any nominee.

And historically the Senate has not voted on hundreds of presidential nominees. In fact, at the end of most presidential terms, there typically are dozens of nominations pending but not acted upon. If you add in the number of nominees who haven't been voted on in 90 days, the number would be astronomical.

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