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Playingmantis

(269 posts)
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 12:33 PM Monday

STOP THE AID TO Rutherford North Carolina

Crazy as it sounds RW militia are threatening FEMA workers in Rutherford County N Carolina and fucking half the county wants them to leave!!



LAKE LURE, N.C. — Federal emergency response personnel on Saturday had employees operating in hard-hit Rutherford County, N.C., stop working and move to a different area because of concerns over “armed militia” threatening government workers in the region, according to an email sent to federal agencies helping with response in the state.

Around 1 p.m. Saturday, an official with the U.S. Forest Service, which is supporting recovery efforts after Hurricane Helene along with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sent an urgent message to numerous federal agencies warning that “FEMA has advised all federal responders Rutherford County, NC, to stand down and evacuate the county immediately. The message stated that National Guard troops 'had come across x2 trucks of armed militia saying they were out hunting FEMA.’”




One Forest Service employee, she said, was pulling into a gas station when someone yelled at him to leave, saying “We don’t want the government here.”

“It’s terrible because a lot of these folks who need assistance are refusing it because they believe the stuff people are saying about FEMA and the government,” Duncan said. “And it’s sad because they are probably the ones who need the help the most.”

It’s been about a 51/49 split of residents being “grateful to see us versus ‘go home feds,’” he said. “We were aware of the threats made against FEMA in particular, but federal responders in general.”

Chimney Rock, in Rutherford County, has become one of the centers of tension and conflict after a rumor spread on social media that government officials planned to seize the decimated village and bulldoze bodies under the rubble. Authorities and news outlets debunked the assertion, but people still took to social media imploring militias to go after FEMA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/13/federal-officials-nc-temporarily-relocated-amid-report-armed-militia-email-shows/

I SAY PULL THE WORKERS OUT OF THERE UNTIL THE DECENT CITIZENS STAND UP TO THESE THUGS. AND WHY IN HELL IS A MAN WHO THREATENED A FEMA WORKER CHARGED WITH JUST A MISDEMEANOR??

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STOP THE AID TO Rutherford North Carolina (Original Post) Playingmantis Monday OP
Why indeed? XanaDUer2 Monday #1
Exactly, mantis!! Just send this to my brother and said Leghorn21 Monday #2
Information in another D.U. thread: It was just on jerk-off making a crank phone call from a gas station. 3Hotdogs Monday #39
Yes, I was sooo glad the lying little redneck was caught Leghorn21 Monday #47
Ignorant Hill Williams with plenty of guns. maxsolomon Monday #3
You have to wonder how many NC Nat Guards are MAGATs as well...... AZ8theist Monday #28
No I don't. maxsolomon Monday #37
Personally, Gimble Monday #48
Then I'd have to spend time perusing Gun Forums. maxsolomon Monday #50
YES DENVERPOPS Monday #52
So True! Wuddles440 Monday #59
If they'd been majority black Dark n Stormy Knight Tuesday #62
I came across a Reuters report that I am not linking here because wnylib Monday #4
why is reuters an uncertain source WhiskeyGrinder Monday #8
Not so long ago if I'd watched something like this happening in a movie I would have thought that it was over Dave Bowman Monday #5
This message was self-deleted by its author COL Mustard Monday #10
Sent in NC National Guard and MacKasey Monday #6
Local new here reported dweller Monday #7
"UNTIL THE DECENT CITIZENS STAND UP TO THESE THUGS" WhiskeyGrinder Monday #9
FEMA responds to crises in the nation. This is a crisis in the nation. hadEnuf Monday #11
The problem with that Cirsium Monday #19
FEMA is under control of the governor stollen Monday #57
and exactly what did they do quakerboy Monday #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Monday #16
Apparently... littlemissmartypants Monday #29
We did this at my place of work, we would spread a rumor or such at work, and see how the rumor would change SWBTATTReg Monday #34
And some of us... littlemissmartypants Monday #36
If they don't want help digging out from the rubble of the storms, well then, 4lbs Monday #13
No Cirsium Monday #21
That is true but edisdead Monday #33
Of course not Cirsium Monday #38
Barney was the Ed Norton of the Flintstones. Girard442 Monday #51
Cut off their social security payouts BattleRow Monday #14
And of course when help doesn't arrive it will be Kamala's fault. Demobrat Monday #15
FBI?? Evolve Dammit Monday #17
Welcome to DU orangecrush Monday #18
Want FEMA to leave or they want the domestic terrorists to leave? Justice matters. Monday #20
That this is even in question is telling stollen Monday #58
Then the hell with them Figarosmom Monday #22
The National Guard can be called in for obstruction of federal laws BaronChocula Monday #23
Stop it. The guy's been arrested. ms liberty Monday #24
It's scary to witness soandso Monday #53
It would be so helpful if MAGA weren't so astoundingly stupid birdographer Monday #25
Question. SleeplessinSoCal Monday #26
TSF gab13by13 Monday #27
Then, why isn't he being given a warning? SleeplessinSoCal Monday #32
Biting the hand that feeds you Mblaze Monday #30
NO, don't. ... littlemissmartypants Monday #31
"Call Congress Right Fucking Now" --- TBF Monday #35
Trump's lies have consequences pfitz59 Monday #40
I ran this story down soandso Monday #41
enoughs enough RJ_MacReady Monday #42
I think you owe us an answer to "what does "stand up to these thugs" mean? muriel_volestrangler Monday #43
No. Tommy Carcetti Monday #44
Planting this poisonous seed in that region was low-hanging fruit misanthrope Monday #45
There needs to be some public accountability for this. And I mean the big money pushing this shit. Joinfortmill Monday #46
Thye heart of MAGA is disinformation. Question everything because sensationalism never sleeps. jaxexpat Monday #49
All this because Trump spews shit out his mouth with no consequences. GreenWave Monday #54
Let's stop this foolidhness. Jirel Monday #55
I got a LTTE published saying the same thing stollen Monday #56
its like as they've trying to start a civil war southmost Monday #60
I'm willing to bet ... Straw Man Monday #61

3Hotdogs

(13,261 posts)
39. Information in another D.U. thread: It was just on jerk-off making a crank phone call from a gas station.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:01 PM
Monday

He has been arrested and charged.

maxsolomon

(34,792 posts)
3. Ignorant Hill Williams with plenty of guns.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 12:38 PM
Monday

I'd rather "decent citizens" aren't forced to form a counter-militia and confront them.

Send in the NC National Guard.

maxsolomon

(34,792 posts)
37. No I don't.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:58 PM
Monday

They're soldiers who are supposed to obey orders (like guard food distribution or protect FEMA locations), not facilitate vigilantism. I trust they take their oaths seriously.

Gimble

(28 posts)
48. Personally,
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:24 PM
Monday

I believe just the opposite. I think there are a significant number of members of the national guard, army, marines, air force, police depts, sheriff depts, etc. who absolutely do not take their oath to the constitution seriously. And they can screw up the operation without overtly disobeying orders. Spend some time perusing gun forums and you'll see why I believe this.

DENVERPOPS

(9,787 posts)
52. YES
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:39 PM
Monday

Just look at the number of Capitol Police and DC Police that just moved aside, or some who actually moved barricades to let the insurrectionists advance. They have them on video also, how many have been charged with Dereliction of Duty????

I firmly believe, to this day, if the LEO's inside the capitol had just started "dropping" any person that came through a window and door, the rest would have turned tail and ran..........

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,977 posts)
62. If they'd been majority black
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 02:02 AM
Tuesday

that's exactly what would have happened.

As it did happen, the insurrectionists got in & wreaked havoc, then they were just allowed to waltz out & go home.

wnylib

(23,951 posts)
4. I came across a Reuters report that I am not linking here because
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 12:46 PM
Monday

Reuters is an uncertain source.

But, if true, Reuters reported one of the rumors on Face Book that might be behind the militia hunting down FEMA workers. The rumor was that FEMA was arresting local relief workers and preventing them from reaching people who need help.

According to that Reuters report, the county sheriff announced that it was a false rumor and that people needed to calm down and work together. This was near Asheville.







Dave Bowman

(3,391 posts)
5. Not so long ago if I'd watched something like this happening in a movie I would have thought that it was over
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 12:48 PM
Monday

the top and hard to believe.

Response to Dave Bowman (Reply #5)

WhiskeyGrinder

(23,586 posts)
9. "UNTIL THE DECENT CITIZENS STAND UP TO THESE THUGS"
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 01:12 PM
Monday

what, exactly, would that look like, and by whose standards?

hadEnuf

(2,593 posts)
11. FEMA responds to crises in the nation. This is a crisis in the nation.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 01:27 PM
Monday

If one wants to refuse help, then refuse help, as long as your situation isn't endangering other people. It's getting to the point that nobody really gives a fuck if they take help or not anyway.

But these assholes do not get to speak for other American citizens who want and need help. FEMA has every right to be there and if some fucknut wants to get violent about it then the Federal Government should not tolerate that for one second.

They have a right to protect themselves using whatever it takes.

stollen

(495 posts)
57. FEMA is under control of the governor
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:21 PM
Monday

Cooper called them in. If the people don't like it, they can vote for "The Black Nazi."

Response to quakerboy (Reply #12)

littlemissmartypants

(24,767 posts)
29. Apparently...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:36 PM
Monday
They really aren't. But that's a different story by a different news source, WaPo.

Classic misinformation situation. Disinformation would mean it's deliberate. This appears to be like the game telephone and a result of shit reporters not doing due diligence.

How to play Telephone
1)The game of telephone is a classic icebreaker and party game. It's easy to set up and a lot of fun to play. You and your friends will try to pick a word or phrase, “pass it on” by whispering it to someone next to you, and have fun seeing how much it changed during the game. All you will need to play is a couple of friends, a word or phrase, and a quiet whisper.
Snip...
5)See how much the word changed. Once the last person hears the word or phrase, they will say what they think they heard out loud. This is compared to the original word that the game started with. This is the moment when all the players get to learn just how much the word or phrase changed through their “telephone line”.

https://www.wikihow.com/Play-the-Telephone-Game

SWBTATTReg

(23,891 posts)
34. We did this at my place of work, we would spread a rumor or such at work, and see how the rumor would change
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:49 PM
Monday

over the course of a day. It's amazing just how much a message can change, just in the course of one day.

littlemissmartypants

(24,767 posts)
36. And some of us...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:55 PM
Monday

Are lucky to get a coherent idea to a piece of paper without finding ourselves standing in front of the refrigerator and asking ourselves what we were looking for.



It is a fun an enlightening game. Great for providing teachable moments for kids about how lies can start and spread.

Maybe it should be a job requirement for reporters to play it once a week.

Thanks for your reply, SWBTATTReg.



❤️

4lbs

(7,291 posts)
13. If they don't want help digging out from the rubble of the storms, well then,
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 01:51 PM
Monday

eff them. You tried.

If these Barneys (Rubble, get it?) want to listen to someone who doesn't care about them, and do all this crap themselves, well then.... ok, bye Felicia!



* FYI *
Barney Rubble was the friend of the Fred Flintstone character,


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Rubble

BattleRow

(899 posts)
14. Cut off their social security payouts
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 01:57 PM
Monday

They don't want the government?
Invalidate their drivers licenses,too...

Fixed it.

orangecrush

(21,147 posts)
18. Welcome to DU
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:04 PM
Monday

And am I mistaken, or are you openly saying what these loons are saying, in saying half the county wants FEMA to leave, and they should leave immediately?

Just curious.

stollen

(495 posts)
58. That this is even in question is telling
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:23 PM
Monday

Most areas of the country aren't preprogrammed to hate anything affiliated with govt, particularly in time of great need.

Figarosmom

(1,719 posts)
22. Then the hell with them
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:10 PM
Monday

Give the sane o es info to go somewhere else to get help or mail applications or make available for download or any at local law enforcement offices if they aren't crazy too.So why aren't FOX and other right wing media correcting trump about " they will take your property" bullshit? Do they want all those people to end up living in falling down houses or shacks ? Just to help Trump they eiuld leave all these people without help? Well I guess I can answer my own question, they let them die during covid hust to push the trump line so why not this too?

BaronChocula

(2,386 posts)
23. The National Guard can be called in for obstruction of federal laws
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:21 PM
Monday

I wonder if this counts. And I wonder if there's foot-dragging because, you know, WHITE terrorists.

ms liberty

(9,744 posts)
24. Stop it. The guy's been arrested.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:21 PM
Monday

Quit acting like nothing is being done when they were actually looking for the guy, and arresting the guy.

The chaos agents are not the local population, who are living in a disaster area.

soandso

(732 posts)
53. It's scary to witness
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:48 PM
Monday

so many people/posters jump right on the disinfo train and start saying shit like fuck those people, don't give 'em any help, etc, without even bothering to take ten minutes and get the facts. It's also unconscionable for the Washington Post to spread bullshit like this. Why deliberately try to cause problems for people missing loved ones and whose homes have been destroyed? That's fucked up.

birdographer

(2,399 posts)
25. It would be so helpful if MAGA weren't so astoundingly stupid
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:22 PM
Monday

The rumor that FEMA is going to bulldoze bodies under the rubble is the sort of thing believed by the same imbecilic folks who believe that babies are executed after birth. Any sane, rational person will hear that and stifle laughter at how utterly ridiculous it is. Not these guys! They eat it up and then spit it out to all the rest of their buds on their RW platforms, who then grab their guns and run around the house wailing about how they are going to kill FEMA, until their mothers warm up some milk for them and bring it in with a plate of cookies and stroke their hair telling them it will be okay, little honey bunny. Just man-babies.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,572 posts)
32. Then, why isn't he being given a warning?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:44 PM
Monday

At the very least he should be told to cease and desist by NC AG.

TBF

(33,699 posts)
35. "Call Congress Right Fucking Now" ---
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:54 PM
Monday

sorry, new poster, you will have no idea what my title is about. Just wanted to chuckle a little with the other oldies on the site.

Seriously, though, please don't make a bad situation worse by playing into the nonsense. Someone has already been arrested for threatening FEMA workers, and apparently it is one person. No it should not be a misdemeanor - it should be a felony. But that is no reason to go crazy and hurt the actual victims.

soandso

(732 posts)
41. I ran this story down
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:05 PM
Monday

and it was ONE guy who made a "vague threat", at a gas station. Said he was going to "mess some FEMA people up". Sheriff was called, he was arrested and charged with some misdemeanor and bailed out.

But, according to Capt. Keever with the sheriff’s office, “there’s no indication right now that there was a truckload of militiamen,” despite the initial report stating there was.

"After further investigation, it was determined Parsons acted alone and there were no truck loads of militia going to Lake Lure," the sheriff's office said in a news release.


https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2024/10/14/armed-militia-threats-to-fema-in-nc-sheriff-says-1-man-acted-alone/75669526007/

So, no, let's not call for punishing people who have suffered a disaster in western North Carolina because one asshole ran his stupid ass redneck mouth.

RJ_MacReady

(245 posts)
42. enoughs enough
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:07 PM
Monday

Letting these terrorist "militias" operate with impunity. Send in the national guard with orders to use force if necessary.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,277 posts)
43. I think you owe us an answer to "what does "stand up to these thugs" mean?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:08 PM
Monday

The WP article says "people" took to social media. Are you just saying that replying to them on social media should be enough to get aid back to the town? Or are you asking for some vigilante action against the posters? Do people have to commit violence to qualify for help?

Tommy Carcetti

(43,473 posts)
44. No.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:12 PM
Monday

Federal aid should never be denied to any part of this country, no matter how contemptable some of its worst citizens might be.

misanthrope

(8,007 posts)
45. Planting this poisonous seed in that region was low-hanging fruit
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:15 PM
Monday

owing to the historic roots of the regional culture. It was founded by Scots-Irish people who valued autonomy, personal liberty and saw government as a tyrannical force.

Joinfortmill

(16,086 posts)
46. There needs to be some public accountability for this. And I mean the big money pushing this shit.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:22 PM
Monday

I'm so done with these fucks.

Jirel

(2,239 posts)
55. Let's stop this foolidhness.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:17 PM
Monday

They’ve arrested the ONE GUY who was making threats, running around armed. We are not MAGAts, to deny help to people in need because of one, or even several, crazies that are ungrateful, suspicious, and dangerous. If there are any others acting like this, we can arrest them too, and get on with the REAL people’s business of disaster relief.

stollen

(495 posts)
56. I got a LTTE published saying the same thing
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:17 PM
Monday

If any harm is done to a federal employees in that area, it would be time to pull out completely.

Straw Man

(6,744 posts)
61. I'm willing to bet ...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:45 PM
Monday

... that the people who are saying they don't want Federal agencies there are people who haven't suffered any real damage from the storm. Otherwise they'd be in line with their hands out. Instead, they're just fucking things up for people who really need the help. Because that's the kind of people they are, bless their hearts ...

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