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Crazy as it sounds RW militia are threatening FEMA workers in Rutherford County N Carolina and fucking half the county wants them to leave!!
LAKE LURE, N.C. Federal emergency response personnel on Saturday had employees operating in hard-hit Rutherford County, N.C., stop working and move to a different area because of concerns over armed militia threatening government workers in the region, according to an email sent to federal agencies helping with response in the state.
Around 1 p.m. Saturday, an official with the U.S. Forest Service, which is supporting recovery efforts after Hurricane Helene along with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sent an urgent message to numerous federal agencies warning that FEMA has advised all federal responders Rutherford County, NC, to stand down and evacuate the county immediately. The message stated that National Guard troops 'had come across x2 trucks of armed militia saying they were out hunting FEMA.
One Forest Service employee, she said, was pulling into a gas station when someone yelled at him to leave, saying We dont want the government here.
Its terrible because a lot of these folks who need assistance are refusing it because they believe the stuff people are saying about FEMA and the government, Duncan said. And its sad because they are probably the ones who need the help the most.
Its been about a 51/49 split of residents being grateful to see us versus go home feds, he said. We were aware of the threats made against FEMA in particular, but federal responders in general.
Chimney Rock, in Rutherford County, has become one of the centers of tension and conflict after a rumor spread on social media that government officials planned to seize the decimated village and bulldoze bodies under the rubble. Authorities and news outlets debunked the assertion, but people still took to social media imploring militias to go after FEMA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/10/13/federal-officials-nc-temporarily-relocated-amid-report-armed-militia-email-shows/
I SAY PULL THE WORKERS OUT OF THERE UNTIL THE DECENT CITIZENS STAND UP TO THESE THUGS. AND WHY IN HELL IS A MAN WHO THREATENED A FEMA WORKER CHARGED WITH JUST A MISDEMEANOR??
XanaDUer2
(13,217 posts)Leghorn21
(13,691 posts)Misdemeanor my ASS!!!!
3Hotdogs
(13,261 posts)He has been arrested and charged.
Leghorn21
(13,691 posts)Or whatever the hell he is
Thanks, 3
maxsolomon
(34,792 posts)I'd rather "decent citizens" aren't forced to form a counter-militia and confront them.
Send in the NC National Guard.
AZ8theist
(6,326 posts)maxsolomon
(34,792 posts)They're soldiers who are supposed to obey orders (like guard food distribution or protect FEMA locations), not facilitate vigilantism. I trust they take their oaths seriously.
I believe just the opposite. I think there are a significant number of members of the national guard, army, marines, air force, police depts, sheriff depts, etc. who absolutely do not take their oath to the constitution seriously. And they can screw up the operation without overtly disobeying orders. Spend some time perusing gun forums and you'll see why I believe this.
maxsolomon
(34,792 posts)No thanks.
Just look at the number of Capitol Police and DC Police that just moved aside, or some who actually moved barricades to let the insurrectionists advance. They have them on video also, how many have been charged with Dereliction of Duty????
I firmly believe, to this day, if the LEO's inside the capitol had just started "dropping" any person that came through a window and door, the rest would have turned tail and ran..........
Wuddles440
(1,334 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,977 posts)that's exactly what would have happened.
As it did happen, the insurrectionists got in & wreaked havoc, then they were just allowed to waltz out & go home.
wnylib
(23,951 posts)Reuters is an uncertain source.
But, if true, Reuters reported one of the rumors on Face Book that might be behind the militia hunting down FEMA workers. The rumor was that FEMA was arresting local relief workers and preventing them from reaching people who need help.
According to that Reuters report, the county sheriff announced that it was a false rumor and that people needed to calm down and work together. This was near Asheville.
WhiskeyGrinder
(23,586 posts)Dave Bowman
(3,391 posts)the top and hard to believe.
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MacKasey
(1,137 posts)Start arresting these jack-asses
dweller
(24,644 posts)Its happened in Ashe county also
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WhiskeyGrinder
(23,586 posts)what, exactly, would that look like, and by whose standards?
hadEnuf
(2,593 posts)If one wants to refuse help, then refuse help, as long as your situation isn't endangering other people. It's getting to the point that nobody really gives a fuck if they take help or not anyway.
But these assholes do not get to speak for other American citizens who want and need help. FEMA has every right to be there and if some fucknut wants to get violent about it then the Federal Government should not tolerate that for one second.
They have a right to protect themselves using whatever it takes.
Cirsium
(483 posts)Innocent people suffer, in particular children.
stollen
(495 posts)Cooper called them in. If the people don't like it, they can vote for "The Black Nazi."
quakerboy
(14,088 posts)With the trucks of hostile armed combatants roaming US soil?
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littlemissmartypants
(24,767 posts)Classic misinformation situation. Disinformation would mean it's deliberate. This appears to be like the game telephone and a result of shit reporters not doing due diligence.
How to play Telephone
1)The game of telephone is a classic icebreaker and party game. It's easy to set up and a lot of fun to play. You and your friends will try to pick a word or phrase, pass it on by whispering it to someone next to you, and have fun seeing how much it changed during the game. All you will need to play is a couple of friends, a word or phrase, and a quiet whisper.
Snip...
5)See how much the word changed. Once the last person hears the word or phrase, they will say what they think they heard out loud. This is compared to the original word that the game started with. This is the moment when all the players get to learn just how much the word or phrase changed through their telephone line.
https://www.wikihow.com/Play-the-Telephone-Game
SWBTATTReg
(23,891 posts)over the course of a day. It's amazing just how much a message can change, just in the course of one day.
littlemissmartypants
(24,767 posts)Are lucky to get a coherent idea to a piece of paper without finding ourselves standing in front of the refrigerator and asking ourselves what we were looking for.
It is a fun an enlightening game. Great for providing teachable moments for kids about how lies can start and spread.
Maybe it should be a job requirement for reporters to play it once a week.
Thanks for your reply, SWBTATTReg.
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4lbs
(7,291 posts)eff them. You tried.
If these Barneys (Rubble, get it?) want to listen to someone who doesn't care about them, and do all this crap themselves, well then.... ok, bye Felicia!
* FYI *
Barney Rubble was the friend of the Fred Flintstone character,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Rubble
There are innocent people there who need help.
edisdead
(3,200 posts)I do not expect FEMA workers to get abused or shot at.
Cirsium
(483 posts)The terrorist gangs need to be suppressed.
Girard442
(6,367 posts)Fred was Ralph.
BattleRow
(899 posts)They don't want the government?
Invalidate their drivers licenses,too...
Fixed it.
Demobrat
(9,670 posts)Evolve Dammit
(18,270 posts)orangecrush
(21,147 posts)And am I mistaken, or are you openly saying what these loons are saying, in saying half the county wants FEMA to leave, and they should leave immediately?
Just curious.
Justice matters.
(7,400 posts)stollen
(495 posts)Most areas of the country aren't preprogrammed to hate anything affiliated with govt, particularly in time of great need.
Figarosmom
(1,719 posts)Give the sane o es info to go somewhere else to get help or mail applications or make available for download or any at local law enforcement offices if they aren't crazy too.So why aren't FOX and other right wing media correcting trump about " they will take your property" bullshit? Do they want all those people to end up living in falling down houses or shacks ? Just to help Trump they eiuld leave all these people without help? Well I guess I can answer my own question, they let them die during covid hust to push the trump line so why not this too?
BaronChocula
(2,386 posts)I wonder if this counts. And I wonder if there's foot-dragging because, you know, WHITE terrorists.
ms liberty
(9,744 posts)Quit acting like nothing is being done when they were actually looking for the guy, and arresting the guy.
The chaos agents are not the local population, who are living in a disaster area.
soandso
(732 posts)so many people/posters jump right on the disinfo train and start saying shit like fuck those people, don't give 'em any help, etc, without even bothering to take ten minutes and get the facts. It's also unconscionable for the Washington Post to spread bullshit like this. Why deliberately try to cause problems for people missing loved ones and whose homes have been destroyed? That's fucked up.
birdographer
(2,399 posts)The rumor that FEMA is going to bulldoze bodies under the rubble is the sort of thing believed by the same imbecilic folks who believe that babies are executed after birth. Any sane, rational person will hear that and stifle laughter at how utterly ridiculous it is. Not these guys! They eat it up and then spit it out to all the rest of their buds on their RW platforms, who then grab their guns and run around the house wailing about how they are going to kill FEMA, until their mothers warm up some milk for them and bring it in with a plate of cookies and stroke their hair telling them it will be okay, little honey bunny. Just man-babies.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,572 posts)Who started the lies about FEMA?
gab13by13
(24,368 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,572 posts)At the very least he should be told to cease and desist by NC AG.
Mblaze
(366 posts)Is the MAGA way. They destroy that which they claim to love.
littlemissmartypants
(24,767 posts)It's an OTT, ridiculous idea based on misinformation.
TBF
(33,699 posts)sorry, new poster, you will have no idea what my title is about. Just wanted to chuckle a little with the other oldies on the site.
Seriously, though, please don't make a bad situation worse by playing into the nonsense. Someone has already been arrested for threatening FEMA workers, and apparently it is one person. No it should not be a misdemeanor - it should be a felony. But that is no reason to go crazy and hurt the actual victims.
pfitz59
(10,788 posts)The bastard is past due for a stretch in Leavenworth.
soandso
(732 posts)and it was ONE guy who made a "vague threat", at a gas station. Said he was going to "mess some FEMA people up". Sheriff was called, he was arrested and charged with some misdemeanor and bailed out.
But, according to Capt. Keever with the sheriffs office, theres no indication right now that there was a truckload of militiamen, despite the initial report stating there was.
"After further investigation, it was determined Parsons acted alone and there were no truck loads of militia going to Lake Lure," the sheriff's office said in a news release.
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2024/10/14/armed-militia-threats-to-fema-in-nc-sheriff-says-1-man-acted-alone/75669526007/
So, no, let's not call for punishing people who have suffered a disaster in western North Carolina because one asshole ran his stupid ass redneck mouth.
RJ_MacReady
(245 posts)Letting these terrorist "militias" operate with impunity. Send in the national guard with orders to use force if necessary.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,277 posts)The WP article says "people" took to social media. Are you just saying that replying to them on social media should be enough to get aid back to the town? Or are you asking for some vigilante action against the posters? Do people have to commit violence to qualify for help?
Tommy Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Federal aid should never be denied to any part of this country, no matter how contemptable some of its worst citizens might be.
misanthrope
(8,007 posts)owing to the historic roots of the regional culture. It was founded by Scots-Irish people who valued autonomy, personal liberty and saw government as a tyrannical force.
Joinfortmill
(16,086 posts)I'm so done with these fucks.
jaxexpat
(7,568 posts)GreenWave
(8,762 posts)Jirel
(2,239 posts)Theyve arrested the ONE GUY who was making threats, running around armed. We are not MAGAts, to deny help to people in need because of one, or even several, crazies that are ungrateful, suspicious, and dangerous. If there are any others acting like this, we can arrest them too, and get on with the REAL peoples business of disaster relief.
stollen
(495 posts)If any harm is done to a federal employees in that area, it would be time to pull out completely.
southmost
(785 posts)Straw Man
(6,744 posts)... that the people who are saying they don't want Federal agencies there are people who haven't suffered any real damage from the storm. Otherwise they'd be in line with their hands out. Instead, they're just fucking things up for people who really need the help. Because that's the kind of people they are, bless their hearts ...