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applegrove

(123,699 posts)
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:34 PM Oct 14

Gov. Walz: Trump just crossed a line that I have to tell you, in my lifetime, I would have never imagined. He said he


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Gov. Walz: Trump just crossed a line that I have to tell you, in my lifetime, I would have never imagined. He said he would deploy the military against Americans who disagree with him. He called it the 'enemy within.' To Donald Trump, anybody who doesn't agree with him is the enemy. We need to put this guy behind us

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Gov. Walz: Trump just crossed a line that I have to tell you, in my lifetime, I would have never imagined. He said he (Original Post) applegrove Oct 14 OP
Some people still don't seem to understand with whom they're dealing Fullduplexxx Oct 14 #1
Yes, there Is no low they will not go. flying_wahini Oct 14 #3
"the enemy within" maximum projection Justice matters. Oct 14 #28
I think you are right and we are really going to be shocked more by the day. onecaliberal Oct 14 #43
They do understand and they love it. They're deplorable and worthless. Lucky Luciano Oct 14 #58
Not just a "red line." There are f-ing laws against using the military domestically. Sogo Oct 14 #2
What's to stop him if he did it? Klarkashton Oct 14 #4
Nothing. WestMichRad Oct 14 #8
Once he declares the Constitution null and void... AZ8theist Oct 14 #55
The military itself, providing it hasn't all been taken over by Trump cultists. Sogo Oct 14 #18
He could simply fire the whole high command. Klarkashton Oct 14 #23
+1, the big story would be TFG **NOT*** firing the high command on day one uponit7771 Oct 14 #48
According to the UCMJ The Wizard Oct 14 #30
That's why the oath of office COL Mustard Oct 14 #49
Only the Officer's Oath pfitz59 Oct 14 #72
Correct. COL Mustard Oct 15 #73
They do and hopefully... Wuddles440 Oct 14 #31
I fear we have a divided military orthoclad Oct 14 #36
Exactly. One word: B.See Oct 14 #64
Per the corrupt SCOTUS, evolves Oct 14 #7
Laws? Since when those laws ever stopped the convicted felon to get what he wants? Justice matters. Oct 14 #32
When have laws stopped him? orthoclad Oct 14 #35
Active Resistance Baron2024 Oct 14 #59
We need to put this guy behind Mc Mike Oct 14 #5
I bet TommyT139 Oct 14 #10
Agreed, Tommy. rec, nt. Mc Mike Oct 14 #12
I don't know how much more flagrant he can be DENVERPOPS Oct 14 #6
Sedition. Insurrection? Guess it's all just protected free speech. Poisoning the blood? Enemy from within? All good Evolve Dammit Oct 14 #13
They have a ton of words DENVERPOPS Oct 14 #14
Indeed and it is rampant. Never seen it so out in the open. We know who is responsible (mostly). I'm sure others Evolve Dammit Oct 14 #16
Elon is all-in for trump. birdographer Oct 14 #41
Eloon is all in for Fascism too. magicarpet Oct 14 #52
Indeed Evolve Dammit Oct 14 #63
Just "Trump being Trump" is the usual apologist remark. Beartracks Oct 14 #21
extremely. What Stephen Miller et al put on his teleprompter is right from Goebell's playbook. MSM says....almost nothin Evolve Dammit Oct 14 #27
Scary. One of my worst fears coming true. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 14 #9
"We need this guy behind us." True. And Behind BARS. And take his damn phone so he can ponder his worthless life. Evolve Dammit Oct 14 #11
Trump DENVERPOPS Oct 14 #15
I endorse this message. And Kushner got 2 billion from the Saudis for helping cover up Khasoggi's murder. MSM yawned. Evolve Dammit Oct 14 #19
Would we save money not having to pay for a big SS detail if he's in prison? Beartracks Oct 14 #24
Just 3 agents on 8-hour rotations and a chair outside of the locked up door. Justice matters. Oct 14 #34
they would not need SS DENVERPOPS Oct 14 #69
Or ANY Secret Service detail jmowreader Oct 14 #66
Can you imagine Trump DENVERPOPS Oct 14 #70
It would be exceptionally hilarious jmowreader Oct 15 #76
He and his criminal buddies need to be behind bars not behind us. Clouds Passing Oct 14 #17
Too many Americans can't believe they could ever be a third world gulag nation. jaxexpat Oct 14 #20
First there was 9/11 and then Covid. Those have Klarkashton Oct 14 #25
Limbaugh jaxexpat Oct 14 #44
And ALL the wannabe blowhards who've followed him. calimary Oct 15 #74
Isn't that what was termed "The Good German?" BattleRow Oct 14 #39
Thank you Gov Walz, if only our media would point this out. spanone Oct 14 #22
It's horrible, but I honestly think MAGAs like this mchill Oct 14 #26
Walz is amazing, he can read a situation and describe plain as day bucolic_frolic Oct 14 #29
It has always been this way with trump. Andy823 Oct 14 #33
I think the "history" is not known by a lot of millenials, I mean the brainwashed magats Justice matters. Oct 14 #37
The anti-intellectuals don't care JoseBalow Oct 14 #47
A new poll of young voters shows Harris with a commanding 31 point lead over Trump Mariana Oct 14 #53
Still 30% magats who approve his obvious fascism :( Justice matters. Oct 14 #67
I think you're focusing on the wrong age group. Mariana Oct 14 #71
That's the reagan "yuppies" who got brainwashed by his trickle-down bs lies Justice matters. Oct 15 #75
I'm a senior and I am ashamed that people in my age group... augyboston Oct 15 #77
Some people will jump at any excuse to hate on Millennials and Gen Z. Mariana Oct 15 #79
Hundreds of thousands of right-wingers died of covid, orthoclad Oct 14 #38
Always prepare for a higher category BattleRow Oct 14 #40
The up side is, they can't vote any more. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 14 #51
Wrong answer orthoclad Oct 16 #85
We do need to put him behind us birdographer Oct 14 #42
EXACTLY! bluestarone Oct 14 #45
My first reaction to Trump being shot at, no I don't want it to happen like that, now I wish the idiot hadn't missed. OverBurn Oct 14 #46
Under us would be better. niyad Oct 14 #50
As in 6' under WestMichRad Oct 14 #54
I wa thinking more like 12 feet. . niyad Oct 14 #56
With immunity thanks to the fascist scotus Trump could say he's acting in the area of OrlandoDem2 Oct 14 #57
Active Resistance Baron2024 Oct 14 #60
Like National Guard troops on college campuses? progressoid Oct 14 #61
That's beyond weird, it's treason! Emile Oct 14 #62
He's certainly adept at digging his own grave ailsagirl Oct 14 #65
K&R Blue Owl Oct 14 #68
I know that the Justice Department and law enforcement tread very cautiously around campaign statements, but Martin68 Oct 15 #78
That is some seriously scary shit. Initech Oct 15 #80
I find the MAGAs throw around the paranoid label applegrove Oct 15 #81
Crossed that line long ago. usonian Oct 15 #82
As Trump himself so often reminds us, sometimes you have to flush twice ProfessorPlum Oct 15 #83
Read it and weep for this country. republianmushroom Oct 15 #84

Fullduplexxx

(8,365 posts)
1. Some people still don't seem to understand with whom they're dealing
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:36 PM
Oct 14

There is no low to trump . There are no lines .

Justice matters.

(7,614 posts)
28. "the enemy within" maximum projection
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:34 PM
Oct 14

maximum desperate projection on others who disagree with him because he unconsciously hates actually being the enemy within propped up by Putin since three decades!

onecaliberal

(36,396 posts)
43. I think you are right and we are really going to be shocked more by the day.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:33 PM
Oct 14

I’m sure we don’t even know the half. I’m expecting him to drop the word, knowing those vile fuckers who support him will love it.

Sogo

(5,855 posts)
2. Not just a "red line." There are f-ing laws against using the military domestically.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:36 PM
Oct 14

Orange Asshole!!!!

WestMichRad

(1,909 posts)
8. Nothing.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:53 PM
Oct 14

Since he wants to be dictator on day one, he’d start by declaring the constitution null and void. And this edition of the SCOTUS Six would opine that there’s nothing in the constitution that says he can’t do that…

AZ8theist

(6,578 posts)
55. Once he declares the Constitution null and void...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:28 PM
Oct 14

The Supreme Court becomes irrelevant. He would have no need or use for them anymore.

Sogo

(5,855 posts)
18. The military itself, providing it hasn't all been taken over by Trump cultists.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:16 PM
Oct 14

They take an oath to defend the Constitution, not a particular person. I believe they have a duty to not obey unlawful orders....

COL Mustard

(7,010 posts)
49. That's why the oath of office
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:03 PM
Oct 14

Doesn’t contain the phrase about obeying the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me.

COL Mustard

(7,010 posts)
73. Correct.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:22 AM
Oct 15

Officers have a moral obligation to not accept or obey illegal orders. The flip side of that is that they also have a moral obligation to protect their subordinates from receiving an illegal order.

Wuddles440

(1,443 posts)
31. They do and hopefully...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:37 PM
Oct 14

most will honor it, but the potential for chaos perpetrated by his loyalist in the military is a real concern.

Justice matters.

(7,614 posts)
32. Laws? Since when those laws ever stopped the convicted felon to get what he wants?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:37 PM
Oct 14

Well, since never, but that remains to be seen when he will lose.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
35. When have laws stopped him?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:49 PM
Oct 14

He's been criming since the minute he was sworn in - at the very least, the emoluments clause.

If he seizes power, I honestly don't know what will stop him.

Baron2024

(263 posts)
59. Active Resistance
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:44 PM
Oct 14

If Trump gets back in office and suspends the Constitution he would no longer be the legitimate President. He would be an unlawful Dictator. The President's authority derives from the Constitution. No Constitution, no authority. We are loyal to the country and the Constitution, not any one person. Anyone in the Federal Government or the Military that is not loyal to their oath to defend the Constitution should be legally removed. If Trump takes over and tries to suspend the Constitution, everyone in the Military, the Federal Government, and also just Citizens loyal to the Constitution would be called upon to rise up and Actively Resist the illegal Trump Regime.

TommyT139

(753 posts)
10. I bet
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:56 PM
Oct 14

I bet Tim Walz chose his words carefully, knowing what we're all thinking. Keep ears open for him to say "behind us" at a rally, and then listen for what the crowd shouts back.

DENVERPOPS

(10,200 posts)
6. I don't know how much more flagrant he can be
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:49 PM
Oct 14

Or when he has said at his rallies: If I don't win, there will be blood shed........

Or countless other things that would normally be considered to be "Inciting A Riot".........

Evolve Dammit

(19,166 posts)
13. Sedition. Insurrection? Guess it's all just protected free speech. Poisoning the blood? Enemy from within? All good
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:59 PM
Oct 14

Evolve Dammit

(19,166 posts)
16. Indeed and it is rampant. Never seen it so out in the open. We know who is responsible (mostly). I'm sure others
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:12 PM
Oct 14

are funding, promoting and encouraging, cuz they are Nazis too.
Need to be ready. No Malarkey. And no fascist fucks. Period.

magicarpet

(17,072 posts)
52. Eloon is all in for Fascism too.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:20 PM
Oct 14

They see Fascism as an express highway to achieve zero restraints hyper-capitalism. Self enrichment on hyper drive.

Beartracks

(13,620 posts)
21. Just "Trump being Trump" is the usual apologist remark.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:21 PM
Oct 14

WTF that's dumb and lazy.

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Evolve Dammit

(19,166 posts)
27. extremely. What Stephen Miller et al put on his teleprompter is right from Goebell's playbook. MSM says....almost nothin
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:34 PM
Oct 14

Evolve Dammit

(19,166 posts)
11. "We need this guy behind us." True. And Behind BARS. And take his damn phone so he can ponder his worthless life.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 02:57 PM
Oct 14

DENVERPOPS

(10,200 posts)
15. Trump
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:06 PM
Oct 14

his spawn, Jared, and hundreds of others in his administration, advisors and cabinet posts should be in Colorado's SuperMax.

After six months, McVeigh begged the court to give him the death penalty, saying Super Max was far worse than death.
Absolutely no contact with the outside world forever, sitting alone in a soundproof cell, all meals just shoved thru the door, no contact with other prisoners, Guards will not talk to you.......

Evolve Dammit

(19,166 posts)
19. I endorse this message. And Kushner got 2 billion from the Saudis for helping cover up Khasoggi's murder. MSM yawned.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:16 PM
Oct 14

Sorry. A bit of a tangent..

Beartracks

(13,620 posts)
24. Would we save money not having to pay for a big SS detail if he's in prison?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:23 PM
Oct 14

Genuinely curious.

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DENVERPOPS

(10,200 posts)
69. they would not need SS
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:00 PM
Oct 14

Double door on each cell...............absolutely positively no way to get out, or anyone can get in.

unquestionably an escape free prison.......Reserved only for the worst of the worst. Two guards take you out of the cell for a half hour a day, to exercise or shower, then back in......the entire time you are in the complex, you can only see the sky, no view of the mountains or anything on ground level. All meals are shoved thru a slot in the inside cell door.......

The perfect definition of rotting in your cell until you die........

jmowreader

(51,639 posts)
66. Or ANY Secret Service detail
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 09:41 PM
Oct 14

The law governing the United States Secret Service says that under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security the Secret Service is authorized to protect, not required to protect, various US Government officials.

If President Harris' Secretary of Homeland Security directs that Trump's security is now the responsibility of the Bureau of Prisons, no Secret Service agent has to sit outside his cell watching him soil his nappies and slam back bags of Whole Shabang Chips all day long.

DENVERPOPS

(10,200 posts)
70. Can you imagine Trump
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:04 PM
Oct 14

having to remove his own diapers, clean himself, and sit with the diaper in his small cell trash can until trash time????????
AND also.....no Adderall or any other drug......no cell phone, no internet, no phone/calls.......

jmowreader

(51,639 posts)
76. It would be exceptionally hilarious
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:58 AM
Oct 15

However, that's not the kind of prison he's going to. There are special hospital prisons called Federal Medical Centers.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
20. Too many Americans can't believe they could ever be a third world gulag nation.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:17 PM
Oct 14

It's that lack of imagination, of perception that pre-war Germans had for their fatherland.

Klarkashton

(2,323 posts)
25. First there was 9/11 and then Covid. Those have
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:25 PM
Oct 14

Softened the brains of 48% of the population.

mchill

(1,100 posts)
26. It's horrible, but I honestly think MAGAs like this
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:29 PM
Oct 14

And don’t care how illegal or immoral it is.

bucolic_frolic

(47,696 posts)
29. Walz is amazing, he can read a situation and describe plain as day
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:36 PM
Oct 14

in terms that anyone can understand. And he does it on the fly.

Andy823

(11,533 posts)
33. It has always been this way with trump.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:38 PM
Oct 14

It is always us against them, and it always will be. His job for putin has always been to dived this country, and then once trump is in office, it will be putin who takes over and controls trump.

He has no plans to work together, no plans to help anyone but himself, and no plans to ever have another election! If we want to save our democracy we have to get out and vote like never before. We can do it and we can make sure that this lying loser will never see the the inside of the Whitehouse, only the inside of prison for tall the things he has done.

Justice matters.

(7,614 posts)
37. I think the "history" is not known by a lot of millenials, I mean the brainwashed magats
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:56 PM
Oct 14

The "history" should be "explained" to them, since it seems like they have no clue about it.

Justice matters.

(7,614 posts)
67. Still 30% magats who approve his obvious fascism :(
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 10:05 PM
Oct 14

They forgot the "Never Forget" pledge at the end of WWII or they don't know what happened and don't care.

Mariana

(15,210 posts)
71. I think you're focusing on the wrong age group.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:20 PM
Oct 14

Looks like the majority of the people over 50 approve his obvious fascism. They forgot the "Never Forget" pledge at the end of WWII or they don't know what happened and don't care.



https://www.pellcenter.org/harris-leads-trump-by-4-nationally-but-with-wide-variation-by-age-ethnicity-and-u-s-regional-cultures/

Justice matters.

(7,614 posts)
75. That's the reagan "yuppies" who got brainwashed by his trickle-down bs lies
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:51 AM
Oct 15

And they are about to vote for their Social Security benefits to get cut down and handed to billionaires to play with, thanks to hate radio and extreme right-wing propaganda lies, not to mention the end of Obamacare...

They are even worse than the 30% magat group that support the convicted felon's fascism without knowing exactly what fascism is.

augyboston

(275 posts)
77. I'm a senior and I am ashamed that people in my age group...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:23 AM
Oct 15

I am a senior and I am ashamed that people in my age group; whose parents fought against Hitler and the Nazis, support this MAGA crap.

When some Republicans say that the "bad guys won in World War II", I become enraged. The courage, sacrifice and valor of those who stood tall against fascism and saved democracy are to be revered not denounced. These people are just despicable!

My mother and father must be rolling over in their graves.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
38. Hundreds of thousands of right-wingers died of covid,
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:04 PM
Oct 14

because the Right wanted a wedge issue over public health.

Let that sink in.

We're talking about people willing to sacrifice hordes of their faithful just to create chaos.

THAT is how low they have already gone.

How much further? How much more damage will they be willing to do?

THIS is who we're dealing with.

BattleRow

(1,256 posts)
40. Always prepare for a higher category
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:10 PM
Oct 14

hurricane than forecast.
Well,Derecho Donald and his comrades will be a Cat 6..

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
85. Wrong answer
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 09:52 PM
Oct 16

Did one of them infect one of my several friends who died of covid?

Think about what you're saying here...

bluestarone

(18,419 posts)
45. EXACTLY!
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:47 PM
Oct 14

The supreme court listening to this? Someone needs to make god Dam sure they heard it!!

OverBurn

(1,114 posts)
46. My first reaction to Trump being shot at, no I don't want it to happen like that, now I wish the idiot hadn't missed.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:49 PM
Oct 14

What a horrible horrible person he is. This sorry excuse needs to be 6ft under. I talked to several trump cult members at a cookout recently. They live in a different reality, it is unbelievable. They actually think he doesn't lie, gets things done. They say everything he said he would do, he did. They think he stopped Obama Care and Biden brought it back. Even after I told them just a few days ago Vance hilariously said trump saved it. You tell them facts, they look at you like you have two heads, I just want to scream. Fucking Idiots.

OrlandoDem2

(2,337 posts)
57. With immunity thanks to the fascist scotus Trump could say he's acting in the area of
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:34 PM
Oct 14

official presidential duties. Don’t think for a minute he wouldn’t.

Baron2024

(263 posts)
60. Active Resistance
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:50 PM
Oct 14

If Trump gets back in office and suspends the Constitution he would no longer be the legitimate President. He would be an unlawful Dictator. The President's authority derives from the Constitution. No Constitution, no authority. We are loyal to the country and the Constitution, not any one person. Anyone in the Federal Government or the Military that is not loyal to their oath to defend the Constitution should be legally removed. If Trump takes over and tries to suspend the Constitution, everyone in the Military, the Federal Government, and also just Citizens loyal to the Constitution would be called upon to rise up and Actively Resist the illegal Trump Regime.

ailsagirl

(23,891 posts)
65. He's certainly adept at digging his own grave
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:52 PM
Oct 14
That's one thing cheato does well. He's downright certifiable.

Martin68

(24,773 posts)
78. I know that the Justice Department and law enforcement tread very cautiously around campaign statements, but
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 09:05 AM
Oct 15

it seems to me Trump is making statements that if issued by anybody else would incur an investigation and a possible arrest. Like telling a crowd to beat up a protestor.

Initech

(102,595 posts)
80. That is some seriously scary shit.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 10:48 AM
Oct 15

I've been called paranoid because I think that Trump would be capable of doing this. But believe me, he is. And all of the worst things that would encompass a second Trump term would happen if he's given a complicit Congress and SCOTUS. And he would have Fox News cheerleading and kissing his ass on every single move he makes. I see Trump and I see a man who is capable of great destruction to this country.

applegrove

(123,699 posts)
81. I find the MAGAs throw around the paranoid label
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 11:25 AM
Oct 15

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when they want to shut you up online. It is like clockwork that if you make a good point on a mixed board you will be labeled as paranoid. But call them part of a cult and you'll get booted from the discussion forum.

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