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applegrove

(125,410 posts)
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:34 PM Oct 2024

Gov. Walz: Trump just crossed a line that I have to tell you, in my lifetime, I would have never imagined. He said he


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Gov. Walz: Trump just crossed a line that I have to tell you, in my lifetime, I would have never imagined. He said he would deploy the military against Americans who disagree with him. He called it the 'enemy within.' To Donald Trump, anybody who doesn't agree with him is the enemy. We need to put this guy behind us

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Gov. Walz: Trump just crossed a line that I have to tell you, in my lifetime, I would have never imagined. He said he (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2024 OP
Some people still don't seem to understand with whom they're dealing Fullduplexxx Oct 2024 #1
Yes, there Is no low they will not go. flying_wahini Oct 2024 #3
"the enemy within" maximum projection Justice matters. Oct 2024 #28
I think you are right and we are really going to be shocked more by the day. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #43
They do understand and they love it. They're deplorable and worthless. Lucky Luciano Oct 2024 #58
Not just a "red line." There are f-ing laws against using the military domestically. Sogo Oct 2024 #2
What's to stop him if he did it? Klarkashton Oct 2024 #4
Nothing. WestMichRad Oct 2024 #8
Once he declares the Constitution null and void... AZ8theist Oct 2024 #55
The military itself, providing it hasn't all been taken over by Trump cultists. Sogo Oct 2024 #18
He could simply fire the whole high command. Klarkashton Oct 2024 #23
+1, the big story would be TFG **NOT*** firing the high command on day one uponit7771 Oct 2024 #48
According to the UCMJ The Wizard Oct 2024 #30
That's why the oath of office COL Mustard Oct 2024 #49
Only the Officer's Oath pfitz59 Oct 2024 #72
Correct. COL Mustard Oct 2024 #73
They do and hopefully... Wuddles440 Oct 2024 #31
I fear we have a divided military orthoclad Oct 2024 #36
Exactly. One word: B.See Oct 2024 #64
Per the corrupt SCOTUS, evolves Oct 2024 #7
Laws? Since when those laws ever stopped the convicted felon to get what he wants? Justice matters. Oct 2024 #32
When have laws stopped him? orthoclad Oct 2024 #35
Active Resistance Baron2024 Oct 2024 #59
We need to put this guy behind Mc Mike Oct 2024 #5
I bet TommyT139 Oct 2024 #10
Agreed, Tommy. rec, nt. Mc Mike Oct 2024 #12
I don't know how much more flagrant he can be DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #6
Sedition. Insurrection? Guess it's all just protected free speech. Poisoning the blood? Enemy from within? All good Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #13
They have a ton of words DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #14
Indeed and it is rampant. Never seen it so out in the open. We know who is responsible (mostly). I'm sure others Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #16
Elon is all-in for trump. birdographer Oct 2024 #41
Eloon is all in for Fascism too. magicarpet Oct 2024 #52
Indeed Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #63
Just "Trump being Trump" is the usual apologist remark. Beartracks Oct 2024 #21
extremely. What Stephen Miller et al put on his teleprompter is right from Goebell's playbook. MSM says....almost nothin Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #27
Scary. One of my worst fears coming true. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2024 #9
"We need this guy behind us." True. And Behind BARS. And take his damn phone so he can ponder his worthless life. Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #11
Trump DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #15
I endorse this message. And Kushner got 2 billion from the Saudis for helping cover up Khasoggi's murder. MSM yawned. Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #19
Would we save money not having to pay for a big SS detail if he's in prison? Beartracks Oct 2024 #24
Just 3 agents on 8-hour rotations and a chair outside of the locked up door. Justice matters. Oct 2024 #34
they would not need SS DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #69
Or ANY Secret Service detail jmowreader Oct 2024 #66
Can you imagine Trump DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #70
It would be exceptionally hilarious jmowreader Oct 2024 #76
He and his criminal buddies need to be behind bars not behind us. Clouds Passing Oct 2024 #17
Too many Americans can't believe they could ever be a third world gulag nation. jaxexpat Oct 2024 #20
First there was 9/11 and then Covid. Those have Klarkashton Oct 2024 #25
Limbaugh jaxexpat Oct 2024 #44
And ALL the wannabe blowhards who've followed him. calimary Oct 2024 #74
Isn't that what was termed "The Good German?" BattleRow Oct 2024 #39
Thank you Gov Walz, if only our media would point this out. spanone Oct 2024 #22
It's horrible, but I honestly think MAGAs like this mchill Oct 2024 #26
Walz is amazing, he can read a situation and describe plain as day bucolic_frolic Oct 2024 #29
It has always been this way with trump. Andy823 Oct 2024 #33
I think the "history" is not known by a lot of millenials, I mean the brainwashed magats Justice matters. Oct 2024 #37
The anti-intellectuals don't care JoseBalow Oct 2024 #47
A new poll of young voters shows Harris with a commanding 31 point lead over Trump Mariana Oct 2024 #53
Still 30% magats who approve his obvious fascism :( Justice matters. Oct 2024 #67
I think you're focusing on the wrong age group. Mariana Oct 2024 #71
That's the reagan "yuppies" who got brainwashed by his trickle-down bs lies Justice matters. Oct 2024 #75
I'm a senior and I am ashamed that people in my age group... augyboston Oct 2024 #77
Some people will jump at any excuse to hate on Millennials and Gen Z. Mariana Oct 2024 #79
Hundreds of thousands of right-wingers died of covid, orthoclad Oct 2024 #38
Always prepare for a higher category BattleRow Oct 2024 #40
The up side is, they can't vote any more. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2024 #51
Wrong answer orthoclad Oct 2024 #85
We do need to put him behind us birdographer Oct 2024 #42
EXACTLY! bluestarone Oct 2024 #45
My first reaction to Trump being shot at, no I don't want it to happen like that, now I wish the idiot hadn't missed. OverBurn Oct 2024 #46
Under us would be better. niyad Oct 2024 #50
As in 6' under WestMichRad Oct 2024 #54
I wa thinking more like 12 feet. . niyad Oct 2024 #56
With immunity thanks to the fascist scotus Trump could say he's acting in the area of OrlandoDem2 Oct 2024 #57
Active Resistance Baron2024 Oct 2024 #60
Like National Guard troops on college campuses? progressoid Oct 2024 #61
That's beyond weird, it's treason! Emile Oct 2024 #62
He's certainly adept at digging his own grave ailsagirl Oct 2024 #65
K&R Blue Owl Oct 2024 #68
I know that the Justice Department and law enforcement tread very cautiously around campaign statements, but Martin68 Oct 2024 #78
That is some seriously scary shit. Initech Oct 2024 #80
I find the MAGAs throw around the paranoid label applegrove Oct 2024 #81
Crossed that line long ago. usonian Oct 2024 #82
As Trump himself so often reminds us, sometimes you have to flush twice ProfessorPlum Oct 2024 #83
Read it and weep for this country. republianmushroom Oct 2024 #84

Fullduplexxx

(8,440 posts)
1. Some people still don't seem to understand with whom they're dealing
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:36 PM
Oct 2024

There is no low to trump . There are no lines .

Justice matters.

(8,229 posts)
28. "the enemy within" maximum projection
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:34 PM
Oct 2024

maximum desperate projection on others who disagree with him because he unconsciously hates actually being the enemy within propped up by Putin since three decades!

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
43. I think you are right and we are really going to be shocked more by the day.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:33 PM
Oct 2024

I’m sure we don’t even know the half. I’m expecting him to drop the word, knowing those vile fuckers who support him will love it.

Sogo

(6,153 posts)
2. Not just a "red line." There are f-ing laws against using the military domestically.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:36 PM
Oct 2024

Orange Asshole!!!!

WestMichRad

(2,193 posts)
8. Nothing.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:53 PM
Oct 2024

Since he wants to be dictator on day one, he’d start by declaring the constitution null and void. And this edition of the SCOTUS Six would opine that there’s nothing in the constitution that says he can’t do that…

AZ8theist

(6,676 posts)
55. Once he declares the Constitution null and void...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:28 PM
Oct 2024

The Supreme Court becomes irrelevant. He would have no need or use for them anymore.

Sogo

(6,153 posts)
18. The military itself, providing it hasn't all been taken over by Trump cultists.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:16 PM
Oct 2024

They take an oath to defend the Constitution, not a particular person. I believe they have a duty to not obey unlawful orders....

COL Mustard

(7,314 posts)
49. That's why the oath of office
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:03 PM
Oct 2024

Doesn’t contain the phrase about obeying the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me.

COL Mustard

(7,314 posts)
73. Correct.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 01:22 AM
Oct 2024

Officers have a moral obligation to not accept or obey illegal orders. The flip side of that is that they also have a moral obligation to protect their subordinates from receiving an illegal order.

Wuddles440

(1,671 posts)
31. They do and hopefully...
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:37 PM
Oct 2024

most will honor it, but the potential for chaos perpetrated by his loyalist in the military is a real concern.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
36. I fear we have a divided military
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:51 PM
Oct 2024

T has always tried to appeal to the ones with guns.

Justice matters.

(8,229 posts)
32. Laws? Since when those laws ever stopped the convicted felon to get what he wants?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:37 PM
Oct 2024

Well, since never, but that remains to be seen when he will lose.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
35. When have laws stopped him?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:49 PM
Oct 2024

He's been criming since the minute he was sworn in - at the very least, the emoluments clause.

If he seizes power, I honestly don't know what will stop him.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
59. Active Resistance
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:44 PM
Oct 2024

If Trump gets back in office and suspends the Constitution he would no longer be the legitimate President. He would be an unlawful Dictator. The President's authority derives from the Constitution. No Constitution, no authority. We are loyal to the country and the Constitution, not any one person. Anyone in the Federal Government or the Military that is not loyal to their oath to defend the Constitution should be legally removed. If Trump takes over and tries to suspend the Constitution, everyone in the Military, the Federal Government, and also just Citizens loyal to the Constitution would be called upon to rise up and Actively Resist the illegal Trump Regime.

Mc Mike

(9,216 posts)
5. We need to put this guy behind
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:43 PM
Oct 2024

bars.

For the rest of his hopefully long and miserable life.

TommyT139

(1,123 posts)
10. I bet
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:56 PM
Oct 2024

I bet Tim Walz chose his words carefully, knowing what we're all thinking. Keep ears open for him to say "behind us" at a rally, and then listen for what the crowd shouts back.

DENVERPOPS

(11,591 posts)
6. I don't know how much more flagrant he can be
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:49 PM
Oct 2024

Or when he has said at his rallies: If I don't win, there will be blood shed........

Or countless other things that would normally be considered to be "Inciting A Riot".........

Evolve Dammit

(20,429 posts)
13. Sedition. Insurrection? Guess it's all just protected free speech. Poisoning the blood? Enemy from within? All good
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:59 PM
Oct 2024

Evolve Dammit

(20,429 posts)
16. Indeed and it is rampant. Never seen it so out in the open. We know who is responsible (mostly). I'm sure others
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:12 PM
Oct 2024

are funding, promoting and encouraging, cuz they are Nazis too.
Need to be ready. No Malarkey. And no fascist fucks. Period.

magicarpet

(17,896 posts)
52. Eloon is all in for Fascism too.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:20 PM
Oct 2024

They see Fascism as an express highway to achieve zero restraints hyper-capitalism. Self enrichment on hyper drive.

Beartracks

(13,835 posts)
21. Just "Trump being Trump" is the usual apologist remark.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:21 PM
Oct 2024

WTF that's dumb and lazy.

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Evolve Dammit

(20,429 posts)
27. extremely. What Stephen Miller et al put on his teleprompter is right from Goebell's playbook. MSM says....almost nothin
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:34 PM
Oct 2024

Evolve Dammit

(20,429 posts)
11. "We need this guy behind us." True. And Behind BARS. And take his damn phone so he can ponder his worthless life.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 03:57 PM
Oct 2024

DENVERPOPS

(11,591 posts)
15. Trump
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:06 PM
Oct 2024

his spawn, Jared, and hundreds of others in his administration, advisors and cabinet posts should be in Colorado's SuperMax.

After six months, McVeigh begged the court to give him the death penalty, saying Super Max was far worse than death.
Absolutely no contact with the outside world forever, sitting alone in a soundproof cell, all meals just shoved thru the door, no contact with other prisoners, Guards will not talk to you.......

Evolve Dammit

(20,429 posts)
19. I endorse this message. And Kushner got 2 billion from the Saudis for helping cover up Khasoggi's murder. MSM yawned.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:16 PM
Oct 2024

Sorry. A bit of a tangent..

Beartracks

(13,835 posts)
24. Would we save money not having to pay for a big SS detail if he's in prison?
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:23 PM
Oct 2024

Genuinely curious.

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DENVERPOPS

(11,591 posts)
69. they would not need SS
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:00 AM
Oct 2024

Double door on each cell...............absolutely positively no way to get out, or anyone can get in.

unquestionably an escape free prison.......Reserved only for the worst of the worst. Two guards take you out of the cell for a half hour a day, to exercise or shower, then back in......the entire time you are in the complex, you can only see the sky, no view of the mountains or anything on ground level. All meals are shoved thru a slot in the inside cell door.......

The perfect definition of rotting in your cell until you die........

jmowreader

(52,066 posts)
66. Or ANY Secret Service detail
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 10:41 PM
Oct 2024

The law governing the United States Secret Service says that under the direction of the Secretary of Homeland Security the Secret Service is authorized to protect, not required to protect, various US Government officials.

If President Harris' Secretary of Homeland Security directs that Trump's security is now the responsibility of the Bureau of Prisons, no Secret Service agent has to sit outside his cell watching him soil his nappies and slam back bags of Whole Shabang Chips all day long.

DENVERPOPS

(11,591 posts)
70. Can you imagine Trump
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:04 AM
Oct 2024

having to remove his own diapers, clean himself, and sit with the diaper in his small cell trash can until trash time????????
AND also.....no Adderall or any other drug......no cell phone, no internet, no phone/calls.......

jmowreader

(52,066 posts)
76. It would be exceptionally hilarious
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 01:58 AM
Oct 2024

However, that's not the kind of prison he's going to. There are special hospital prisons called Federal Medical Centers.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
20. Too many Americans can't believe they could ever be a third world gulag nation.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:17 PM
Oct 2024

It's that lack of imagination, of perception that pre-war Germans had for their fatherland.

Klarkashton

(3,237 posts)
25. First there was 9/11 and then Covid. Those have
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:25 PM
Oct 2024

Softened the brains of 48% of the population.

mchill

(1,158 posts)
26. It's horrible, but I honestly think MAGAs like this
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:29 PM
Oct 2024

And don’t care how illegal or immoral it is.

bucolic_frolic

(49,516 posts)
29. Walz is amazing, he can read a situation and describe plain as day
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:36 PM
Oct 2024

in terms that anyone can understand. And he does it on the fly.

Andy823

(11,549 posts)
33. It has always been this way with trump.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:38 PM
Oct 2024

It is always us against them, and it always will be. His job for putin has always been to dived this country, and then once trump is in office, it will be putin who takes over and controls trump.

He has no plans to work together, no plans to help anyone but himself, and no plans to ever have another election! If we want to save our democracy we have to get out and vote like never before. We can do it and we can make sure that this lying loser will never see the the inside of the Whitehouse, only the inside of prison for tall the things he has done.

Justice matters.

(8,229 posts)
37. I think the "history" is not known by a lot of millenials, I mean the brainwashed magats
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 04:56 PM
Oct 2024

The "history" should be "explained" to them, since it seems like they have no clue about it.

Justice matters.

(8,229 posts)
67. Still 30% magats who approve his obvious fascism :(
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 11:05 PM
Oct 2024

They forgot the "Never Forget" pledge at the end of WWII or they don't know what happened and don't care.

Mariana

(15,476 posts)
71. I think you're focusing on the wrong age group.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:20 AM
Oct 2024

Looks like the majority of the people over 50 approve his obvious fascism. They forgot the "Never Forget" pledge at the end of WWII or they don't know what happened and don't care.



https://www.pellcenter.org/harris-leads-trump-by-4-nationally-but-with-wide-variation-by-age-ethnicity-and-u-s-regional-cultures/

Justice matters.

(8,229 posts)
75. That's the reagan "yuppies" who got brainwashed by his trickle-down bs lies
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 01:51 AM
Oct 2024

And they are about to vote for their Social Security benefits to get cut down and handed to billionaires to play with, thanks to hate radio and extreme right-wing propaganda lies, not to mention the end of Obamacare...

They are even worse than the 30% magat group that support the convicted felon's fascism without knowing exactly what fascism is.

augyboston

(320 posts)
77. I'm a senior and I am ashamed that people in my age group...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 07:23 AM
Oct 2024

I am a senior and I am ashamed that people in my age group; whose parents fought against Hitler and the Nazis, support this MAGA crap.

When some Republicans say that the "bad guys won in World War II", I become enraged. The courage, sacrifice and valor of those who stood tall against fascism and saved democracy are to be revered not denounced. These people are just despicable!

My mother and father must be rolling over in their graves.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
38. Hundreds of thousands of right-wingers died of covid,
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:04 PM
Oct 2024

because the Right wanted a wedge issue over public health.

Let that sink in.

We're talking about people willing to sacrifice hordes of their faithful just to create chaos.

THAT is how low they have already gone.

How much further? How much more damage will they be willing to do?

THIS is who we're dealing with.

BattleRow

(1,547 posts)
40. Always prepare for a higher category
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:10 PM
Oct 2024

hurricane than forecast.
Well,Derecho Donald and his comrades will be a Cat 6..

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
85. Wrong answer
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 10:52 PM
Oct 2024

Did one of them infect one of my several friends who died of covid?

Think about what you're saying here...

bluestarone

(19,350 posts)
45. EXACTLY!
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:47 PM
Oct 2024

The supreme court listening to this? Someone needs to make god Dam sure they heard it!!

OverBurn

(1,170 posts)
46. My first reaction to Trump being shot at, no I don't want it to happen like that, now I wish the idiot hadn't missed.
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 05:49 PM
Oct 2024

What a horrible horrible person he is. This sorry excuse needs to be 6ft under. I talked to several trump cult members at a cookout recently. They live in a different reality, it is unbelievable. They actually think he doesn't lie, gets things done. They say everything he said he would do, he did. They think he stopped Obama Care and Biden brought it back. Even after I told them just a few days ago Vance hilariously said trump saved it. You tell them facts, they look at you like you have two heads, I just want to scream. Fucking Idiots.

OrlandoDem2

(2,664 posts)
57. With immunity thanks to the fascist scotus Trump could say he's acting in the area of
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:34 PM
Oct 2024

official presidential duties. Don’t think for a minute he wouldn’t.

 

Baron2024

(1,492 posts)
60. Active Resistance
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 06:50 PM
Oct 2024

If Trump gets back in office and suspends the Constitution he would no longer be the legitimate President. He would be an unlawful Dictator. The President's authority derives from the Constitution. No Constitution, no authority. We are loyal to the country and the Constitution, not any one person. Anyone in the Federal Government or the Military that is not loyal to their oath to defend the Constitution should be legally removed. If Trump takes over and tries to suspend the Constitution, everyone in the Military, the Federal Government, and also just Citizens loyal to the Constitution would be called upon to rise up and Actively Resist the illegal Trump Regime.

ailsagirl

(24,067 posts)
65. He's certainly adept at digging his own grave
Mon Oct 14, 2024, 07:52 PM
Oct 2024
That's one thing cheato does well. He's downright certifiable.

Martin68

(25,284 posts)
78. I know that the Justice Department and law enforcement tread very cautiously around campaign statements, but
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 10:05 AM
Oct 2024

it seems to me Trump is making statements that if issued by anybody else would incur an investigation and a possible arrest. Like telling a crowd to beat up a protestor.

Initech

(104,400 posts)
80. That is some seriously scary shit.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 11:48 AM
Oct 2024

I've been called paranoid because I think that Trump would be capable of doing this. But believe me, he is. And all of the worst things that would encompass a second Trump term would happen if he's given a complicit Congress and SCOTUS. And he would have Fox News cheerleading and kissing his ass on every single move he makes. I see Trump and I see a man who is capable of great destruction to this country.

applegrove

(125,410 posts)
81. I find the MAGAs throw around the paranoid label
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:25 PM
Oct 2024

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when they want to shut you up online. It is like clockwork that if you make a good point on a mixed board you will be labeled as paranoid. But call them part of a cult and you'll get booted from the discussion forum.

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