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SweepPicker

(268 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 09:09 AM Tuesday

Immigration and blue collar workers

is not being discussed as it should from the Harris camp. I know I'll get flak because of my opinion, but I have a voice in this as well.

From what I can see, many people on DU are white collar workers, retirees, etc. Myself, I'm a blue collar hands on guy who has built (with the help of many others) a small drywall and painting business on the Eastern Shore of MD. What I lack in education, I make up for with street smarts, perception and 40 year's of dealing with many types of people.

My little area where I work and live is being overrun by the undocumented. They started flooding my area after the last presidential election. Everywhere you look in the trades with the exception of electrical and plumbing, they're taking over. They're also working in some factories here and I'm not sure how they get away with hiring them unless its through temp agencies and I'm not sure how that even works.

While I feel sorry for them because of the countries they've escaped from are brutal s**tholes, they're hurting businesses in my area and beyond. What's funny is the homes I've been underbid on now have Harris or Walz signs in their yards. No, its not just Liberals hiring them, the mean guys supporters are hiring them as well.

Just as Trump has emboldened his supporters to say and do crazy thing's, our side has emboldened the undocumented to come into the country easier than during the Trump reign because they were afraid of him and his policies. The immigration crisis hurts our side. I've heard it in the paint stores, hardware stores, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. People who came to the USA legally are unhappy with this issue and many say they'll vote for the other guy because of the work they are losing by the cheaper undocumented and unlicensed "contractors"

Hopefully many of you will understand my and many others frustrations as we try to make a living out here. Those of us born and raised in the USA do yard work, work on your homes, etc. Yet we hear the cries of "they do the work others won't do". Not entirely true. It is much easier for someone to cross the border and acquire a job in construction, lawn work and factories than Goldman-Sachs, local state government, doctor, lawyer, General Motors, etc.

The next time you want to hire someone for a home or yard improvement project, ask that person if they're licensed, ask that person do you carry liability and workers compensation insurance. If they can't provide that documentation, send them packing. If they can produce a license and even a drivers license, that doesn't mean they're legally in the country. Our state government gives the undocumented drivers licenses and home improvement licenses if they can pass the tests. That right there should not be allowed in this country. It is one more thing that makes it easier for them to come to the USA. Please come, legally. Fix this broken system...

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Immigration and blue collar workers (Original Post) SweepPicker Tuesday OP
Yeah, I've heard that junk before. It was first used against Blacks. Then by trump in 2016, 2020, and again. Silent Type Tuesday #1
Fair point JustAnotherGen Tuesday #3
My husband is an immigrant JustAnotherGen Tuesday #2
A simple solution to the problem that's worked before. Ping Tung Tuesday #4
There have been progressively fewer undocumented immigrants haele Tuesday #5

Silent Type

(5,977 posts)
1. Yeah, I've heard that junk before. It was first used against Blacks. Then by trump in 2016, 2020, and again.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 10:31 AM
Tuesday

Sorry.

JustAnotherGen

(33,208 posts)
3. Fair point
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 11:03 AM
Tuesday

Reminds me of my dad's father in 1921 - recent Morehouse Grad. He wanted to be a stock broker. Went up to NYC from Alabama and was continuously told we already have:

An Irish
A Catholic
A Jewish Person
A Colored.

I give my Granddaddy a ton of credit for even trying as a black man - to get in the door.

JustAnotherGen

(33,208 posts)
2. My husband is an immigrant
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 11:01 AM
Tuesday

He's owned several businesses - turning his last one into a workers co-op. They were an Plumbing, Masonry, HVAC and an Iron Works.

He now has shifted back to working on strictly private high dollar clients and his artwork (Juried Artist). He came to America to get away from the constant Saints Days in Italy - and started with his Iron Works/Metal Art and Unesco Certified Metal Restoration Specialist. Think the restoration work at the Hamilton building in NYC.

Here's the thing - he didn't want the other businesses. He came into those businesses due to licenses received in Italy - and connections to other contractors.

No one is hand turning custom made gates and fences anymore. Or railings. Artists? Yes. But they don't have his name.

He didn't take a job from anyone. He's started businesses - legit. On the Green Card he had when his dad came here in 1973 as a structural engineer on the WTC. Know why he was picked? He was trained to build buildings to withstand bombing - like he experienced as a child of war in Italy.

Just as my husband took a big chunk of change last month from Alina Habba's father for custom work - you need to swallow hard and take the money.

All of that said - when my husband was a green card holder (became a citizen in 2020 because he thought 45 might win - and take everything we've worked hard for and given it to some undeserving nobody from nowhere) - he could not hire undocumented workers - for fear of losing his own status.

I put the blame on the employers. Your peers are being dirt bags and using people because they know they can get away with paying them less. And that's the problem - your peers.

Ping Tung

(1,152 posts)
4. A simple solution to the problem that's worked before.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 11:54 AM
Tuesday

Give all the "illegals" citizenship and direct them to the nearest union office.

My mother and her sisters were immigrants that came here to steal jobs as maids and cleaning ladies from REAL Americans.

haele

(13,329 posts)
5. There have been progressively fewer undocumented immigrants
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 03:48 PM
Tuesday

Over the past 3 years. The latest border bill proposal would have reduced it even further.
The problem isn't the immigrants, it's the employers hiring them.
It's the US-based recruiting groups that have their coyotes find foreign people desperate for honest work - or head back to the poor villages and find families of undocumented workers already here to come over and work in a "relatively safe" environment not under the thumb of cartels.
Too many Blue collar type businesses and managers don't want to take the time to train workers under EEO, OSHA, or DoL regulations for their industries, or per union requirements. They just want to stick a fungible body next a machine for as long as they need to, pay that body as little as possible to get the needed work out of them. and they don't want to hear boo from that body about working conditions.
The undocumented worker isn't willfully undercutting willing and able Blue collar workers. The business hiring the undocumented workers when there are plenty of willing and able citizen workers available.
Perhaps we should be looking at a Canadian film commission type process where US Citizens need to be "first in line" for all hiring and work contracts, there be a program similar to the old braceros program where otherwise undocumented migrants can apply for short term or seasonal work permits and there be a stronger enforcement of labor laws.

Haele

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