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"He's not really serious about the Jews" (Original Post) edhopper Oct 15 OP
Hitler wasn't initially taken seriously, Mussolini wasn't initially taken seriously... DSandra Oct 15 #1
This was absolutely said by many Prairie Gates Oct 15 #2
New York Times: dalton99a Oct 15 #3
It really is surreal seeing the stuff written about the Nazis before 1933 ck4829 Oct 15 #4
Ernst Rohm was one of Hitler's BFFs and was gay obamanut2012 Oct 15 #5
+1 dalton99a Oct 15 #6
Actually yes 0rganism Oct 15 #7
And here we are almost 100 years later... Behind the Aegis Oct 15 #8

DSandra

(1,286 posts)
1. Hitler wasn't initially taken seriously, Mussolini wasn't initially taken seriously...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 01:55 PM
Oct 15

And yet each of them made immense damage.

Prairie Gates

(3,542 posts)
2. This was absolutely said by many
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 01:56 PM
Oct 15

Including many Jews, and including major press organs in the United States. The record of it is extensive.

dalton99a

(84,831 posts)
3. New York Times:
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 01:57 PM
Oct 15

November 21, 1922

He is credibly credited with being actuated by lofty, unselfish patriotism. He probably does not know himself just what he wants to accomplish. The keynote of his propaganda in speaking and writing is violent anti-Semitism. His followers are nicknamed the “Hakenkreuzler.” So violent are Hitler’s fulminations against the Jews that a number of prominent Jewish citizens are reported to have sought safe asylums in the Bavarian highlands, easily reached by fast motor cars, whence they could hurry their women and children when forewarned of an anti-Semitic St. Bartholomew’s night.

But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.

A sophisticated politician credited Hitler with peculiar political cleverness for laying emphasis and over-emphasis on anti-Semitism, saying: “You can’t expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims. You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them.”



ck4829

(36,107 posts)
4. It really is surreal seeing the stuff written about the Nazis before 1933
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 02:07 PM
Oct 15

I remember a National Geographic describing them as innocuously as just another political faction, despite the unified marching and banners hanging down from the walls.

I think it was people *knew* something was wrong, very wrong, with this group, but everyone wanted to just pretend they were just another political party. A collective case of “don’t trust your eyes, don’t trust your ears, don’t trust your gut”

And here we are again… don’t trust your eyes, don’t trust your ears, don’t trust your gut

dalton99a

(84,831 posts)
6. +1
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 02:29 PM
Oct 15
On 30 June 1934, Hitler and a large group of SS and regular police flew to Munich and arrived between 06:00 and 07:00 at Hanselbauer Hotel in Bad Wiessee, where Röhm and his followers were staying.[64] With Hitler's early arrival, the SA leadership, still in bed, were taken by surprise. SS men stormed the hotel and Hitler personally placed Röhm and other high-ranking SA leaders under arrest. According to Erich Kempka, Hitler turned Röhm over to "two detectives holding pistols with the safety catch off". The SS found Breslau SA leader Edmund Heines in bed with an unidentified eighteen-year-old male SA senior troop leader.[65] Goebbels emphasised this aspect in subsequent Nazi propaganda, justifying the purge as a crackdown on moral turpitude.[58] Kempka said in a 1946 interview that Hitler ordered both Heines and his partner taken outside of the hotel and shot.[66] Meanwhile, the SS arrested the other SA leaders as they left their train for the planned meeting with Röhm and Hitler.[67]

On 1 July 1934, SS-Brigadeführer Theodor Eicke (later commandant of the Dachau concentration camp) and SS-Obersturmbannführer Michael Lippert visited Röhm. Once inside Röhm's cell, they handed him a Browning pistol loaded with a single cartridge and told him he had ten minutes to kill himself or they would do it for him. Röhm demurred, telling them, "If I am to be killed, let Adolf do it himself."[66] Having heard nothing in the allotted time, Eicke and Lippert returned to Röhm's cell at 14:50 to find him standing, with his bare chest puffed out in a gesture of defiance.[71] Eicke and Lippert then shot and killed Röhm.[72][c] SA-Obergruppenführer Viktor Lutze, who had been spying on Röhm, was named as the new Stabschef (SA).[74]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm

0rganism

(24,741 posts)
7. Actually yes
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 02:35 PM
Oct 15

That it took less than a decade to go from "he's not serious" to high-capacity deathcamps should give all of us something to think about. What sort of creatures are we, anyway?

Behind the Aegis

(54,922 posts)
8. And here we are almost 100 years later...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 03:51 PM
Oct 15

...and that still holds true in many circles and is has become little more than a "punchline".

History. ***sigh***

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