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JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 04:56 PM Oct 15

Listening to VP Harris on Charlamagne, if the callers are any indication of the views of the African American community,

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the pollsters and some pundits are full of it when they say that 10% less African Americans are supporting VP Harris then they did President Biden in 2020. Nonsense. There is no way15% or higher of the African Americans will support trump, and VP Harris will get at least as much support President Biden had in 2020, and I believe actually more.

VP Harris is doing terrific on the questions and answers. She is doing a lot of work with these callers correcting the misinformation that has been circulated.

One caller accusing her of playing "identity politics", and she responded absolutely not, and listing that before running for President how she worked to help fight against the discrimination against black Americans on issues such as being refused loans, or paying higher interest, etc.

If there is any undecided African Americans if they should or shouldn't vote, this Charlamagne town hall is going to help.






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Listening to VP Harris on Charlamagne, if the callers are any indication of the views of the African American community, (Original Post) JohnSJ Oct 15 OP
Listeners are asking some tough questions, and she's responding well. Silent Type Oct 15 #1
Absolutely. Comparing this to the crap trump was doing at the Chicago Economic Conference interview by Bloomberg is JohnSJ Oct 15 #3
"Identity politics" is pretty much what all the bigotry-baiting is all about unblock Oct 15 #2
and she wasn't baited by it either. She is so comfortable and competent, I really wish some of these undecided voters, JohnSJ Oct 15 #4
My view of those interviewed LiberalFighter Oct 15 #7
Maybe, but those questions were NOT softball questions, and they voiced real concerns. JohnSJ Oct 15 #8
It's also in the unfortunate framing of the discussion BaronChocula Oct 15 #25
So who is the person who called in about identity politics? duncang Oct 15 #5
It was a caller. The screener of the calls let it through. JohnSJ Oct 15 #6
Yeah, but I wouldn't doubt it was someone from his campaign. duncang Oct 15 #9
Regardless, in my view she was excellent. JohnSJ Oct 15 #10
TSF's "identity politics" is Fascist Morons. Cha Oct 15 #13
Of course she is & FO to the Pundits & Pollsters. Cha Oct 15 #11
Who has claimed Trump would get 95% of the Black vote? onenote Oct 15 #12
I think that was an oddly worded sentence whopis01 Oct 15 #15
Thanks, I screwed up, I meant 15% not 95%, and I don't believe that number either, but yes I do fell she will get JohnSJ Oct 15 #18
You are right, that was an error on my part. I meant 15%, and have self-corrected. JohnSJ Oct 15 #17
Listened to part of it on CNN Deminpenn Oct 15 #14
Charlemagne is an Ass Wiz Imp Oct 15 #16
She did do well. I listened on iHeart radio, and Charlemagne was not being an ass on this interview. In fact he was JohnSJ Oct 15 #19
He said a couple things Deminpenn Oct 15 #20
I don't know what CT stands for BUT BaronChocula Oct 15 #27
CT Conspiracy theory Deminpenn Oct 16 #35
He can be fine at times and then others he's a gigantic asshole. Overall I've never been impressed Wiz Imp Oct 15 #21
She did do so well. She was very relatable, accountable, intelligent. Nixie Oct 15 #22
I haven't been a big fan of his... appmanga Oct 15 #24
Just finished the replay here. Gods, she is brilliant. The only one who matches her is Buttegieg... Hekate Oct 15 #23
Amazingly smart,but rarely smart ass BattleRow Oct 15 #26
Did she ask CTG ... krkaufman Oct 15 #28
"...the pollsters and some pundits..." are employed by the Trump campaign. dchill Oct 15 #29
This is why I don't believe in polls. Dump has paid for..... Butterflylady Oct 15 #32
I read elsewhere that there were about 40 polls paid for ... dchill Oct 15 #34
JohnSJ, You're saying almost EXACTLY what I said in response to another post about how black men will refuse to vote The_REAL_Ecumenist Oct 15 #30
Without a doubt, and it will be African Americans that will win the election for Democrats in those critical states. JohnSJ Oct 15 #31
I agree. It's all bullshit.There are black pollsters who frequent Roland Martin that do not see what these pollsters say tulipsandroses Oct 15 #33
As a bonus RJ_MacReady Oct 16 #36

JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
3. Absolutely. Comparing this to the crap trump was doing at the Chicago Economic Conference interview by Bloomberg is
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 05:05 PM
Oct 15

night and day. He rambles, doesn't answer questions, lies and is all over the place.

She is so personable, it is hard for me to believe that the country has this many people supporting such a hateful, ugly man.

JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
4. and she wasn't baited by it either. She is so comfortable and competent, I really wish some of these undecided voters,
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 05:11 PM
Oct 15

especially among those supposed "young black men", if this conversation doesn't convince them that VP Harris has got their back, nothing will, but I think they will, and that false talking point that young black men are not enthusiastic about her, I don't buy it.

LiberalFighter

(53,508 posts)
7. My view of those interviewed
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 05:16 PM
Oct 15

The media selectively looked for someone that fit their reporting

BaronChocula

(2,522 posts)
25. It's also in the unfortunate framing of the discussion
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:40 PM
Oct 15

When talking about the specific black men in question, people tend to use the general term "black men" when in fact they aren't talking about Eric Holder, or, Derrick Pitts, or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or Walter Mosely, etc. They're talking about a small portion of the black community which does make a difference in close electoral margins, but the name clumping of "black men" is particularly unhelpful.

duncang

(3,722 posts)
5. So who is the person who called in about identity politics?
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 05:13 PM
Oct 15

Was it someone who works for tfg, RNC, ?

whopis01

(3,744 posts)
15. I think that was an oddly worded sentence
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 05:57 PM
Oct 15

I think the OP was trying to say that for 95% of Black voters there is no way that they would support Trump. Meaning that no more than 5% would support Trump.


People have posted polls claiming that the Black vote will be 78% for Harris (or something similar) and the OP is saying that at least 95% will support her. At least I think that’s what is being said.

JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
18. Thanks, I screwed up, I meant 15% not 95%, and I don't believe that number either, but yes I do fell she will get
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:08 PM
Oct 15

more support than Biden did, and it could be quite high.

Deminpenn

(16,347 posts)
14. Listened to part of it on CNN
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 05:54 PM
Oct 15

There were good questions, but slso a surprising amount of misinformation tinged with a bit of CT from both the host and the callers.

Harris gave detailed and thoughtful answers to the questions I heard. She did well.

Wiz Imp

(2,331 posts)
16. Charlemagne is an Ass
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:05 PM
Oct 15

He's sort of a Black Joe Rogan. If Kamala Harris did indeed perform well in this interview/town hall, then it would definitely be a big positive for her - probably reaching some people that otherwise might not be reached

JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
19. She did do well. I listened on iHeart radio, and Charlemagne was not being an ass on this interview. In fact he was
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:10 PM
Oct 15

supportive.

Deminpenn

(16,347 posts)
20. He said a couple things
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:15 PM
Oct 15

that were CT ish. Harris corrected those, but it made me wonder what he says to his listeners.

BaronChocula

(2,522 posts)
27. I don't know what CT stands for BUT
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:50 PM
Oct 15

When he asked his journalistically lazy question "what went wrong with immigration under you guys" the Vice President set him straight immediately. I kind of wish she had informed him that migration over what is now that border has been occurring over thousands of years throughout every presidential administration and it just so happens that crossings from the South began increasing during the previous administration. Outside of catastrophic means, you don't stop human physics on a dime.

Wiz Imp

(2,331 posts)
21. He can be fine at times and then others he's a gigantic asshole. Overall I've never been impressed
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:16 PM
Oct 15

I have no interest in listening to him. Anybody who calls himself "tha God" is clearly a narcissist himself.

I'm glad Kamala did well!

Nixie

(17,407 posts)
22. She did do so well. She was very relatable, accountable, intelligent.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:20 PM
Oct 15

She gave herself a huge advantage by going to that venue and engage those voters or potential voters.

I found Charlemagne to be a very engaging host. Not that I listen to him much to compare, but he seemed fair. It was interesting to listen to all the way around.

appmanga

(961 posts)
24. I haven't been a big fan of his...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:39 PM
Oct 15

...but he's become a lot more serious as his visibility has risen. It seems like he understands he has responsibility he didn't have years ago. There's nothing wrong with tough, fair questions for those who run for office, and especially questions to try to get beyond their talking points.

Hekate

(95,203 posts)
23. Just finished the replay here. Gods, she is brilliant. The only one who matches her is Buttegieg...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:36 PM
Oct 15

You know how we love Buttegieg here at DU? He’s so quick, so bright, has all the info at his fingertips, and never gets derailed?

Same with Kamala.

krkaufman

(13,755 posts)
28. Did she ask CTG ...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 06:57 PM
Oct 15

… if he thought they’d taken enough questions, and maybe they could just DJ some music tracks for the next 45 minutes?!?

Butterflylady

(4,010 posts)
32. This is why I don't believe in polls. Dump has paid for.....
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 07:54 PM
Oct 15

About 20 or more polls so they can say, see all these polls say I'm leading. Dump is laying the ground work to try to and convince the maggots he won.

dchill

(40,746 posts)
34. I read elsewhere that there were about 40 polls paid for ...
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 09:42 PM
Oct 15

...by the Trump campaign. And yes, it's all a hugely dishonest plan to claim fraud in the election. It's always their corruption that is the real fraud. They're committing pre-fraud. Building a house of cheat cards.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(889 posts)
30. JohnSJ, You're saying almost EXACTLY what I said in response to another post about how black men will refuse to vote
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 07:16 PM
Oct 15

for Kamala....because{{SHE'S A GIRL}}! As a member of the African diaspora, there's NO WAY IN HELL that enough black men, women, children or their pets would vote for that walking piece of garbage...NO WAY! Every group has mentally ill members, which would account for any of the knuckle dragging, mouth breathing useful idiots who, for whatever reason, would cast a vote for that crime against the Human Race. WE are not, as a group, STOOPID. Oragina has been open and above board, (probably the ONLY time he's been "honest & above board" about anything) and we believe he's is the abomination he has always been known to be.

Do NOT believe the claims that huge number of black men are breaking for trump, it ain't true. AS a black woman, I'm proud to say that WE are responsible for saving the country from out n'out facism & we will again. We'll vote for Kamala or anyone else who treats the working me, the poor, the elderly, children, the middle class, etc irregardless of the skin colour, the ethnic group they came from, ad nauseum. If a potential candidate stands up for treating people with respect, honour, kindness, etc, as a group, we'll vote for them but NOT for someone who has displayed disdain for us or anyone else, based on their ethnicity, language, religion, skin colour...NEVAH!

JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
31. Without a doubt, and it will be African Americans that will win the election for Democrats in those critical states.
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 07:22 PM
Oct 15

tulipsandroses

(6,239 posts)
33. I agree. It's all bullshit.There are black pollsters who frequent Roland Martin that do not see what these pollsters say
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 07:59 PM
Oct 15

Is there some apathy? Sure. But that does not mean that Apathy is going to make you vote for trump.
There has always been a certain number of men that vote republican. Like any other group of people, there are bigots, misogynists. That is not the vast majority of black men.
And it has to be said, that yes, some have grown despondent thinking that no matter which party is in power, nothing changes for them. Again, that does not mean voting for trump.

Like any other group, some are low information voters, some prone to believe disinformation and propaganda. I am so glad he asked her about the stimulus, because that is one the disinformation campaigns amongst low information voters. " trump gave us checks".

I think she should continue to do these types of interviews. Reach people where they are, and answer their questions. I think often, the media is focused on getting a soundbite, gotcha questions or trying to get her to respond to RW talking points. Everyday people have specific questions that are not talking points that they want answers to.


 

RJ_MacReady

(448 posts)
36. As a bonus
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 04:56 AM
Oct 16

This was a nice swipe at the NYT. No "exclusive" interview for that tabloid. I bet it really eats them up.

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