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lindysalsagal

(22,213 posts)
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 04:59 PM 8 hrs ago

PA: Last 8 polls that aren't winger compromised, Harris up 1.63

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/pennsylvania

I averaged the top 8 that aren't winger polls: Harris average 48.75 Tscf: 47.12

If you want the list of Winger polls:
American Greatness,
Daily Mail, co/efficent,
Cygnal,
Orbital Digital,
Echelon,
Emerson - National, AZ, NC, PAFabrizio,
Fox News,
Insider Advantage,
McLaughlin,
Mitchell Comms - MI
The Napolitan Institute.
Noble Predictive,
OnMessage - PA
Patriot Polling - PA
Public Opinion Stratgies,
Quantus,
Rasmussen,
Redfield & Wilton,
Remington,
RMG,
SoCal Data a
The Telegraph,
Texas Gun Rights -
TXTrafalgar,
TIPP,
Victory Insights,
Wall Street Journal


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PA: Last 8 polls that aren't winger compromised, Harris up 1.63 (Original Post) lindysalsagal 8 hrs ago OP
That's not great news. dem4decades 8 hrs ago #1
Please keep in mind that averaging polls reduces margin of error RidinWithHarris 4 hrs ago #8
Neither Fox News nor the Wall Street Journal uses biased polls dsc 8 hrs ago #2
Thanks for doing that, but one question is whether this was a simple mathematical average of each polls average %? AZJonnie 8 hrs ago #3
No, it was a simple average. I know they're not an exact science lindysalsagal 7 hrs ago #5
Fox News, ironically, isn't a winger poll. TwilightZone 7 hrs ago #4
I wouldn't call that poll Fox released last night reliable Wiz Imp 4 hrs ago #6
A pollster with a solid and neutral methodology will still toss outliers periodically Amishman 4 hrs ago #7
There were 7 national polls released on Tuesday and Wednesday excluding Fox (all by reputable pollsters) Wiz Imp 4 hrs ago #9
I'm mostly focused on the swing states Amishman 3 hrs ago #10
I'm keeping my eyes on the swing states as well Wiz Imp 3 hrs ago #12
a bunch of those are NOT RW polls. WarGamer 3 hrs ago #11
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Well, Hi Jimmie! GP6971 3 hrs ago #14
I think they should find another site to post on. sheshe2 3 hrs ago #18
You're back! sheshe2 3 hrs ago #15
Do you visit DU often? GP6971 3 hrs ago #16
that was his first post? debm55 3 hrs ago #17
Under that username, yes. GP6971 3 hrs ago #20
I was never polled and I live in PA, How are they getting their numbers. Three people voted in my house for VP Harris debm55 3 hrs ago #19
It is not good enough.. 😢nt helpisontheway 3 hrs ago #21

RidinWithHarris

(624 posts)
8. Please keep in mind that averaging polls reduces margin of error
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 08:47 PM
4 hrs ago

So while the lead here is small, it's not swamped by the margin of error. Add on the idea (which I think is more than just wishful thinking) that Harris voters are more motivated and we have a better ground game, I'd say this is reasonably good news.

AZJonnie

(46 posts)
3. Thanks for doing that, but one question is whether this was a simple mathematical average of each polls average %?
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 05:18 PM
8 hrs ago

Or did you assign greater weight to polls with larger sample sizes? I don't know a ton about how this sort of thing is done but I'm guess one should give more weight to a poll of 2000 people vs one of 500 people, though I'm not sure by how much

lindysalsagal

(22,213 posts)
5. No, it was a simple average. I know they're not an exact science
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 05:39 PM
7 hrs ago

But it is good to know she's ahead in all 8. That's a trend.

TwilightZone

(27,238 posts)
4. Fox News, ironically, isn't a winger poll.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 05:24 PM
7 hrs ago

Probably because they don't run their own polls. They use Beacon Research and Shaw and Company and their polls are relatively reliable. They're #16 on 538's list out of about 300 pollsters.

Emerson has seemingly had a few polls that appear to have been outliers, but they're also usually reliable. They're in the top ten on 538 and are rated as slightly left by them.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/emerson-college-polling-bias-and-credibility/

Pollster ratings here: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Cherry-picking polls is usually a mostly-pointless exercise unless only those with a clear data-based bias are removed.

Wiz Imp

(980 posts)
6. I wouldn't call that poll Fox released last night reliable
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 08:31 PM
4 hrs ago

Trump up by 2 nationally but Harris up 6 in the swing states? Sorry, but that makes no sense and they didn't publish any information to try to analyze why it doesn't make sense. I'm not accusing anyone of intentional bias, but that sure looks like a "bad" poll to me.

Amishman

(5,717 posts)
7. A pollster with a solid and neutral methodology will still toss outliers periodically
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 08:37 PM
4 hrs ago

It's the nature of random sampling.

Yes, there are a lot of RW bullshit polls coming out.

But there are some alarmingly close polls coming out from reputable pollsters. Yeah, some (like the Fox one) really look like outliers as they are inconsistent with that pollster's other polls and prior results. But there are enough overall and enough consistency that we should not just dismiss the polls, or cherrypick away any that don't say what we want. Remember, random sampling will create blue leaning outliers too.

This is looking tight - very tight. Be alarmed and be prepared.

Wiz Imp

(980 posts)
9. There were 7 national polls released on Tuesday and Wednesday excluding Fox (all by reputable pollsters)
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 08:53 PM
4 hrs ago

All showed a Harris lead between 3% & 5%. I honestly don't recall any alarmingly close national polls in the last week and a half (I don't consider the NBC poll showing a tie alarming because it was a poll of RV not LV. Harris has consistently polled better with LV). Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not alarmed. I am (and hopefully will remain) cautiously optimistic.

Amishman

(5,717 posts)
10. I'm mostly focused on the swing states
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 09:21 PM
3 hrs ago

And not national polling.

But I'm also a pessimist and worrier by nature too

Wiz Imp

(980 posts)
12. I'm keeping my eyes on the swing states as well
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 09:36 PM
3 hrs ago

but since that is where all the garbage right wing polls are showing up, it's hard work to try to wade through and figure out what to trust and what to ignore. If I simply just accepted all the swing state polls at face value, it would drive me crazy because the averages include the biased polls which skews them right - making things look worse than probable reality. That's why I focus on looking at the pollsters I know are reputable and focus on their swing state numbers. And while I'd agree there may have been a couple of those recently that didn't look too good, most of them have been more encouraging than discouraging - at least to me.

Response to lindysalsagal (Original post)

sheshe2

(86,642 posts)
18. I think they should find another site to post on.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 09:59 PM
3 hrs ago

Perhaps Conservative Cave or Truth (cough cough) Social.

debm55

(33,054 posts)
19. I was never polled and I live in PA, How are they getting their numbers. Three people voted in my house for VP Harris
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 10:01 PM
3 hrs ago

and not one of us were polled.

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