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PA: Close to 1 million people have voted. 63% of those early votes are Democrats (Original Post) Mr.WeRP 14 hrs ago OP
Keep it up PA!!! awesomerwb1 14 hrs ago #1
But republicans can vote for democrats and vice versa mucifer 14 hrs ago #2
Can't read your intent Lithos 14 hrs ago #3
It's safe to say that the defection rate among Rs will be much higher than Ds Mr.WeRP 14 hrs ago #4
Not as much as one might think. TwilightZone 14 hrs ago #8
This isnt a normal election, and nothing like 2020 getagrip_already 14 hrs ago #10
but Jan 6 will move more people away from R than typical -- he is a dirtbag...etc JT45242 14 hrs ago #11
Yeah, tens of thousands of Democrats crossing over to vote for TCF. Wednesdays 12 hrs ago #26
Ugh God Dem4life1234 9 hrs ago #29
Good measure of enthusiasm, but not predictive of final tally. Nt Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #5
If actual votes aren't predictive, then nothing is. W_HAMILTON 14 hrs ago #9
Remember, Republicans vote last. Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #15
I'd rather have votes already banked that counting on Election Day turnout. W_HAMILTON 13 hrs ago #22
They aren't predictive. We have no real way MontanaFarmer 13 hrs ago #20
They are. And people much more knowledgeable than me or you can and have used them to predict the final outcome before. W_HAMILTON 13 hrs ago #21
Correct. That's essentially what i said. MontanaFarmer 9 hrs ago #28
Nevada is not a good example. Self Esteem 9 hrs ago #30
Early voting is the most meaningful source of data we have at this point -- period. W_HAMILTON 5 hrs ago #33
Not really. Self Esteem 3 hrs ago #34
Targetsmart Deminpenn 14 hrs ago #6
That's a 325,000 vote difference, about 135,000 more than Trump's same day lead in 2020. lees1975 14 hrs ago #7
Buuuut what do the polls say? gab13by13 14 hrs ago #12
In PA RobinA 14 hrs ago #16
Republicans vote last Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #17
Is that sarcasm? Sugarcoated 14 hrs ago #19
2 of those votes gab13by13 14 hrs ago #13
What was 2020 at this point? Polybius 14 hrs ago #14
In some states it is Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #18
I'm curious too epreic01 13 hrs ago #23
The data by time isn't easy to find. But so far, this tracks the same percentages from 2020. Mr.WeRP 13 hrs ago #24
Democrats two-points behind their final 2020 total and Republicans four-points ahead... Self Esteem 3 hrs ago #35
I'm not a religious person but, um, God, how about a snowstorm on Nov 5th? progressoid 12 hrs ago #25
I keep on thinking, PoindexterOglethorpe 12 hrs ago #27
More info on Penn TheProle 8 hrs ago #31
TargetSmart early voting dashboard Deminpenn 8 hrs ago #32

Lithos

(26,444 posts)
3. Can't read your intent
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 12:52 PM
14 hrs ago

Sarcasm? That's what I'm getting, but not sure.

TBH, Dems are solidly behind Kamala, while the GQP base is much softer and likely to have significant defections. All good for Kamala!

TwilightZone

(27,362 posts)
8. Not as much as one might think.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:01 PM
14 hrs ago

It's usually a slight difference and a small percentage, mid-single-digits for either side.

In 2016, a higher percentage of Dems voted for Trump than Reps for Clinton, 5% to 4%.

In 2020, it was 5% to 4%, but the reverse, with the slight edge to Biden.

Mass defections are predicted every election, but historically, there's no basis for it. Everyone said many of the same things in 2020 that people are saying now, and those predictions proved to be mostly wishful thinking.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

getagrip_already

(17,030 posts)
10. This isnt a normal election, and nothing like 2020
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:06 PM
14 hrs ago

There is a significant shift in the republican base away from tsf. Much more so than any previous election.

It is estimated at 9%.

Whether those voters vote for the tsf, harris, a third party, or nobody, is unknown. But they arent answering questions supportive of tsf.

This is VERY different than 2020.

JT45242

(2,779 posts)
11. but Jan 6 will move more people away from R than typical -- he is a dirtbag...etc
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:06 PM
14 hrs ago

Jan 6, convictions for felonies, and Dobbs will lead to much marger than normal defections.

Dobbs alone will likely make double digit defections based on how EVERY ABORTION AMENDMENT has moved voters, in deep red states

Fiendish Thingy

(17,832 posts)
15. Remember, Republicans vote last.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:15 PM
14 hrs ago

Just like the red mirage of election night, early vote numbers can produce a blue mirage.

But early vote numbers surpassing 2020 numbers is a positive sign.

W_HAMILTON

(8,285 posts)
22. I'd rather have votes already banked that counting on Election Day turnout.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 02:19 PM
13 hrs ago

And election data experts can make some very informed predictions based on early voting. Jon Ralston damn near has called Nevada before Election Day in the past based on it. We knew that Florida was going to be a problem in recent years based on it.

Once again, it's not definitive -- nothing will be until the night of the election (if not later) -- but it's far more meaningful than any other polling we have right now.

MontanaFarmer

(703 posts)
20. They aren't predictive. We have no real way
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:40 PM
13 hrs ago

of knowing if we're just cannibalizing our Eday vote from those numbers. Smart data people in the party probably know. But what it does for sure is take those people off the GOTV lists so we can focus on the lower propensity folks.

W_HAMILTON

(8,285 posts)
21. They are. And people much more knowledgeable than me or you can and have used them to predict the final outcome before.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 02:17 PM
13 hrs ago

Jon Ralston in Nevada is a perfect example.

I think I said the other day that Georgia has already met 25% of its 2020 vote total through its 2024 early voting. You think election data experts can't extrapolate meaningful information from that?

It's not definitive, but actual early voting is far more meaningful in terms of the actual results than anything else we have right now -- period.

MontanaFarmer

(703 posts)
28. Correct. That's essentially what i said.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 06:07 PM
9 hrs ago

But to say X number of democrats have voted, X number of Republicans have voted, therefore democrats are going to win... is untrue. Leading in the early vote without context is in no way predictive. Like i said.

Self Esteem

(1,345 posts)
30. Nevada is not a good example.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 06:27 PM
9 hrs ago

Nevada is a state that is almost entirely vote-by-mail or early voting. So, you have a pretty good idea where the candidates stand by election day as there will be so few same-day election day voters.

Pennsylvania is not. You can vote by mail but in 2020, nearly seven million people voted there. So, two weeks out, we're about six million short of the total turnout and only 13% the total turnout from four years ago.

So, it's not really meaningful because at this point, it's such a small subset of the actual amount of votes that you can't make a definitive claim - or even an assumption - based on these numbers.

Maybe a week from today.

But not right now.

These numbers don't tell us if the polling is off - they don't tell us if Harris is positioned to win ... the only thing they probably tell us is that it's not a disastrous number. I don't think people see warning signs (really for either candidate). it points to likely what we know already by just looking at polls: this election is sure to be a close one.

W_HAMILTON

(8,285 posts)
33. Early voting is the most meaningful source of data we have at this point -- period.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:22 PM
5 hrs ago

And data experts can do wonders, literally extrapolating precinct-by-precinct based on early voting as results are updated. No, of course it does not guarantee anything -- nothing short of the actual results coming in on election night (and maybe later...) can claim to do that -- but a lot can be gleaned from early voting, and I've given several past examples (both good for us and bad for us) where it has done just that.

Self Esteem

(1,345 posts)
34. Not really.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:04 AM
3 hrs ago

It doesn't tell us anything meaningful at this point, especially when we're dealing with such small numbers. You can't look at this data and make a prediction one way or another. Maybe in ten days or so - but certainly not now. It's pretty pointless. The campaign will have no level of insight from this data that they can't pull from their own polling.

Deminpenn

(16,003 posts)
6. Targetsmart
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 12:57 PM
14 hrs ago

has a dashboard called targetearly available at its website that has all kinds of early vote information broken out and filterabke in many ways.

gab13by13

(24,433 posts)
12. Buuuut what do the polls say?
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:10 PM
14 hrs ago

Just because more registered Democrats are voting apparently means nothing. Give me a break.

RobinA

(10,103 posts)
16. In PA
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:16 PM
14 hrs ago

more early voters are Democrats. This goes back to when Trump was demonizing voting by mail just as PA was first getting vote by mail. Trump has been sending out fliers saying to vote early, but we've been so inundated by election crap I doubt anybody on any side is still paying attention. It doesn't much matter to the results, because in PA they can't even open the ballots until election day.

Fiendish Thingy

(17,832 posts)
17. Republicans vote last
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:16 PM
14 hrs ago

More republicans vote on election day than vote early. Just how many is the key question.

gab13by13

(24,433 posts)
13. 2 of those votes
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 01:12 PM
14 hrs ago

were mine and my wife's and I can assure people that we aren't pretending to be Democrats.

Mr.WeRP

(441 posts)
24. The data by time isn't easy to find. But so far, this tracks the same percentages from 2020.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 02:26 PM
13 hrs ago

64% of Ds
23% of Rs
Voted early in 2020 to a total count of 2.6 million (so we are about 1/3rd of the way there)

So I think we would see similar final results for PA this cycle compared to 2020 just based on early voting.

See: https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/PA.html

Self Esteem

(1,345 posts)
35. Democrats two-points behind their final 2020 total and Republicans four-points ahead...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:08 AM
3 hrs ago

That's a decent swing for Republican compared to 2020 (six points total). But I suspect there will be more same-day voting for Democrats since COVID isn't an issue this go around.

But this is why these numbers are useless at this point. You can't really pull anything from this because you just don't know the dynamic of in-person voting. If Democrats vote by mail at the same pace they did in 2020, but the final numbers mirror these results, they would be in a bad spot.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,424 posts)
27. I keep on thinking,
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 03:10 PM
12 hrs ago

72 to 6. That's how badly my high school lost a football game way back when. And it feels to me like the final outcome will be far closer to a blow-out than so close we won't know for a week.

Although the real question is when do states count those early votes? I remember in 2020 some quite populous state (Pennsylvania?) had a law that absentee ballots could not be counted until after the regular polls closed. Hope that's changed already.

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