Like, *extremely* strange and mysterious ways....

Is Jeffrey Dahmer evidence that there isn't a just and good God?

If evil or however one chooses to define someone like Trump is the sole determining factor, there have been innumerable examples prior to Trump, many of them arguably much worse than he is.

The question also presumes that whatever god might exist has an active interest in humanity and tilts the scales in one direction or another.

He's only proof of something if other things are assumed to be true, such as a god having active influence on humanity.

There could be a just and good god that simply doesn't have the ability or the inclination to interfere with free will.

The Free Will argument is negated by Dahmer's victims not having the free will not to be brutally murdered.

And as Epicurius would say, if he has neither the ability or inclination to stop evil, why call him God?

Russell's teapot is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making empirically unfalsifiable claims, as opposed to shifting the burden of disproof to others.

Russell specifically applied his analogy in the context of religion.[1] He wrote that if he were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot, too small to be seen by telescopes, orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, he could not expect anyone to believe him solely because his assertion could not be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

...as we're reminded everytime we discover things that we previously believed didn't exist.

The only thing I don't get is why it's so hard for people to admit they simply don't know, for sure, if a thing exists or not, but that's probably just the Agnostic in me.

I see no evidence for the exist of a God (rather than know or not know)
If I said the same thing about Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster or fairies, people would not tell me I should not be closed minded and I can't "know it" That it is 50/50.

In formal logic and mathematics, proving negatives is possible within defined systems. For example, proving “there is no solution to this equation” or “no integer exists between 1 and 2” is straightforward within those frameworks. The difficulty comes when attempting to prove negatives in empirical contexts, like “ghosts do not exist.” In such cases, it’s hard to prove a universal absence since evidence could potentially appear somewhere unknown.

I prefer to say you cant prove an unfalsifiable claim.

Is creating an Armageddon to prep for a second coming.

Definitely not as omnipotent as we were led to believe.

Maybe God is off on distant galaxy playing a few rounds of golf and his attentions have been temporarily diverted ? But will be back to address the trDUMP issues in due time.

or something he does or says?

Trump is the antichrist, so there has to be a God.

The Antichrist is supposed to be loved and worshiped by the whole world. Trump isn't. Trump can't even get the majority of votes in his own country.

will fool even the chosen (from my long ago bible study).

That lump of blubber doesn't fool anyone except the willful idiots.

The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for him in 2016 and in 2020. It remains to be seen if he'll get the majority of them this time.

This was as close as I got.

Recommended.

of who is the Giver of Smartasses?

Heaven, earth, light, day, darkness, night, land, seas, seed, grass, trees, fruit, seasons, stars, sea life, land creatures, man, woman, the tree of life, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Too bad God made that last tree, we’d live in a far different world…but would it be better? Impossible to know.

like the definition of Spinoza, Einstein, and Sagan, or the sum total of the loaws of the universe(s). Sagan, of course, in his 1977 classic "The Dragons of Eden" explained that tree etc in the context of the evolution of the human brain. I think that still holds up well.

Maybe fat trump is just evidence of God's all-encompassing sense of humour. Midgets, the Platypus, Rush Limbaugh and Texas just weren't enough!

Have you read the Bible? It is stuffed with stores about despicable men, whom God put into positions of power over people, and showered with his favor and his blessings. It's not the least bit out of character for that particular god to choose someone like Trump to rule over the US.

my second sentence, "at least..."

I am also waiting to get in on the ground floor for Ra worship when the climate completely collapses into chaos and mankind reverts to sacrificing virgins to the storm gods and the sun. Might want to find some back-ups too like Zeus, Jupiter and Ares.

Or maybe God just has a sense of humor…

That god, always wiping people off the planet for funsies. What a card! What a sense of humor!

I'm glad psychopathic murderous magical beings don't actually exist.

According to a Rabbi, God gave humans free will. It is therefore each individuals own responsibility to choose their own actions. If a person chooses to act like a disgusting piece of vermin(my words not the Rabbi's) that's on him or her not God. God can only give strength to those who seek it to carry on in hard times, and also decides the ultimate destination of one's soul after they die on earth.

There is also the philosophy that everything and everyone has both good points and bad points. Like a fire can warm you when you're cold, but it could also burn your house down. Water can quench your thirst or kill you, if you drown in it. In people we chose which side we want to use the most.

tfg always chooses to show his evil side.

...never met The Felon.

or others like him that I would classify as good.

What an asshole. I'm glad that monster doesn't actually exist.

war, famine, disease etc are in most cases not the ones doing the choosing . It's the people like Trump, Musk, Hitler, Stalin, Putin, etc who are choosing greed and power, over caring about other people and the earth we live on. They choose to be selfish and evil.

The theory about the duality of being isn't even of Christian-Judeo origin. I believe the concept goes all the way back to the ancient Greeks.

I am not trying to sell anyone on faith in God. I am giving my personal response to the question asked. In my opinion just because evil people do evil things doesn't necessarily equate to proof that God doesn't exist. Also in many Christian religions there is the belief that the evil side of human nature comes from the devil aka satan.

I have my own reasons for believing in God that I will refrain from sharing, because I also respect others right not to believe.

In the pre-Twitter/Facebook/Instagram fantasy world we inhabit, his behavior and statements would have been disqualifying back in 2015. As it is, there are entirely too many credulous, uninformed imbeciles that vote and do so based on whatever misinformation catches their fancy.

Trump is a cancerous lung tumor that has metastasized. Social Media is the smoking that led to the aggressive cancer.

who hates his people.

I'm glad "He" (HAH!) is just a figment of human imagination.

Thank goodness.

…to con and control human beings.

So Trump's choices are his own. And no, the "devil" didn't make him do it. He's accountable on his own.

what about the free will of the women he raped or the people he stole from. What about the free will of the women who can't have medical care because of him.
Beyond the philosophical discussion of what is free will. The argument that there is evil because of free will is a non starter.

The definition is - a human being has free will to hurt people, or help them. or just leave them alone. If the choice is to hurt someone else, the victim will suffer, or even die. That has nothing to do with whether or not the person who did the harm exercised free will.

God allows evil to exist because we have free will to choose evil or good. But this same God, supposedly good an loving, gives one person to choose innumerable suffering to dozens or hundreds or millions. So this God thinks the free will choice of one person can take all choice away from millions of others.
The fate of that person's soul is more important to God, no matter how evil their acts are, than the anguish, suffering and life of millions of others.
This doesn't even touch on if people who are mentally ill have this God given free will.

It is just Christian bullshit to account for why their so called loving God allows the world to be so fucked up. But the logic of it doesn't hold.

And he bears responsibility.

In Christian theology, humanity is next to divinity. Jesus elevated respect for humanity to the same level as respect for God, Matthew 22:29, equating the commandment to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind," with "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Support for Trump, from people claiming to be Christian, is a symptom of the complete breakdown of conservative Evangelicalism in the United States. Violating the free will of another human being is equal to blaspheming God.

Does that work a little better now?

Just sayin’

From Genesis 6-9, the Bible teaches that God found his creation of man had become corrupt, evil, and filled with violence, and it grieved him. He determined to destroy the wickedness on earth, both man and beast. Other than those aboard Noah’s Ark, God destroyed every living thing on earth by sending 40 days and 40 nights of rain, the water prevailing for 150 days, flooding and killing all upon earth’s surface.

Trump is allowed to exist because, after the flood, God promised to never again curse the earth by destroying every living thing as he had done with the flood.

However, by the grace of God, Trump will definitively lose the election by a significant margin. Then Jack Smith can go forth with his cases against him and send his evil lying fat a$$ into semi solitary confinement where he’ll never be able to spew his nasty filth upon the U.S. population again!

He destroyed every living thing because people were wicked. But the beasts? How exactly is a cow wicked? A dog? The sheep? I have tried to make sense out of religion but it just….doesn’t. Doesn’t make any sense at all to me. 😏

While we have lost many gems of human beings at far younger ages.

If he wins, we will know that God hates Amerikkka. So...

it's a weird paradox that some people seem violently opposed to something they violently assert, doesn't exist.

Lots of evidence of Satan.

And Satan's friends.

Every time we think he will pay, he does not. First he is a disgusting traitor and was elected as president. He committed awful crimes almost four years ago and has never spent a night in jail. He is a convicted felon and they allow him to run for president. And now he has a very good chance of being elected again. I’m watching as the polls start improving for him towards the end just like with Hillary.