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G_j

(40,427 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:55 AM Tuesday

On the death toll in WNC

This was written by a friend here in Asheville.

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On the death toll

The national news coverage I've seen of what happened in Western NC and parts of East TN refers to the storm as "deadly" and often mentions the current known death toll to summarize the impact of Helene in the region. If I were reading these headlines or seeing this news from elsewhere in the country, I might think that it was just kind of a bad storm.

In no way does the reported death toll convey the impact of this disaster.

First, it does not even accurately reflect the loss of life, since there are still many people missing. And the lists of missing people are undoubtedly incomplete. Many undocumented people and people with language barriers and other barriers have almost certainly not reported family members and friends that are missing. People who were homeless at the time of the flood, their whereabouts not known by their families, have very likely not been reported missing. Many rural areas still don't have internet access and have had communications difficulties which have made reporting missing people difficult. Both the death toll numbers and the missing persons numbers are only those that are known by specific public safety agencies, not sourced directly from communities with any kind of attention to ensuring everyone can participate in reporting.

Beyond the number of deaths, there is so much individual and community trauma that is invisible in those headlines.

People injured. Sometimes horribly. In my community there was an older man who broke all of his ribs trying to save a neighbor and ended up hospitalized for days. He and his neighbor both survived so they are not counted when the death toll is reported. The trauma they must have endured, I can only imagine. Then there is my friend's across the street neighbor who was carried away inside her house as it was torn from its foundation and swept down the raging river. She somehow survived, eventually crawling out of the river battered and naked. A couple in McDowell County, friends of a friend, were in their home when a landslide hit and partially buried them in their house under the mud. One is still hospitalized and can't walk, the other was also badly injured and still recovering. These are just a few of the stories of serious injuries I've heard directly from people in my community.

And so many people had terrifying escapes, narrowly avoiding death. A friend told me her cousin survived by climbing a tree and hanging onto the branches for hours. I read the testimony of a mother and child in my town that had to break out their highest windows and swim. People were rescued from the top floor of a submerged apartment building as it was swept down river, watching as neighbors were pulled into the water. Families were rescued from rooftops, or huddled in attics waiting to see if the water would stop rising or if they would drown. A couple from Swannanoa told their story of being completely submerged in the toxic flood water, pulled out to safety by a group of neighbors. A family escaped by wading through toxic river water with their elderly mother floating on a mattress because she could not swim. I have met two groups of neighbors in different areas near me who had to dig neighbors living and dead out of rubble and mud. These are just a few of the real experiences of real people who survived and helped others survive.

And then there are all of the families who lost their entire home and everything in it. We don't actually even know how many people this is. I will tell you I have personally met dozens in the past three weeks. Whether it was a conventional single family home or a mobile home or an apartment, there are so many whole structures that just disappeared down the river in the flood. The people who lived there don't know if they were smashed apart or floated intact, but either way their homes and all of their belongings are gone. Their clothing, their furniture, their kitchens full of food. The beds they slept in, their kids' toys and special things, house plants, books, family treasures. One mother whose mobile home was swept away said to me, "I don't even know where my home might have ended up." Can you imagine?

Children and adults who witnessed any of these things are living with trauma. People are experiencing nightmares, anxiety, insomnia, irrational anger, outbursts of emotion, exhaustion, uncontrollable crying, depression and hopelessness.

Even those of us in hard hit communities who are relatively unscathed and physically safe with our homes intact are living in a landscape where all the places we knew are devastated or destroyed. My child's favorite playgrounds, our supermarket, our post office, my car repair shop, the drugstore. Trails we walked on, farms that grew our food, beautiful places that we went to to find peace. Places we used to swim and wade and take our kids to play in the rivers and streams that are now full of murky green water clogged with trash and trauma. The roads we drive every day lined with the remains of people's homes and lives. Routes to school and work now impassable or dangerous. People all around us who are grieving the loss of their homes, neighborhoods, belongings and loved ones.

And the rippling economic impact only beginning to be felt - people out of work, housing lost in a community that already had a crisis level lack of affordable homes, no school or childcare for a month for working parents, businesses destroyed or closed for months to recover.

And the trauma on the land itself. To the wildlife, plant life, trees, and soil.

Please witness our stories and keep supporting our recovery. This place will need resources for healing and a recovery and reconstruction that doesn't leave anyone behind. The first step in this is truth telling about what is real here right now and the true impact of this disaster.

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Image: impassable road a few days ago in the Riceville community

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On the death toll in WNC (Original Post) G_j Tuesday OP
very sorry for all you and your community is going through Skittles Tuesday #1
The human trauma of a natural disaster competes for media coverage with a 78-year-old felonious rapist's....... jaxexpat Tuesday #2
. BoRaGard Tuesday #3
But the RW is pushing this narrative of "thousands missing; Harris's fault" oldsoftie Tuesday #4
They can go straight to hell Dem4life1234 Tuesday #17
Heartbreaking Martin Eden Tuesday #5
Close friend/neighbor in Asheville died wishstar Tuesday #6
Thank you for responding G_j Tuesday #12
Thank you so much for this vivid first-hand account Pinback Tuesday #7
Thank you for donating to Beloved Asheville G_j Tuesday #13
Thanks for that link, Pinback. calimary Yesterday #25
Detailed and well written malaise Tuesday #8
I just knew the coverage was lacking.... Puppyjive Tuesday #9
A lot of... 2naSalit Tuesday #10
This is so important, well written, and true NewHendoLib Tuesday #11
Thank you for posting - we must help them Alice Kramden Tuesday #14
Truly unimaginable and heartbreaking. Fla Dem Tuesday #15
I am astounded that the media isn't covering this as they should Dem4life1234 Tuesday #16
They grossly under coated Katrina's death toll. live love laugh Tuesday #20
Kicked&Recommended. Cherrycheeks Tuesday #18
This happened to Bolivar Island - Hurricane Ike TBF Tuesday #19
I am so sorry for your and your greater community's immense trauma and devastating losses. Clouds Passing Tuesday #21
Thank you for posting this painful yet needed reminder of the aftermath of Helene ... cliffside Yesterday #22
I have searched every day for more information about the hurricane Helene and Milton. I am shocked at how little ShazamIam Yesterday #23
OP, you say a friend of yours wrote that? soandso Yesterday #24
I can imagine that many stories have not yet been told DFW Yesterday #26
europe Kali999 Yesterday #27

Skittles

(157,742 posts)
1. very sorry for all you and your community is going through
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:58 AM
Tuesday

I think there should be more news stories on the ongoing struggles, it's just awful.

jaxexpat

(7,602 posts)
2. The human trauma of a natural disaster competes for media coverage with a 78-year-old felonious rapist's.......
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 06:52 AM
Tuesday

perpetual public tantrum. So 21st century American, this dissonance.

Still, it cannot be overstated how isolated much of the area actually is and even more so when even a few roads are impassable. The current case is that many roads are impassable, leaving a near hopeless traffic jam the size of New Jersey. I understand that Trump's Ashville rally caused the city to go from traffic-frailty to totally gridlocked. Like the straw which broke the camel's back of vehicular movement.

My point being that there are doubtless many newsworthy and informative stories there which are left hidden from the public, knowledge of their existence impeded by simple, extreme isolation and inaccessibility.

oldsoftie

(13,476 posts)
4. But the RW is pushing this narrative of "thousands missing; Harris's fault"
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 07:00 AM
Tuesday

Certainly early on with ZERO communications there were a TON of people who couldn't let anyone know if they were OK. But by now I would think most have been accounted for one way or another.
Put aside the idiots who are claiming the government either "made" this storm or "steered" it to NC because they want to do a land grab for lithium. There are still lots of those people pushing that the govt has done little, is lying about the dead, etc. The stories are plentiful.
I'm going with the "official" numbers of missing because at some point SOME family members would be coming forward asking "why isnt MY brother on this list?"
Yes it was a totally devastating storm. We cant stop paying attention to it. But we need to try to filter out these crazy claims in some way

Martin Eden

(13,342 posts)
5. Heartbreaking
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 07:07 AM
Tuesday

We as a nation must come together with whatever resources are necessary to begin the reconstruction and healing.

wishstar

(5,477 posts)
6. Close friend/neighbor in Asheville died
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 07:27 AM
Tuesday

My dearest friend for over 40 years and co-worker died over a week ago but in Myrtle Beach after struggling with stress and physical difficulty of carrying buckets of water for a week in Asheville before going with a neighbor down to the coast to wait out restoration of power and water here. My friend had excruciating back pain and died from apparent heart attack in SC
after getting cortisone shots and strong pain meds. My friend had previously been so healthy that they did’nt even have a doctor in 40 years in Asheville and took no meds ever before. The losses here in WNC and elsewhere are staggering and incomprehensible both loss of life and health plus loss of our basic support structure such as stores, banks and roads and bridges gone. Our parks and greenways devastated or inaccessible right now. Myself and spouse personally dealing with a stroke and broken leg plus water damage in house requiring repairs. We still have no running water except murky trickle for flushing I have to lug up from basement but at least not having to drive to World Centrals tanker truck. No TV, landline or internet yet on Oct 22 and struggling to use smartphone for all communications including this response to excellent post where it’s taking me 10 times longer to type a message than before . Only good thing is spouse has lost 15 pounds and I’ve lost 7 since ordeal began and we have encountered so many angels to help and kind neighbors. So much compassion amidst our shared trauma and desperation. Other positive is our early voting sites close by up and running well!!!!

G_j

(40,427 posts)
12. Thank you for responding
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:56 AM
Tuesday

We also have no potable water, though our electric came on a week ago. We were hauling water from a swimming pool to flush, which actually felt like a privilege compared to others. It hasn’t been easy being in our seventies.
I don’t know anyone who died, but some that were rescued.
Our apartment building was hit by a tree, but we are finally relocated to another apartment. We are very fortunate compared to so many. People here have been truly outstanding in the face of it all.

Pinback

(12,794 posts)
7. Thank you so much for this vivid first-hand account
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:08 AM
Tuesday

Last edited Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:47 AM - Edit history (1)

It’s pretty hard to read, but we can’t ignore the ongoing trauma in the aftermath of this devastating event. The unreported hardships you describe are so important. These experiences are something people never get over.

I know or have known people in several of the WNC communities affected, and have had many wonderful travels all around that region. One of my best friends used to live in the sweet little river town of Marshall, almost wiped off the map by Helene. Another moved to Tryon not long ago — fortunately spared the worst of the storm. Another friend has family in Clyde, also lucky to be in a spot that avoided flooding.

It’s so tragic to see the suffering and destruction in Asheville, Weaverville, Swannanoa, Black Mountain, and points beyond in the region. I have made a donation to BeLoved Asheville (https://www.belovedasheville.com/) and will make another this week.

That region is beloved to my wife and me, a treasured restorative and peaceful place that has rejuvenated us so many times, letting us return to the manic swirl of Atlanta with renewed resilience. I hope you and your neighbors continue to get a little closer to “normal life” each day, and find the strength and comfort you will need to continue going through this.



Oconee Bells, Asheville Botanical Garden (ourwildyard.com)

G_j

(40,427 posts)
13. Thank you for donating to Beloved Asheville
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 09:02 AM
Tuesday

They are truly awesome!

I love all the places you mentioned. I can’t believe what Marshall looks like now, or any number of other places. We are all in perpetual shock.

calimary

(83,835 posts)
25. Thanks for that link, Pinback.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:45 AM
Yesterday

Here’s hoping that kicking this thread will mean more people see it.

Puppyjive

(567 posts)
9. I just knew the coverage was lacking....
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:13 AM
Tuesday

I recently read the Johnstown Flood by David McCollough. After reading that book, I knew that the scope of Helene was not accurately being reported. The trauma is real and the loss is incomprehensible. The reporting seems to have moved on and focuses only on the election. One thing that I remember reading in that book was the outpouring of relief and help. It was unprecedented. The entire nation came together. I have not seen that happening here. It's shameful. Where did all those homes floating down the river end up? Who is housing all these homeless people? The reporting gets a big fat F if you ask me. The news agencies have the ability to bring the country together during these times. Where are they?

2naSalit

(91,746 posts)
10. A lot of...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:23 AM
Tuesday

Americans can't fathom the true meaning of the word, devastation. This is a good description.

NewHendoLib

(60,404 posts)
11. This is so important, well written, and true
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:24 AM
Tuesday

Once a storm passes through, it quickly becomes displaced in the news by the next eyeball attractant.

Helene is leaving an indelible mark on most everyone in its path in so many ways.

Thank you for posting to this great piece.

Fla Dem

(25,513 posts)
15. Truly unimaginable and heartbreaking.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 09:28 AM
Tuesday

You wonder how people are able to put their lives back together and move on. Tragic.

Dem4life1234

(582 posts)
16. I am astounded that the media isn't covering this as they should
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 07:27 PM
Tuesday

I remember Katrina making the news for a long time and rightfully so.

They would rather focus on some fat bloated hateful lowlife vile creature.

TBF

(33,836 posts)
19. This happened to Bolivar Island - Hurricane Ike
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 09:34 PM
Tuesday

the only reason we had any clue how many were missing, is that families would contact Texas Equusearch & talk about their missing family members. I guess in case they happened to wash up. It really was horrific storm surge and many who tried to ride out that storm were never found.

The billionaires who fund the MSM don't want us to talk about the effects of climate change -- nothing to see here, move along ...

Clouds Passing

(1,639 posts)
21. I am so sorry for your and your greater community's immense trauma and devastating losses.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:05 PM
Tuesday

You are all in my prayers and healing energy.

Your words are troubling, brutally honest and give us a true picture of the suffering endured. Stay safe.


ShazamIam

(2,670 posts)
23. I have searched every day for more information about the hurricane Helene and Milton. I am shocked at how little
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 02:16 AM
Yesterday

information is available for those two horrific disasters. I have wondered if it is the influence of the climate change denying energy billionaires who are telling their fellow news publishing billionaires to downplay the tragedies.

soandso

(743 posts)
24. OP, you say a friend of yours wrote that?
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:40 AM
Yesterday

Perhaps you could ask your friend to send it to multiple news websites and ask that it be published. I know that lots of people are wondering what's going on but there's a dearth of information. That was so well written and conveys the devastation to peoples' lives. It needs to be read by millions. The election and then the wars are really the only things being covered.

DFW

(56,279 posts)
26. I can imagine that many stories have not yet been told
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 04:12 AM
Yesterday

No one has yet had access to all the people and places that have been decimated. Two or three FEMAs are needed. I’m sure the Biden administration is scrambling for resources to help, but this was a disaster beyond the scope of most anyone’s imagination. Maybe even Trump will show up with a roll or two of paper towels.

Kali999

(27 posts)
27. europe
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 05:34 AM
Yesterday

This is similar to the massive floods in Europe the last few years
And my area in Maine flooded last year after 5 inches of rain and snow melt. Only two deaths when a car was swept down river. My fiance was in the hospital actually quarantined for TB. Which he didn't have . Basement flooded, rivers overflowing. Scary and powerful. Also China had floods. In Cali my mother had fire North and South of her. And one town burnt to the ground.

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