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Omaha Steve

(103,005 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 04:48 PM 23 hrs ago

1 million+ patients lose coverage as insurers, hospitals drop Medicare Advantage


https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/10/23/1-million-patients-lose-coverage-as-insurers-hospitals-drop-medicare-advantage/

By: Anna Claire Vollers - October 23, 2024 5:00 am

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — Libby and Andrew Potter usually ignore the avalanche of Medicare Advantage ads that land in the mailbox at their home in Huntsville, Alabama, each fall as Medicare’s open enrollment period begins.

Libby, a retired middle school librarian, has what she considers good health insurance through the state employee health plan. Andrew has insurance through his job as a university professor and plans to join Libby’s insurance when he retires next year.

But this year, a few days before open enrollment began, a letter arrived from UnitedHealthcare, informing the Potters that the region’s largest hospital system would no longer be considered in-network for Libby’s Medicare Advantage plan.

The Potters spent the next couple of weeks worried and unsure what to do. It seemed incredible that 14 area hospitals, including the area’s only Level 1 trauma center, could suddenly become much, much more expensive.

FULL story at link above.



Andrew and Libby Potter look over the letter they received in October, telling them that their region’s largest hospital system would no longer be considered in-network for Libby’s Medicare Advantage policy. The Potters live in Huntsville, Ala., where Libby is a retired middle school librarian and Andrew is a professor at a state university. (Anna Claire Vollers/Stateline)
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1 million+ patients lose coverage as insurers, hospitals drop Medicare Advantage (Original Post) Omaha Steve 23 hrs ago OP
Medicare advantage isn't Medicare wryter2000 23 hrs ago #1
Medicare Advantage plans are scams Bmoboy 23 hrs ago #2
Generally, when that happens, the date will be the first of the next year as Wonder Why 23 hrs ago #3
And if they want Original Medicare, they moonscape 21 hrs ago #6
Unfortunately, Medicare Advantage is all some people can afford. Obviously, the people in OP Silent Type 22 hrs ago #4
Medicare Advantage plans have always sucked buzzycrumbhunger 22 hrs ago #5
patient assistance programs exclude medicare recipients. n/t Ms. Toad 21 hrs ago #7
Yeah, Medicare gets tricky... buzzycrumbhunger 18 hrs ago #8
That model is rarer than hen's teeth. Ms. Toad 18 hrs ago #10
As a retired nurse I prefer straight Medicare. tavernier 18 hrs ago #9
My wfe and I both have... Drummer1 18 hrs ago #11
32.8 million people are enrolled in Medicare Advantage horseshit dpibel 16 hrs ago #12

wryter2000

(47,247 posts)
1. Medicare advantage isn't Medicare
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 05:03 PM
23 hrs ago

They should take Medicare out of the name.

I would imagine any university would offer the retired professor health insurance. I hope he can include his wife.

Bmoboy

(392 posts)
2. Medicare Advantage plans are scams
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 05:06 PM
23 hrs ago

Instead of almost automatic coverage by traditional Medicare, the Advantage plans insert processing that either delays or denies coverage based on vague internal "rules."

Patients end up paying more out of pocket. The "special" coverages they offer - dental, vision, transportation - have limited benefits hidden behind a wall of long wait times for limited providers.

Wonder Why

(4,506 posts)
3. Generally, when that happens, the date will be the first of the next year as
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 05:06 PM
23 hrs ago

coverage runs until the end of the current year. Since you didn't provide a link to your source, was that the case? If so, those people will have to pick traditional Medicare or another Medicare Disadvantage program.

moonscape

(5,258 posts)
6. And if they want Original Medicare, they
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:34 PM
21 hrs ago

will have to go through underwriting if they want a MediGap plan. Unless they are in perfect health, they’ll have a hard time …

Silent Type

(6,038 posts)
4. Unfortunately, Medicare Advantage is all some people can afford. Obviously, the people in OP
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 05:31 PM
22 hrs ago

can likely afford original Medicare, but sounds like they are not thrilled about it.

buzzycrumbhunger

(871 posts)
5. Medicare Advantage plans have always sucked
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:12 PM
22 hrs ago

I’m a. pharmacy tech and lots of docs and hospitals don’t even take it anymore because it sucks. They lure you in with “$0 copays!” but the truth is very little qualifies and you still need Medicare drug and other components to get things like hospital and other coverage—and even then that won’t even cover things 100%. The cost is ridiculous as it is, especially when so many people are scraping by on Social Security at the same time.

Then people are forced to hope that there’s some patient assistance program for special meds—which points out another fact, that Big Pharma has a sweet deal going on when they can charge $8000, $30,000, even $80,000 a month for specialty medications and when no insurance will cover that, the doc can do a prior authorization, the drug manufacturer can “find” a copay assistance plan where they sell the drug at a vastly reduced price… and then claim the thousands of dollars as a write-off.

I don’t know how we qualify as a “first-world country” when there are over 30 who actually cover healthcare, paid family leave, weeks of vacation, higher education, etc. and we offer almost none of that.

buzzycrumbhunger

(871 posts)
8. Yeah, Medicare gets tricky...
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:30 PM
18 hrs ago

There are some medications, however, that do have patient assistance foundations that don’t seem to fall under that. We’ve just started doing a med for eye mites (apparently, this is an epidemic, especially in retirement communities, and this stuff is crazy expensive) and the only questions are whether their insurance covers it, marital status, SSN(s), and many get a $0 copay. I’ll have to ask our insurance specialist about the particulars. It may be that we have to bypass Medicare and they use the cash price to determine eligibility.

Ms. Toad

(35,304 posts)
10. That model is rarer than hen's teeth.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:02 PM
18 hrs ago

My daughter had one medication that wasn't covered by insurance and tried to get into their patient assistance program. Not only was there a waiting list - but periodically they would also shut off access to the waiting list.

Most are insurance supplement programs - so you have to have insurance, but any government program (Medicare, Medicaid, TriX, etc.) are excluded.

tavernier

(13,164 posts)
9. As a retired nurse I prefer straight Medicare.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:56 PM
18 hrs ago

However this is what has worked best for me.
It’s up to you to research carefully. Be careful with catch words like Advantage, etc. They aren’t always as clear as how they sound.

Drummer1

(62 posts)
11. My wfe and I both have...
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:20 PM
18 hrs ago

...Medicare Supplement Insurance as well as Medicare Prescription Drug Plans. It ain't cheap but it beats getting fucked over by Medicare Advantage horseshit.

dpibel

(3,182 posts)
12. 32.8 million people are enrolled in Medicare Advantage horseshit
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 11:52 PM
16 hrs ago

If it's such horseshit, why aren't there millions of people complaining about it?

Every once in a while, someone comes up with a story about someone (usually a cousin of a friend of a friend) who had some horrible experience with their ripoff Advantage plan.

But with 32.8 million people enrolled there should be thousands and thousands of horror stories.

And I just don't see them.

Lots of "Oh, you just watch out. Pretty soon it will bite you!" warnings.

But really no meaningful number of stories from the bitten.

This particular story? Some people will have to change their insurer.

Anyone who spent any time working in the private sector knows that changing your insurer is part of the gig. Whoever gives the best quote this year, that's who you're insured by.

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