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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumshow many ppeople under 40 know who is hitler? any of them have a good grasp on that history?
have no idea what is taught in schools these days about that era. being a person who played in bomb shelters post-war on royal air force bases, and in german concrete bunkers on the beaches in France as a traveling hippy, I know lots about the rise of the nazis.
Then again I can go more than 30 seconds without playing with my cell phone lol
PedroXimenez
(492 posts)maybe saying Nazis are bad could be seen as bias against Republicans?
Seriously, i'm worried about right wing podcasts etc, lots of revisionism about Nazis. Candace Owens has a huge following for example. What does that lead to in a generation or less?
senseandsensibility
(20,141 posts)but it is definitely still part of the curriculum in CA. I had an excellent teacher in HS who showed us old film of the concentration camps, with dead bodies stacked in piles, the whole nine yards. He said it was because everyone needed to see the truth of what happened. I don't think anyone in that class anyway ever forgot. And that kind of teaching should be happening everywhere.
wnylib
(24,017 posts)I heard about it growing up. When I was in 7th grade, the movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, was on TV after days of promotions that it would be shown. Teachers encouraged us to watch it in order to know what the war was about.
But, for people under 40 today, I imagine that they have heard about Hitler and Nazis and maybe learned about them in school, but the war and Nazis are as distant to them as Napoleon - far away in geography and time.
Dennis Donovan
(24,105 posts)Just the name "Hitler" elicits a response from just about anyone I know.
PeaceWave
(757 posts)iemanja
(54,454 posts)Rhiannon12866
(219,746 posts)iemanja
(54,454 posts)6 million Jews.
PeaceWave
(757 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,465 posts)and unnecessary.
The real issue is that history is often taught very poorly in our high schools. In every state.
multigraincracker
(33,845 posts)Different story from every teacher. Little use of powerful statistics and peer review.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,465 posts)Can you prove that?
multigraincracker
(33,845 posts)2 or 3 different historians.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,465 posts)exactly the same as different opinions? Really?
iemanja
(54,454 posts)History is taught as a series of dates. As for different interpretations, that is essential to understanding history and historiography. Until the 1960s, slavery was taught as a benevolent institution. That POV had to be challenged to advance understanding.
Sparkly
(24,289 posts)And necessary, especially if it concerns people of age to vote and represents a failure of public education.
That begs a lot more questions for school boards and agencies of public policy.
Stallion
(6,575 posts)there was near universal consensus among historians until the 1990s when there was a groundswell of well funded far-right writings trying to redefine those terms because they got tired of Republican party policies getting criticized. I'd say they've convinced a large majority of MAGAs
Theories of history change all the time-another example is so called benevolent Slavery and Reconstruction as acceptable to dubious Southern historians - its called Historical Revisionism. How about modern movements to recast the Holocaust?
The use of term Wokeness to ban certain historical perspectives are other examples of how "History" changes
B.See
(3,172 posts)Elessar Zappa
(15,361 posts)Yes, history is still taught in schools.
WVGal1963
(178 posts)And something I often ponder. My mom was a history teacher in our local (rural WV) high school for decades. She was that it teacher - - ALL the kids flocked to her and to this day, her memory is alive and well among her former students. I hear from them all the time. Really. NOT kidding.
Among the things I remember so well were her discussions about WHO got to write textbooks? WHO got to decide which textbooks were being used in our schools? WHO were the editors/writers/historians???? WHAT were their credentials?
She largely did her own thing, (regardless of what may or may not have been in the approved textbook) and went above and beyond. But oh she was so often upset when a new textbook was introduced because they so often lacked info she KNEW was critical for her history students. Oh and as she said a lot
Its pretty tough to get 16 year olds interested in history, and thats why I make sure I bring it alive!! She was animated, entertaining, a magical story teller and again, her students just clamored around her all the time. Sniff. She is so missed.
electric_blue68
(17,343 posts)mitch96
(14,538 posts)RussBLib
(9,592 posts)...Chris Sununu just said on CNN
Au contraire, Mr. Sununu, his base is FINE with Trump being a fascist. It's only the "establishment" Repubs who deny it. He's talking 100mph, and he knows he's lying.
Coexist
(25,787 posts)they know.
LeftInTX
(29,624 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(3,842 posts)Hitler is a meme.
LeftInTX
(29,624 posts)Conjuay
(1,993 posts)were survivors of one of the two theaters, Europe or Pacific. One friend's mother and father both wore tattoos courtesy of Hitler. Another's dad was shell shocked and was never around.
When I think of people I knew or just saw around town when the nightmares were still fresh and the pain real, and then I fast forward to this buffoon and his Nazi wannabes, I am simply enraged.
I can't imagine those souls are resting in peace.
bigtree
(89,475 posts)...nor are the deaths of 100's of thousands of Americans who died taking him down.
Mariana
(14,940 posts)Iris
(15,978 posts)UTUSN
(72,175 posts)B.See
(3,172 posts)and eliminationists had their way about it, people wouldn't know of Hitler or much anything else for that matter.
That's why that orange fuck says, "We love the poorly educated."
msongs
(69,830 posts)LeftInTX
(29,624 posts)Trump with Hitler.
The GOP used to call Obama Hitler. They also used to call Clinton Hitler.
So far, Biden has escaped the monuquor. If Kamela wins, trust me, she will be labeled Hitler.
BOSSHOG
(39,390 posts)Two big parts of my growing up.
msongs
(69,830 posts)LeftInTX
(29,624 posts)My daughter's is 4/21, oldest son is 7/5 and youngest son is day after mine.
My son would say,
"I was born on the day after the 4th of July, George was born on the day after mom's birthday and Grace was born on the day after Hitler's bday"
To which I responded, "How do you know Hitler's Bday? "
His response: "Everyone does"
I learned Hitler's Bday from my son.
My son was implying that his sister was a Nazi.
Then my daughter went through a Nazi obsession when the History Channel went through their Hitler Channel phase about 15 years ago. She couldn't stop watching the stuff.
Demovictory9
(33,463 posts)To another theater goer.
Movie show the day to day life of the Commander of a death camp..wife and kids living their happy life while screams are heard over the wall. Daddy comes home with blood on his boots.
Young person would have nice idea what's going on
IcyPeas
(22,474 posts)Of course, a lot of younger types don't watch cable TV.
We were shown that film of the concentration camps in 9th grade in high school (catholic). That was shocking and eye opening.... to say the least.
Do they still show that film in school?
kacekwl
(7,399 posts)of them do. I know all the local schools here in Northern Illinois take Middle school students to the Holocaust Museum to learn about what happened. I hope all schools or parents do the same.
lees1975
(5,599 posts)I used a couple of novels by Herman Wouk to trace the history of World War 2. It helps keep it in Chronological order and it puts historical events into their context with interactions from the characters of the book. Then we could study and discuss the events from a closer perspective. Texas public school curriculum was so weak.
We had an outstanding Holocaust museum in Houston that was excellent.
WarGamer
(14,849 posts)There's always been this young dude "thing" for Nazis.
GenThePerservering
(2,422 posts)I am now 71. ::sigh::