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msongs

(69,830 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:11 PM 22 hrs ago

how many ppeople under 40 know who is hitler? any of them have a good grasp on that history?

have no idea what is taught in schools these days about that era. being a person who played in bomb shelters post-war on royal air force bases, and in german concrete bunkers on the beaches in France as a traveling hippy, I know lots about the rise of the nazis.

Then again I can go more than 30 seconds without playing with my cell phone lol

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how many ppeople under 40 know who is hitler? any of them have a good grasp on that history? (Original Post) msongs 22 hrs ago OP
has Florida changed their curriculum about Hitler yet? PedroXimenez 22 hrs ago #1
Not under 40 senseandsensibility 22 hrs ago #2
I was born 4 years after the war ended. My father and uncle were WWII vets, so wnylib 19 hrs ago #29
I think of Hitler as timeless Dennis Donovan 21 hrs ago #3
Unfortunately, that reaction has been waning over time. PeaceWave 21 hrs ago #7
Everyone knows who Hitler is iemanja 21 hrs ago #4
Apparently TFG doesn't know much, Hitler lost WWII badly, his generals sought to assassinate him and he committed suicide Rhiannon12866 17 hrs ago #39
He knows Hitler gassed at least iemanja 17 hrs ago #40
How could you not know who Hitler was? PeaceWave 21 hrs ago #5
That's really quite insulting PoindexterOglethorpe 21 hrs ago #6
History is taught as opinion multigraincracker 21 hrs ago #12
Really? History is taught as opinion? PoindexterOglethorpe 20 hrs ago #17
Sure. Just read about any event in history by multigraincracker 19 hrs ago #28
So different interpretations are PoindexterOglethorpe 18 hrs ago #37
In high school iemanja 17 hrs ago #41
I think it's a real question. Sparkly 19 hrs ago #27
Republican Proprogandists Have Definitely Tried to Redefine Fascism and Nazism as Socialist Stallion 20 hrs ago #19
@ Peacewave - We'd be surprised, I'm sure. B.See 19 hrs ago #23
This post has "get off my lawn vibes". Elessar Zappa 21 hrs ago #8
Great question!! WVGal1963 21 hrs ago #9
She sounds cool! I still remember my best teachers, and I'm 71. electric_blue68 20 hrs ago #16
"Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it"...nt mitch96 21 hrs ago #10
"half the country doesn't think they are voting for a fascist" RussBLib 21 hrs ago #11
my kids have seen and love Inglorious Basterds, and video games ALWAYS have the nazis as the bad guys Coexist 21 hrs ago #13
Oh yeah! Inglorious Bastards. LeftInTX 19 hrs ago #33
Everyone knows who Hitler was. BlueTsunami2018 21 hrs ago #14
Bollywood comedy. 1975. Hitler is prison warden. LeftInTX 18 hrs ago #34
I grew up in a time when most of the fathers Conjuay 21 hrs ago #15
the extermination ordered by Hitler of 6 million Jews isn't a secret bigtree 20 hrs ago #18
If they don't, know that, their elders certainly failed them. Mariana 20 hrs ago #20
My 5th grade nephew is reading the Diary of Anne Frank Iris 20 hrs ago #21
The good thing is they don't even know who RAYGUN and LIMBOsevich were. UTUSN 19 hrs ago #22
If the fascist MAGA history revisionists B.See 19 hrs ago #24
thanx for the replies. maybe all this publicity will drive people into researching him nt msongs 19 hrs ago #25
They know all about him. They don't equate LeftInTX 18 hrs ago #35
Did you visit RAF Edzell in Scotland or Air Base Lakenheath England? BOSSHOG 19 hrs ago #26
my dad was stationed at brize norton and there were still a bunch of sptifires around nt msongs 19 hrs ago #32
My son even knows his Bday. It's 420 LeftInTX 19 hrs ago #30
I saw the Nazi movie 'Zone of interest' last year. Could hear a guy quietly explaining.. Demovictory9 19 hrs ago #31
The History Channel constantly run programs about hitler. IcyPeas 18 hrs ago #36
I would hope the majority kacekwl 18 hrs ago #38
I taught it in my history classes and supplemented a very weak curriculum on it. lees1975 17 hrs ago #42
and what % of young people think Hitler was "cool"??? WarGamer 17 hrs ago #43
I remember that when I was in tech school in my 20s GenThePerservering 16 hrs ago #44

PedroXimenez

(492 posts)
1. has Florida changed their curriculum about Hitler yet?
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:15 PM
22 hrs ago

maybe saying Nazis are bad could be seen as bias against Republicans?

Seriously, i'm worried about right wing podcasts etc, lots of revisionism about Nazis. Candace Owens has a huge following for example. What does that lead to in a generation or less?

senseandsensibility

(20,141 posts)
2. Not under 40
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:19 PM
22 hrs ago

but it is definitely still part of the curriculum in CA. I had an excellent teacher in HS who showed us old film of the concentration camps, with dead bodies stacked in piles, the whole nine yards. He said it was because everyone needed to see the truth of what happened. I don't think anyone in that class anyway ever forgot. And that kind of teaching should be happening everywhere.

wnylib

(24,017 posts)
29. I was born 4 years after the war ended. My father and uncle were WWII vets, so
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:54 PM
19 hrs ago

I heard about it growing up. When I was in 7th grade, the movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, was on TV after days of promotions that it would be shown. Teachers encouraged us to watch it in order to know what the war was about.

But, for people under 40 today, I imagine that they have heard about Hitler and Nazis and maybe learned about them in school, but the war and Nazis are as distant to them as Napoleon - far away in geography and time.

Dennis Donovan

(24,105 posts)
3. I think of Hitler as timeless
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:19 PM
21 hrs ago

Just the name "Hitler" elicits a response from just about anyone I know.

Rhiannon12866

(219,746 posts)
39. Apparently TFG doesn't know much, Hitler lost WWII badly, his generals sought to assassinate him and he committed suicide
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:30 PM
17 hrs ago

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,465 posts)
6. That's really quite insulting
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:23 PM
21 hrs ago

and unnecessary.

The real issue is that history is often taught very poorly in our high schools. In every state.

multigraincracker

(33,845 posts)
12. History is taught as opinion
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:45 PM
21 hrs ago

Different story from every teacher. Little use of powerful statistics and peer review.

iemanja

(54,454 posts)
41. In high school
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:34 PM
17 hrs ago

History is taught as a series of dates. As for different interpretations, that is essential to understanding history and historiography. Until the 1960s, slavery was taught as a benevolent institution. That POV had to be challenged to advance understanding.

Sparkly

(24,289 posts)
27. I think it's a real question.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:45 PM
19 hrs ago

And necessary, especially if it concerns people of age to vote and represents a failure of public education.

That begs a lot more questions for school boards and agencies of public policy.

Stallion

(6,575 posts)
19. Republican Proprogandists Have Definitely Tried to Redefine Fascism and Nazism as Socialist
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 07:55 PM
20 hrs ago

there was near universal consensus among historians until the 1990s when there was a groundswell of well funded far-right writings trying to redefine those terms because they got tired of Republican party policies getting criticized. I'd say they've convinced a large majority of MAGAs

Theories of history change all the time-another example is so called benevolent Slavery and Reconstruction as acceptable to dubious Southern historians - its called Historical Revisionism. How about modern movements to recast the Holocaust?

The use of term Wokeness to ban certain historical perspectives are other examples of how "History" changes

WVGal1963

(178 posts)
9. Great question!!
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:25 PM
21 hrs ago

And something I often ponder. My mom was a history teacher in our local (rural WV) high school for decades. She was that “it” teacher - - ALL the kids flocked to her and to this day, her memory is alive and well among her former students. I hear from them all the time. Really. NOT kidding.

Among the things I remember so well were her discussions about WHO got to write textbooks? WHO got to decide which textbooks were being used in our schools? WHO were the editors/writers/historians???? WHAT were their credentials?

She largely did her own thing, (regardless of what may or may not have been in the “approved” textbook) and went above and beyond. But oh she was so often upset when a “new” textbook was introduced because they so often lacked info she KNEW was critical for her history students. Oh and as she said a lot……”It’s pretty tough to get 16 year olds interested in history, and that’s why I make sure I bring it alive!!” She was animated, entertaining, a magical story teller and again, her students just clamored around her all the time. Sniff. She is so missed.



RussBLib

(9,592 posts)
11. "half the country doesn't think they are voting for a fascist"
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:35 PM
21 hrs ago

...Chris Sununu just said on CNN

Au contraire, Mr. Sununu, his base is FINE with Trump being a fascist. It's only the "establishment" Repubs who deny it. He's talking 100mph, and he knows he's lying.

Coexist

(25,787 posts)
13. my kids have seen and love Inglorious Basterds, and video games ALWAYS have the nazis as the bad guys
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:47 PM
21 hrs ago

they know.

Conjuay

(1,993 posts)
15. I grew up in a time when most of the fathers
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:53 PM
21 hrs ago

were survivors of one of the two theaters, Europe or Pacific. One friend's mother and father both wore tattoos courtesy of Hitler. Another's dad was shell shocked and was never around.
When I think of people I knew or just saw around town when the nightmares were still fresh and the pain real, and then I fast forward to this buffoon and his Nazi wannabes, I am simply enraged.
I can't imagine those souls are resting in peace.

bigtree

(89,475 posts)
18. the extermination ordered by Hitler of 6 million Jews isn't a secret
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 07:34 PM
20 hrs ago

...nor are the deaths of 100's of thousands of Americans who died taking him down.

B.See

(3,172 posts)
24. If the fascist MAGA history revisionists
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:33 PM
19 hrs ago

and eliminationists had their way about it, people wouldn't know of Hitler or much anything else for that matter.

That's why that orange fuck says, "We love the poorly educated."

LeftInTX

(29,624 posts)
35. They know all about him. They don't equate
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:30 PM
18 hrs ago

Trump with Hitler.


The GOP used to call Obama Hitler. They also used to call Clinton Hitler.

So far, Biden has escaped the monuquor. If Kamela wins, trust me, she will be labeled Hitler.

BOSSHOG

(39,390 posts)
26. Did you visit RAF Edzell in Scotland or Air Base Lakenheath England?
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:42 PM
19 hrs ago

Two big parts of my growing up.

LeftInTX

(29,624 posts)
30. My son even knows his Bday. It's 420
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:01 PM
19 hrs ago

My daughter's is 4/21, oldest son is 7/5 and youngest son is day after mine.

My son would say,
"I was born on the day after the 4th of July, George was born on the day after mom's birthday and Grace was born on the day after Hitler's bday"

To which I responded, "How do you know Hitler's Bday? "

His response: "Everyone does"

I learned Hitler's Bday from my son.

My son was implying that his sister was a Nazi.

Then my daughter went through a Nazi obsession when the History Channel went through their Hitler Channel phase about 15 years ago. She couldn't stop watching the stuff.

Demovictory9

(33,463 posts)
31. I saw the Nazi movie 'Zone of interest' last year. Could hear a guy quietly explaining..
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:07 PM
19 hrs ago

To another theater goer.

Movie show the day to day life of the Commander of a death camp..wife and kids living their happy life while screams are heard over the wall. Daddy comes home with blood on his boots.


Young person would have nice idea what's going on

IcyPeas

(22,474 posts)
36. The History Channel constantly run programs about hitler.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:31 PM
18 hrs ago

Of course, a lot of younger types don't watch cable TV.

We were shown that film of the concentration camps in 9th grade in high school (catholic). That was shocking and eye opening.... to say the least.

Do they still show that film in school?

kacekwl

(7,399 posts)
38. I would hope the majority
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:13 PM
18 hrs ago

of them do. I know all the local schools here in Northern Illinois take Middle school students to the Holocaust Museum to learn about what happened. I hope all schools or parents do the same.

lees1975

(5,599 posts)
42. I taught it in my history classes and supplemented a very weak curriculum on it.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:54 PM
17 hrs ago

I used a couple of novels by Herman Wouk to trace the history of World War 2. It helps keep it in Chronological order and it puts historical events into their context with interactions from the characters of the book. Then we could study and discuss the events from a closer perspective. Texas public school curriculum was so weak.

We had an outstanding Holocaust museum in Houston that was excellent.

WarGamer

(14,849 posts)
43. and what % of young people think Hitler was "cool"???
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 11:01 PM
17 hrs ago

There's always been this young dude "thing" for Nazis.

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