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muriel_volestrangler

(102,291 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:45 PM 21 hrs ago

47% of Americans support putting undocumented immigrants into camps with military guards

Rounding Up Illegal Immigrants into Militarized Encampments

Americans are divided over support for a policy that would round up and deport immigrants who are in the country illegally, even if it takes setting up encampments guarded by the U.S. military (47% favor, 50% oppose). Nearly eight in ten Republicans (79%) favor putting undocumented immigrants in encampments, compared with 47% of independents and 22% of Democrats.

The vast majority of Americans who most trust far-right news (91%) or Fox News (82%) favor militarized encampments for undocumented immigrants, compared with 44% of Americans who do not watch TV news and 36% who most trust mainstream TV news.

White evangelical Protestants (75%) are most likely to favor militarized encampments for undocumented immigrants, followed by the majority of white Catholics (61%), white mainline/non-evangelical Protestants (58%), and Latter-day Saints (56%). Among non-white Christians, around 47% of Hispanic Protestants, 42% of Black Protestants, and 33% of Hispanic Catholics favor this policy. Four in ten Jewish Americans (39%) and around three in ten unaffiliated Americans (32%) and other non-Christian religions (30%) also support militarized encampments. More than half of Americans who attend church weekly or more (57%) or at least a few times a year (51%) favor putting illegal immigrants in encampments, compared with 41% who seldom or never attend religious services.

Around seven in ten Christian nationalism Adherents and Sympathizers (71%) favor militarized encampments, compared with fewer than four in ten Rejecters and Skeptics (37%).

https://www.prri.org/research/challenges-to-democracy-the-2024-election-in-focus-findings-from-the-2024-american-values-survey/

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47% of Americans support putting undocumented immigrants into camps with military guards (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler 21 hrs ago OP
Very discouraging numbers. Elessar Zappa 21 hrs ago #1
Post removed Post removed 20 hrs ago #13
Interesting the exact Amon t of people who would vote for the convicted felon who tried to overthrow kimbutgar 21 hrs ago #2
We don't want another Executive Order 9066. sakabatou 21 hrs ago #3
Placing undocumented immigrants in a camp with military guards wnylib 21 hrs ago #4
"White evangelical Protestants (75%) are most likely to favor militarized encampments" Skittles 21 hrs ago #5
Putting the 47% in camps will solve this problem bucolic_frolic 21 hrs ago #6
Will any of that 47%........ ProudMNDemocrat 21 hrs ago #7
Post removed Post removed 19 hrs ago #16
The list bdamomma 19 hrs ago #20
Regarding your list soandso 18 hrs ago #23
Sick. LoisB 21 hrs ago #8
White wing Nazi A-holes. Silent Type 20 hrs ago #9
Isn't the group Andy823 20 hrs ago #10
Maybe Ill leave the country even if Kamala wins. I'm really beginning to dislike most Americans. sinkingfeeling 20 hrs ago #11
I'm curious How many Americans did they survey MagickMuffin 20 hrs ago #12
I agree Andy823 20 hrs ago #14
This is not a "group" called "American Values"; it's the American Values Survey by PRRI, a nonpartisan research org muriel_volestrangler 11 hrs ago #37
less than 6000 people - you have to scroll to the end TBF 19 hrs ago #18
Exactly Jilly_in_VA 17 hrs ago #27
... TBF 17 hrs ago #31
America will never be the same again because because even if Harris wins, elocs 20 hrs ago #15
Just wait until they find out it is on parks and public lands. kerry-is-my-prez 19 hrs ago #17
This is sickening bdamomma 19 hrs ago #19
We Tried That Once Already Deep State Witch 19 hrs ago #21
Absolutely fucking insane that Trump going full Nazi isn't a deal breaker. Initech 19 hrs ago #22
I'm split on this. LiberalFighter 17 hrs ago #24
It seems that there is a slide here and globally towards nationalism 2 Meow Momma 17 hrs ago #25
Fear. Globally, the amount of arable land is shrinking rapidly. haele 15 hrs ago #35
Until those rounded up include their groundskeepers, domestic help, and/or service workers/day laborers they depend on Freethinker65 17 hrs ago #26
And American citizens Johonny 17 hrs ago #29
Nearly half of Americans (49%) agree that there is a real danger that Trump will use the presidency to become a dictator Doodley 17 hrs ago #28
The "godly American" portion of the populace are monsters. NoMoreRepugs 17 hrs ago #30
it's funny that they think that only undocumented immigrants will be in the camps ecstatic 16 hrs ago #32
Absolutely NOT as far as military personnel used as guards. keithbvadu2 16 hrs ago #33
"PRRI is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization" Bayard 15 hrs ago #34
Notice the split for how they vote muriel_volestrangler 11 hrs ago #38
Thank you for info on PRRI Bayard 4 hrs ago #39
Dear Jesus, please save me from your followers! Coventina 15 hrs ago #36
Horrifying Johnny2X2X 4 hrs ago #40

Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #1)

kimbutgar

(22,945 posts)
2. Interesting the exact Amon t of people who would vote for the convicted felon who tried to overthrow
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:51 PM
21 hrs ago

Our government in 2020 and is planning another coup this time again when he loses. Unfortunately I feel there are a some government employees that are still imbedded from his administration waiting to finish the job. A great example the person inside the intelligence community who released the US intelligence on Iran ‘s war plans.

wnylib

(24,017 posts)
4. Placing undocumented immigrants in a camp with military guards
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:55 PM
21 hrs ago

is the first step down a very dangerous slope. Makes it easier to start rounding up other people.

Skittles

(157,739 posts)
5. "White evangelical Protestants (75%) are most likely to favor militarized encampments"
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 06:58 PM
21 hrs ago

no surprise there; it's just more proof their "faith" is a lot of bullshit

bucolic_frolic

(46,405 posts)
6. Putting the 47% in camps will solve this problem
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 07:02 PM
21 hrs ago

The same laws apply to them. Yes, I know they're citizens. Let them prove it.

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,778 posts)
7. Will any of that 47%........
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 07:03 PM
21 hrs ago

Be willing to...
Pick fruits and vegetables all day
Clean Hotel rooms
Work in construction
Work in restaurants
Roof houses
Do landscaping
Work in slaughterhouses
Do Janitor work and Housekeeping in Hospitals

as well as all the other low waged jobs regular Americans are unwilling to do?

They can say they support putting immigrants, regardless of status, in detention camps and then be deported. But are they willing to pay the higher prices for everything else they consume? Accept the fact that ther will be staff shortages in the economy that will drive up prices?

I do not think they have thought out that stuff in advance.

Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #7)

bdamomma

(65,685 posts)
20. The list
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:50 PM
19 hrs ago

you have provided, Americans wouldn't do those jobs. Maybe that's their reasoning to close the Department of Education, to have child labor again, and women to have more babies to fuel their sick ideas.


I hate to think if this unspeakable thing happens. The felon will crash the economy for sure. And those tech bros will try to institute crypto currency by ditching the dollar. Also remember Project 2025, that will be in place. Women, LGBT, will have more restrictions on them and others. The risks to our way of living and our rights will diminish.

Do we really want to live in a fascist country???? The world is watching, are we going to put this imbecile in office or have a JD Vance to take his place??? Do we want our children to have less rights than us???? Do we want to see our foreign allies shun us?? NATO be disassembled? Climate change initiatives ended????

I will stop there. We ALL have one thing to do: VOTE

Preaching to choir perhaps, but you get the picture.

soandso

(741 posts)
23. Regarding your list
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:37 PM
18 hrs ago

Other than migrant workers who have picked crops for I don't know how long (since I was a kid in ancient times), when did it happen that Americans would not do those jobs? I don't know if you're right that they won't (you might be) but it's an appalling situation if you are. Other than picking crops and working in those places that murder animals, I've known many Americans who have done all of those jobs.

Andy823

(11,519 posts)
10. Isn't the group
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 07:56 PM
20 hrs ago

doing this survey a religious republican group? If so I am sure they are working with trump.

MagickMuffin

(16,989 posts)
12. I'm curious How many Americans did they survey
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:05 PM
20 hrs ago


I even wasted time on their website looking for that information. I didn’t want to waste more time looking for it.


Andy823

(11,519 posts)
14. I agree
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:11 PM
20 hrs ago

Not only how many but from what I found the group American Values could be a republican group helping trump.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,291 posts)
37. This is not a "group" called "American Values"; it's the American Values Survey by PRRI, a nonpartisan research org
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:09 AM
11 hrs ago
Partners include The Atlantic, The Brookings Institution’s Governance Studies Program, the American Academy of Religion (AAR), and Georgetown University’s Berkley Center for Religion, Peace & World Affairs.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/public-religion-research-institute-prri/

In 2014, PRRI launched the American Values Atlas, an interactive online tool that provides information about religious, political and demographic composition for all 50 states and particular issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Religion_Research_Institute

If you notice the "Christian nationalism" measure they use, I think you'll agree they aren't Republicans, or helping Trump.

TBF

(33,833 posts)
18. less than 6000 people - you have to scroll to the end
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:33 PM
19 hrs ago

for the methodology. It's a confusing mish-mash of online and usps. It didn't make sense to me at all.

elocs

(23,028 posts)
15. America will never be the same again because because even if Harris wins,
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:16 PM
20 hrs ago

those 47% of Americans who support putting undocumented immigrants into camps with military guards will still be here...waiting. This is what and who we have become as a nation. Sad.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,932 posts)
17. Just wait until they find out it is on parks and public lands.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:28 PM
19 hrs ago

DeSantis tried that in Florida and everyone went nuts. He had put signs up saying there was going to be construction at 13 parks, ended up taking them down and denied that he was serious about it. I think there was a fair number of Republicans who were upset. That is one thing that pisses a lot of them off - doing something that will kill off animals.

bdamomma

(65,685 posts)
19. This is sickening
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:38 PM
19 hrs ago

and horrifying. Don't these people realize that they came from Immigrants???? Now they want to detain people in concentration camps????? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The felon wants death and chaos.

Vote our lives depend on it!!!

Deep State Witch

(11,125 posts)
21. We Tried That Once Already
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:58 PM
19 hrs ago

How'd that work out for the Japanese-Americans during WWII?

I want to see Americans out there picking vegetables in the heat of summer without undocumented immigrants to do it.

Initech

(101,482 posts)
22. Absolutely fucking insane that Trump going full Nazi isn't a deal breaker.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:01 PM
19 hrs ago

Fuck Fox News, fuck them to the hottest circle of hell.

LiberalFighter

(53,352 posts)
24. I'm split on this.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:41 PM
17 hrs ago

Could the camp be at Maralago?

Could use imminent domain to make it happen.

Still need to determine if legitimate to place them in a camp.

2 Meow Momma

(6,746 posts)
25. It seems that there is a slide here and globally towards nationalism
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:51 PM
17 hrs ago

and anti-immigrant feelings.

In my feeble brain, that seems to be sliding away from evolution.

haele

(13,351 posts)
35. Fear. Globally, the amount of arable land is shrinking rapidly.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:53 AM
15 hrs ago

Climate migrants tend to be minimally educated, culturally traditional families with few skills "Richer" nations want.
Large numbers of minimally unemployable men coming into a country where they don't speak the language and aren't familiar with the cultural norms - especially if the country doesn't really need that much additional labor - tends to cause an increase in tensions and small conflicts.
It's fear of being invaded, of having to compete for the basic things; the uncertainty and resentment from having to upend one's life and go to someplace alien to your habits and traditions - and having to depend on charity there just to get by when you used to be able to take care of yourself and live with self-respect and dignity.
Climate Migrants don't want to leave "home" but they have no choice. They have to leave with whatever they could carry.
Countries don't mind migrants, but don't want masses of desperate people who have little to bring with them, people who need to be taken care of because they have no place to go back to if things don't work out.
Sadly, until we as people in general can get our heads wrapped around the concept of we're all in this together, there's going to be a devolution to selfish tribal thinking whenever a situation becomes difficult.

Hawle

Freethinker65

(10,945 posts)
26. Until those rounded up include their groundskeepers, domestic help, and/or service workers/day laborers they depend on
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 10:59 PM
17 hrs ago

Johonny

(21,815 posts)
29. And American citizens
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 11:11 PM
17 hrs ago

It is impossible to give due process to that many people. Any sweeping program such as this will arrest and round up lots of legal Americans.

Once you make a concentration camp, who you put in it gets a lot hazier.

Doodley

(10,117 posts)
28. Nearly half of Americans (49%) agree that there is a real danger that Trump will use the presidency to become a dictator
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 11:06 PM
17 hrs ago

If they vote accordingly, we win.

keithbvadu2

(39,682 posts)
33. Absolutely NOT as far as military personnel used as guards.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 11:36 PM
16 hrs ago

If it must be done, use gov't civilian guards. Call them marshals or whatever.

Bayard

(23,949 posts)
34. "PRRI is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization"
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:31 AM
15 hrs ago

I'm still suspicious. As the old saying goes--If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention. I have a hard time believing that half the country's population consists of vicious and unempathetic people.

Without undocumented workers in agriculture in Calif, the state's economy, (fifth largest in the world,) would collapse. That means the rest of the country will also be doing without much fresh fruit and vegetables. We would also be unable to fill menial jobs in housekeeping, construction, factories, etc. That sounds to me like the whole country's economy would collapse. Not too many bona fide "Americans," want to work for minimum wage with no benefits.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,291 posts)
38. Notice the split for how they vote
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:20 AM
11 hrs ago

"Nearly eight in ten Republicans (79%) favor putting undocumented immigrants in encampments, compared with 47% of independents and 22% of Democrats."
The vicious and unempathetic are overwhelmingly Republicans, and that's extremely easy to believe.

PRRI is pretty well-known for polls about attitudes, especially to do with religion.

Johnny2X2X

(21,388 posts)
40. Horrifying
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:37 AM
4 hrs ago

I would wager that less than 47% of Germans favored putting Jews into concentration camps prior to the Holocaust.

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