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Ramsey Barner

(582 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:21 AM 9 hrs ago

A letter from 200+ mental health professionals on Trump's dangerous psychopathology

[This letter will run as a print ad in The New York Times.]

A letter from mental health professionals on Trump’s dangerous psychopathology - Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee

As mental health professionals, we have an ethical duty to warn the public that Donald Trump is an existential threat to democracy. His symptoms of severe, untreatable personality disorder—malignant narcissism—makes him deceitful, destructive, deluded, and dangerous. He is grossly unfit for leadership.

Trump exhibits behavior that tracks with the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual’s (DSM V) diagnostic criteria for “narcissistic personality disorder,” “antisocial personality disorder,” and “paranoid personality disorder,” all made worse by his intense sadism, which is a symptom of malignant narcissism. This psychological type was first identified by German psychologist Erich Fromm to explain the psychology of history’s most “evil” dictators.

Detractors object that we mental health professionals cannot render such a diagnosis without first examining the patient, citing the “Goldwater Rule.” We believe that we have an overriding ethical duty to warn the public of the danger this individual poses. History has taught us that in such circumstances, saying nothing is never the more ethical choice.

Since the Goldwater Rule was adopted, the field has modernized the DSM diagnostic system, which relies exclusively on “observable behavioral criteria.” For many years, we’ve all observed thousands of hours of Trump’s behavior, reinforced by the observations of dozens of individuals who have interacted with him personally. Using the DSM V, it is easy to see that Trump meets the behavioral criteria for antisocial personality disorder. Even a non-clinician can see that Trump shows a lifetime pattern of “failure to conform to social norms and laws,” “repeated lying,” “reckless disregard for the safety of others,” “irritability,” “impulsivity,” “irresponsibility,” and “lack of remorse.”

Because of their sadism, malignant narcissists often derive joy from inflicting suffering on others because they disregard the emotions and wellbeing of other people—especially their perceived enemies. For example, according to first-hand accounts, Trump watched the violence he unleashed on January 6 for three hours on TV with “glee,” watching his favorite parts “over and over” on “rewind.”

To make matters worse, Trump appears to be showing signs of cognitive decline that urgently cry out for a full neurological work-up, including an MRI and neuropsychological testing. These symptoms include: a dramatic decrease in verbal fluency, tangential thinking, diminished vocabulary, overuse of superlatives and filler words, perseveration, confabulation, phonemic paraphasia, semantic paraphasia, confusing people (not just names), as well as exhibiting deteriorating judgment, impulse control, and motor functioning (including a wide-based gait). We suspect the results of such an evaluation would be disqualifying. If, as we suspect, Trump does have organically based cognitive decline, it will only get worse over time, grossly degrading his already impaired judgment, impulse control, memory, attention, reality testing, and capacity to process information, while dramatically exacerbating the symptoms of his toxic personality disorder.

People suffering with mental illness are no more likely to be dangerous than the general population. Malignant narcissism is the very rare exception. Without question, malignant narcissists have been history’s most grandiose, paranoid, and murderous leaders. Inevitably, they escalate until they are completely out of control, ultimately destroying themselves and the nations they lead.

As mental health professionals we feel a desperate duty to warn our fellow citizens of this imminent catastrophic public danger before it’s too late.
https://www.psychopac.org/open-letter/

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A letter from 200+ mental health professionals on Trump's dangerous psychopathology (Original Post) Ramsey Barner 9 hrs ago OP
This will change the mind of every diehard Trump supporter who gets daily delivery of the New York Times. NT mahatmakanejeeves 9 hrs ago #1
Good point. Ramsey Barner 8 hrs ago #6
I immediately posted it on my social media account, ariadne0614 6 hrs ago #12
This is HUGE... while they are only putting it in the NYT, it'll get press coverage EVERYWHERE!!! Jmb 4 Harris-Walz 9 hrs ago #2
What took them so long? rambler_american 7 hrs ago #8
This will not influence hardcore cult MAGA members, but it could madaboutharry 9 hrs ago #3
K&R 2naSalit 8 hrs ago #4
Better late than never MadameButterfly 8 hrs ago #5
Found this article at The Independent Jmb 4 Harris-Walz 7 hrs ago #7
So, what disorder do people have who find the Orange One irresistible? Magoo48 7 hrs ago #9
All we need now is for the Catholic Cardinals to start calling him the "Antichrist" FakeNoose 7 hrs ago #10
Pity that misogyny is not in the DSM. niyad 6 hrs ago #11
How many open-minded Trump voters will read this? Martin Eden 5 hrs ago #13
Dr. Bandy Lee Johnnie Mae 4 hrs ago #14
This letter is ignored by 30% +/- Americans as faults republianmushroom 3 hrs ago #15

ariadne0614

(1,851 posts)
12. I immediately posted it on my social media account,
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:32 AM
6 hrs ago

. . .and imagine I am not alone. There’s no time to devote energy to paralyzing cynicism.

Jmb 4 Harris-Walz

(671 posts)
2. This is HUGE... while they are only putting it in the NYT, it'll get press coverage EVERYWHERE!!!
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:55 AM
9 hrs ago

Thank God these psychologists are doing this! Perhaps this crisis can still be averted! Get him out BEFORE the election…

How would that work? Would Vance automatically be substituted as his VP pick? Jeez, hope not!

rambler_american

(827 posts)
8. What took them so long?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:49 AM
7 hrs ago

We've know this about TSF for years. Now? Less than two weeks before the election? Probably too late to change many minds.

madaboutharry

(41,163 posts)
3. This will not influence hardcore cult MAGA members, but it could
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:17 AM
9 hrs ago

influence those republicans who have never voted for a democrat, know in their hearts that Trump is a sick and deviant individual, and who need a nudge to push them over to marking their ballot for Harris.

MadameButterfly

(1,431 posts)
5. Better late than never
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:34 AM
8 hrs ago

It's a great letter, but seriously we've known this for a while, have been debating the ethics question for a while, the remaining author of the Goldwater Rule has said it doesn't apply here, and they waited until peope have already been voting?

Jmb 4 Harris-Walz

(671 posts)
7. Found this article at The Independent
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:21 AM
7 hrs ago
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-george-conway-anti-psychopath-election-b2634614.html

More than 230 doctors declare Trump too unstable to serve in ad campaign from George Conway’s PAC

Letter states that the Republican candidate ‘appears to be showing signs of cognitive decline that urgently call for a full neurological workup’

More than 230 psychiatrists and mental health professionals have signed on to an open letter declaring Donald Trump to be far too mentally unstable to be president as part of a new ad campaign from conservative lawyer George Conway’s Anti-Psychopath PAC.

The open letter will be published on Thursday as a paid advertisement in The New York Times, and states that Trump’s “symptoms of severe, untreatable personality disorder — malignant narcissism” have rendered him “deceitful, destructive, deluded, and dangerous” as well as “grossly unfit for leadership.”

The mental health experts who’ve signed the letter also say the ex-president, who despite being the oldest ever person to seek a second term at age 78 has not released any meaningful medical records, “appears to be showing signs of cognitive decline that urgently call for a full neurological workup,” including “a dramatic decrease in verbal fluency, tangential thinking, diminished vocabulary, overuse of superlatives and filler words, perseveration, confabulation, phonemic paraphasia, semantic paraphasia, confusing people (not just names), as well as exhibiting deteriorating judgment, impulse control, and motor functioning (including a wide-based gait).”

“We suspect the results of such an evaluation would be disqualifying. If, as we suspect, Trump does have organically based cognitive decline, it will only get worse over time, grossly degrading his already impaired judgment, impulse control, memory, attention, reality testing, and capacity to process information, while dramatically exacerbating the symptoms of his toxic personality disorder,” they added.

Additionally, the Anti-Psychopath PAC is purchasing airtime on CNN, alongside NBC’s Meet the Press, and on cable systems in Palm Beach, Florida and Bedminster, New Jersey to air a new 60-second spot featuring four mental health professionals who lay out how Trump’s alleged symptoms make him unfit for office.

FakeNoose

(35,221 posts)
10. All we need now is for the Catholic Cardinals to start calling him the "Antichrist"
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:11 AM
7 hrs ago


I know ... that'll never happen.

Martin Eden

(13,341 posts)
13. How many open-minded Trump voters will read this?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:25 AM
5 hrs ago

For that matter, how many Trump voters are open minded?

Perhaps the warning may have some impact on potential 3rd party voters and people on the fence whether to vote at all.

Johnnie Mae

(40 posts)
14. Dr. Bandy Lee
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:28 AM
4 hrs ago

Thanks Dr. Bandy. My husband & I have been waiting for this report. I don't post often. But this is so important and I am so grateful. Vote blue. Bring it on Kamala💙

republianmushroom

(17,099 posts)
15. This letter is ignored by 30% +/- Americans as faults
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:18 PM
3 hrs ago

but, that same 30% +/- believe that politicians know more abut women's health care when it comes to abortion than those health professionals. Talk about "Dumb and dumber".

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