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JohnSJ

(95,609 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:39 AM 9 hrs ago

Town hall ignites fierce debate: Why must Harris be 'flawless' while Trump goes 'lawless?'

"A town hall analysis breaking down the policies Kamala Harris was asked about Wednesday night abruptly flipped into a discussion about the inconsistencies in how the vice president and Donald Trump are being treated, with one CNN panelist declaring: “They’re not taking the same exam.”

“He gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless. That’s what's unfair. That's what's unfair tonight,” said former Obama White House official Van Jones. “They're not taking the same exam. Look, she has policies, she may not articulate them perfectly every time…but she’s fighting for actual ideas that will help real people and he’s talking about people’s penises, and so they are not taking the same exam and that’s pissing people off – it’s pissing me off.”

The moment came just after Harris wrapped up a town hall with CNN’s Anderson Cooper that was originally scheduled as a presidential debate before Trump dropped out and later refused to commit to holding his own town hall with the network.

https://www.rawstory.com/kamala-harris-2669467828/

In that double standard conversation the rethug pundits weren't concerned about that double standard, they were "concerned" that VP Harris might consider ending the filibuster. The filibuster that was created to support slavery.

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Town hall ignites fierce debate: Why must Harris be 'flawless' while Trump goes 'lawless?' (Original Post) JohnSJ 9 hrs ago OP
tsf wouldn't even show up to take the "exam." BlueKota 9 hrs ago #1
Speaks volumes doesn't it? JohnSJ 9 hrs ago #2
Definitely BlueKota 9 hrs ago #3
True. From The Ashes 9 hrs ago #5
...and at Most Schools, That's an Automatic Fail. The_Counsel 6 hrs ago #17
He has NEVER done anything that was hard. He just hired someone to fill in for him and then often didn't pay them. usaf-vet 6 hrs ago #18
30+ years of Fox news and right-wing propaganda media is how this country has gotten itself into this fix. hadEnuf 4 hrs ago #36
Unlike college, he couldn't hire someone to take this exam for him. Lonestarblue 4 hrs ago #31
Like she could end the filibuster singlehandedly. BWdem4life 9 hrs ago #4
I believe she wouldn't have anything to do with ending the filibuster. It would be up to the Senate. Yes, she could JohnSJ 9 hrs ago #6
That Was My First Thought ProfessorGAC 8 hrs ago #11
Remember the magas don't know how ANY of it works. Trump 'will be a dictator on Day 1' so they think Harris can be too? Attilatheblond 1 hr ago #49
Because we let 'horse race' media and journalists take control of the conversation. marble falls 9 hrs ago #7
Van Jones is right and the double standard is insane LymphocyteLover 8 hrs ago #8
Reminds me of a time Puppyjive 8 hrs ago #9
Mr. Wonderful, himself, prefers investing with women. CrispyQ 5 hrs ago #30
I caught some of the Dana Bash nonsense before cutting it off BumRushDaShow 8 hrs ago #10
Honestly... Gaytano70 6 hrs ago #20
I saw Scott Jennings when I tuned in to CNN Seinan Sensei 5 hrs ago #29
It took 10 replies to get to the answer BaronChocula 2 hrs ago #42
It was "baked in" to the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution BumRushDaShow 2 hrs ago #43
It is no longer the real filibuster, anyway. raging moderate 8 hrs ago #12
Bingo. Susan Calvin 58 min ago #52
Great question liberal N proud 8 hrs ago #13
All true and I hope a reckoning is coming soon. Joinfortmill 7 hrs ago #14
A-fucking-men to that! raccoon 7 hrs ago #15
That's an excellent frame RussBLib 7 hrs ago #16
They are NOT taking the same exam, and every woman (and possibly person of color) knows that freaking feeling Coexist 6 hrs ago #19
Not a fan of Van Jones but he said it right... jcgoldie 5 hrs ago #21
Van Jones does that very thing to Harris in his comment. travelingthrulife 5 hrs ago #22
Glad someone is pushing back mcar 5 hrs ago #23
And disproportionate as hell. calimary 4 hrs ago #37
Because race, gender, political party. next question please AZLD4Candidate 5 hrs ago #24
Exactly Trump can talk about "I wish I had Hitler's Generals.... chouchou 5 hrs ago #25
We lost our media long ago The Unmitigated Gall 5 hrs ago #26
"He gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless." CrispyQ 5 hrs ago #27
I only watched the town hall. As soon as it was over I turned it off. I do not watch any of it. STOP watching fascists onecaliberal 5 hrs ago #28
CNN Critique was So Biased people 4 hrs ago #32
They have been that way for a while. JohnSJ 4 hrs ago #33
As President, Kamala Harris can't end the filibuster. patphil 4 hrs ago #34
Because of the double standards placed on VP Harris by the news media (sic). republianmushroom 4 hrs ago #35
Sure seems that way, doesn't it! calimary 4 hrs ago #38
It is that way. republianmushroom 4 hrs ago #39
IOKIYAR is the dominant principle Stargleamer 3 hrs ago #40
That's why pisses me off the most about pundits. They give Trump a pass for not having any real policy positions Martin68 2 hrs ago #41
Funny isn't it malaise 2 hrs ago #44
Yeah, or pathetic just how sexist this country is JohnSJ 2 hrs ago #45
Maybe it's because things are different now than in 2016. Mr.Bill 1 hr ago #46
I will tell you why Mr. Sparkle 1 hr ago #47
Lawless vs flawless pretty well sums it up. Roevember is almost here. Stay mad. Hermit-The-Prog 1 hr ago #48
I'm sorry I didn't stick around for that one. Susan Calvin 1 hr ago #50
Because Women Face A Higher Standard Deep State Witch 1 hr ago #51

The_Counsel

(1,730 posts)
17. ...and at Most Schools, That's an Automatic Fail.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:17 AM
6 hrs ago

A big fat ZERO is what you get when you don't show up for an important exam. Automatic fail.

You might--MIGHT--get a chance to make it up, but you don't normally get to negotiate the terms of said make-up. And if you don't even bother to SHOW UP for the make-up? Holy shit!

But see....that's why Trump has somehow lived 78.5 years without ever growing up. He's lived those 78.5 years by a set of rules different from most everyone else. He's come to expect it. It's infuriating, really...

usaf-vet

(6,756 posts)
18. He has NEVER done anything that was hard. He just hired someone to fill in for him and then often didn't pay them.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:19 AM
6 hrs ago

I cannot figure out how this country got itself into this fix.

I hope the history books grant him his wishes and put him in the same chapters that exposed Hilter for the evil SOB that he was. Trump has earned his SOB status already.

hadEnuf

(2,603 posts)
36. 30+ years of Fox news and right-wing propaganda media is how this country has gotten itself into this fix.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:02 PM
4 hrs ago

Not to forget the rudderless, brainwashed, selfish and hateful rubes that have lapped up this shit for years.

JohnSJ

(95,609 posts)
6. I believe she wouldn't have anything to do with ending the filibuster. It would be up to the Senate. Yes, she could
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:16 AM
9 hrs ago

express support for it, but I believe it would be up to the Senate rules to actually change it.


Attilatheblond

(4,055 posts)
49. Remember the magas don't know how ANY of it works. Trump 'will be a dictator on Day 1' so they think Harris can be too?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:10 PM
1 hr ago

Education is a serious problem in this country.

Puppyjive

(567 posts)
9. Reminds me of a time
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:26 AM
8 hrs ago

I worked for the railroad and was always being evaluated much more than the guys. I finally called them out on their shit. The women were much more serious about the job and seemed to work much more harder than the guys. We had to prove ourselves. Looking back, what a bunch of bullshit.

CrispyQ

(37,932 posts)
30. Mr. Wonderful, himself, prefers investing with women.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:16 AM
5 hrs ago

I was really surprised when I read this article.

Shark Tank’s Kevin O’Leary Prefers Investing With Women. Here’s Why.
By Jack Otter
June 21, 2019

https://www.barrons.com/articles/shark-tanks-kevin-oleary-invests-only-with-women-heres-why-51561159764

snip...

“I’d give money to a goat if I could get a return,” says Kevin O’Leary, “I really don’t care.” An investor best known for playing the tough guy on a panel full of tough characters on the reality venture-capital show Shark Tank, O’Leary is making the point that he has no political or social agenda. He’s all about capitalism.

snip...

So it is surprising, to say the least, that O’Leary invests almost exclusively in companies founded and run by women. That approach sounds an awful lot like “gender lens” investing, a subset of ESG that aims to boost returns by investing in companies with female leadership, or that are dedicated to improving women’s lives. (For more on this, see “Improving Women’s Issues Leads to Better Investment Returns.”) O’Leary, who ran for prime minister of Canada on the conservative line, doesn’t come off like a gender-lens investing kind of guy. But he is adamant: After taking stakes in 39 companies through Shark Tank, he has gotten significantly better returns from start-ups founded and run by women. And he doesn’t think it’s a coincidence.

The single most important factor in the outperformance of female entrepreneurs, O’Leary says, is their tendency to set reasonable goals for growth. Men, he says, often set “testosterone targets, crazy goals that they only hit 60% of the time.” There are many benefits to setting achievable goals, including cash management—when your growth assumptions are accurate, you can manage your cash flow properly. If growth comes in far below assumptions, you might run out of money before you’re generating enough to cover costs.

snip...

Studies have suggested that gender diversity in the C-suite and on corporate boards leads to better performance. Among other things, research has shown a correlation between gender diversity on corporate boards and lower volatility. And one theory with some, but not unanimous, scientific basis posits that women tend to be more risk-averse. That hypothesis strikes a cord with O’Leary, who wants a hedge against the inherently risky proposition of funding start-ups.

BumRushDaShow

(140,282 posts)
10. I caught some of the Dana Bash nonsense before cutting it off
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:33 AM
8 hrs ago

but the bottom line is that they CAN'T have a n***er woman show up and outperform the criminal white supremacist fascist loser that the media supports.

The brief time I caught included the pretzel-twisting idiocy on CNN that whined about her "discussing policy", claiming "people want to know more about her", that then comes back to whining about her "discussing herself", but insisting "people want to know more about her policy".

They are fucking racists. Straight up.

Ted Turner is still around. I wish he would buy them back and fire every last one of them.

Gaytano70

(1,031 posts)
20. Honestly...
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:39 AM
6 hrs ago

I told CNN to F all the way off a long time ago, and I reaffirm that decision.

F off, CNN. F all the Fing way the F off!

Seinan Sensei

(648 posts)
29. I saw Scott Jennings when I tuned in to CNN
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:12 AM
5 hrs ago

He's a snarky asshole: " Everyone's words do have meaning. Everyone's except for [VP Harris] "
Makes faces when others are talking, like a fourth grader in class.
Interrupts others while they are talking, like a fourth grader in class.
Gish Gallops whenever he gets the floor.

And by the way, my apologies to assholes.
At least they serve a useful function.

BaronChocula

(2,431 posts)
42. It took 10 replies to get to the answer
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:49 PM
2 hrs ago

Race and gender.
The White Man's Pass.

A plurality of Americans give deference to those they perceive as powerful. The model of power for them is a rich white male fighting to preserve privilege for rich white males. The rapist is just that.

It's a richly American practice to give white men like trump the White Man's Pass. It's given by all elements of our society including (especially) the corporate press/media.

BumRushDaShow

(140,282 posts)
43. It was "baked in" to the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:53 PM
2 hrs ago

by those wealthy white male landowner "founding fathers".

raging moderate

(4,485 posts)
12. It is no longer the real filibuster, anyway.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:50 AM
8 hrs ago

The original filibuster required planning, provision, and endurance. One member spoke on the floor, as long as he could stand there and think of something meaningful to say on a given subject. What they have now just involves signing a few forms, or something.

RussBLib

(9,592 posts)
16. That's an excellent frame
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:12 AM
7 hrs ago

...he gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless.

Talk about a double standard!

Coexist

(25,787 posts)
19. They are NOT taking the same exam, and every woman (and possibly person of color) knows that freaking feeling
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:20 AM
6 hrs ago

it's a trigger and I hope it wakes some people up

travelingthrulife

(358 posts)
22. Van Jones does that very thing to Harris in his comment.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:48 AM
5 hrs ago

"Look, she has policies, she might not articulate them perfectly every time"

WHY would he add that statement? He is doing exactly what he is 'complaining' about.

mcar

(43,341 posts)
23. Glad someone is pushing back
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:50 AM
5 hrs ago

I turned CNN off soon after the town hall, when Bash said Harris hadn't sealed the deal or something equally stupid.

chouchou

(1,202 posts)
25. Exactly Trump can talk about "I wish I had Hitler's Generals....
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:00 AM
5 hrs ago

...so I could wipe out some of the left people" Oh well..That's just being Donnie-boy.
Kamala Harris can say "I had A egg for breakfast"
The media>> "That stupid Bit**.....Doesn't she know how to speak proper English... GRRRRR!

CrispyQ

(37,932 posts)
27. "He gets to be lawless, she has to be flawless."
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:07 AM
5 hrs ago

Damn, that's good! And also something every woman in America—scratch that—on the planet, has experienced.

onecaliberal

(35,404 posts)
28. I only watched the town hall. As soon as it was over I turned it off. I do not watch any of it. STOP watching fascists
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:09 AM
5 hrs ago

people

(679 posts)
32. CNN Critique was So Biased
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:43 AM
4 hrs ago

I was shocked about the criticisms I heard from Dana Bash, in particular. I thought Kamala did a great job! She's a real human being and you could see her answering some incredibly difficult questions on her feet. There are not any politicians I can think of who would subject themselves to that and do any better. Her answers on inflation and Israel Gaza were not perfect because THERE IS NOTHING PERFECT TO SAY ABOUT EITHER OF THESE SITUATIONS!!! These are both very complicated issues for many different reasons. CNN was worse than I even expected it to be.

patphil

(6,843 posts)
34. As President, Kamala Harris can't end the filibuster.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:51 AM
4 hrs ago

The Senate has to do that.
The best we could hope for is, if Harris wins and the Senate stays in the hands of the Democrats, for a change in the rules to exempt certain legislation from filibuster.
This could be used on legislation for budget, voting rights, civil rights, women's reproductive rights, and confirmation of appointments made by the President.
As it stands now, the Senate is essentially non-functional when it comes to controversial legislation.
Changes to the filibuster process are needed to make the Senate work again.

republianmushroom

(17,099 posts)
35. Because of the double standards placed on VP Harris by the news media (sic).
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 11:55 AM
4 hrs ago

The news media (sic) is protecting their golden cow.

Stargleamer

(2,141 posts)
40. IOKIYAR is the dominant principle
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:38 PM
3 hrs ago

God, how the electorate is so harsh when it comes to Democrats, so likely to let damaging info slide when it comes to Republicans

Martin68

(24,379 posts)
41. That's why pisses me off the most about pundits. They give Trump a pass for not having any real policy positions
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:34 PM
2 hrs ago

at all, and then criticize Harris for not having detailed her policy positions to their personal standards. There is one candidate who is a real candidate, with a great platform, and the other who is a phony in every sense of the word, running on pure chaos and confusion.

Mr.Bill

(24,694 posts)
46. Maybe it's because things are different now than in 2016.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:51 PM
1 hr ago

But Hillary kicked Trump's ass back then in the popular vote. And that was when most people thought Trump would somehow change into some kind of decent president if he won. I think many know better than that now.

Mr. Sparkle

(3,072 posts)
47. I will tell you why
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:59 PM
1 hr ago

they have huge fake media organizations that can reach all of their voters. The last few years that have started right wing media organizations to reach out to black and latino voters.

while we have *checks notes , none. That's why since the 90's we have to run world class politicians to win , while they can run dummies. This is a bit simplistic but the gist is the same.

Susan Calvin

(2,013 posts)
50. I'm sorry I didn't stick around for that one.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:15 PM
1 hr ago

I flipped the channel as soon as Dana Bash got five words out of her mouth.

Deep State Witch

(11,125 posts)
51. Because Women Face A Higher Standard
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:16 PM
1 hr ago

Women, especially WOC, are held to higher standards than men. A mediocre white man can be successful just by having the right connections. Women have to work twice as hard for everything. Remember the old saying, "Ginger Rogers did the same thing as Fred Astaire, only backwards and in high heels."

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