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99% of the problem. (Original Post) 634-5789 7 hrs ago OP
Wow, I never read that before. Bluethroughu 6 hrs ago #1
I've seen it before. We all need reminders of shit like this from time to time...nt Wounded Bear 6 hrs ago #6
I'll never forget it. Bluethroughu 6 hrs ago #7
My immediate response also. WOW. liberalla 6 hrs ago #15
It's the essence of gaslighting, a common tactic of narcissists. wnylib 5 hrs ago #19
Yes DENVERPOPS 3 hrs ago #25
Wonder how she survived WWII KS Toronado 6 hrs ago #2
*she LoveTheDU 6 hrs ago #4
Hannah Arendt lived her final years in NYC having escaped the Nazis in 1940 FakeNoose 6 hrs ago #5
LOL, should have looked closer at the name, Thanks KS Toronado 6 hrs ago #9
K&R c-rational 6 hrs ago #3
War brings out the worst in people. What else would a war on truth summon? jaxexpat 6 hrs ago #8
War brings out the worst in many people, soldierant 1 hr ago #34
Bought The Origins of Totalitarianism after Jan 6 jfz9580m 6 hrs ago #10
An excellent point by the woman who famously described Eichmann as an expression of the "banality of evil." NNadir 6 hrs ago #11
Besides Trump and the GOP Farmer-Rick 6 hrs ago #12
And it is best when you can wrap your tyrrany in a flag and coat it with religion. erronis 6 hrs ago #13
But those stories were born out of allegory. LisaM 4 hrs ago #23
When I was a kid Farmer-Rick 2 hrs ago #32
Thank you. soldierant 1 hr ago #35
I recently found out of a currently existing earthquake in fundamental truth in my family. Tetrachloride 6 hrs ago #14
How true birdographer 5 hrs ago #16
Hannah Arendt is a great read bucolic_frolic 5 hrs ago #17
She truly was brilliant Wiz Imp 5 hrs ago #20
Very interesting and so true TommieMommy 5 hrs ago #18
Truth! KnR. n/t iluvtennis 5 hrs ago #21
Wow! That is an AMAZING quote. calimary 4 hrs ago #22
AI seems designed to carry out this philosophy. LisaM 4 hrs ago #24
Small Wonder? jfz9580m 3 hrs ago #27
I can no longer distinguish between... lame54 3 hrs ago #26
Precisely what is happening in America dlk 3 hrs ago #28
Hannah called it "the banality of evil". Ping Tung 3 hrs ago #29
According to the Hannah Arendt Center for Humanities and Politics this is not an accurate quote. Jim__ 2 hrs ago #30
That's the only strategy of the MAGA GOP: make the American people doubt the integrity and usefulness Martin68 2 hrs ago #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby 2 hrs ago #33
Corollary: The Republicans being lied to believe this quote describes Democrats. Beartracks 54 min ago #36
Indeed they do. MontanaMama 42 min ago #37

liberalla

(9,855 posts)
15. My immediate response also. WOW.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:20 AM
6 hrs ago

Succinct and accurate... and so easy to understand when distilled to this simple statement (quote).
Thank you.

wnylib

(24,017 posts)
19. It's the essence of gaslighting, a common tactic of narcissists.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:57 AM
5 hrs ago

The narcissist gains power by blurring fact and lie until reality itself is blurred.

DENVERPOPS

(9,810 posts)
25. Yes
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:25 PM
3 hrs ago

There are a lot of Psy-ops in Republican Politics........much more than the general population understands, or even recognizes....

soldierant

(7,744 posts)
34. War brings out the worst in many people,
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:55 PM
1 hr ago

maybe even most, but it also brings out the best in some. Consider the White Rose Society. And people like MSgt Rodney Edmonds, an American soldier who posthumously received the CMOH and the title of righteous among the nations. (Posthumously not becaise he was killed in the war, but because he never spoke about it to anyone. His son discovered the incident in his journals after he ded.)

jfz9580m

(14,897 posts)
10. Bought The Origins of Totalitarianism after Jan 6
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:00 AM
6 hrs ago

Still have only read about half of it. It was so creepy back then with all the stories in the news about militia networks etc.

NNadir

(34,380 posts)
11. An excellent point by the woman who famously described Eichmann as an expression of the "banality of evil."
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:01 AM
6 hrs ago

I recall having some problems with Arendt's writings when I was going through them years back, although I cannot specifically recall what they were, it having been so long ago.

This said, my problems, such as they were, did not detract from my admiration of her work.

This is an excellent quote and evocation for these times, and I thank you for pointing to it.

Farmer-Rick

(11,127 posts)
12. Besides Trump and the GOP
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:01 AM
6 hrs ago

Religion attempts to do the same thing. They feed people ridiculous fantasy filled stories.

A talking snake, a burning bush that doesn't burn, a curse on a tree, healing people by touching them, a virgin pregnancy and birth, demons in pigs, bringing people back from the dead, using a few fish and loaves to feed crowds, turning water into wine.....and on and on the lies an impossibilities pile up.

If you believe all that then you can very easily believe a Nazi, threatening people who disagree with him, will make a great democratic leader.

LisaM

(28,407 posts)
23. But those stories were born out of allegory.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:02 PM
4 hrs ago

People were not expected to believe them and many religious people don't believe them now. It's Creationists and Fundamentalists who do.

Farmer-Rick

(11,127 posts)
32. When I was a kid
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:33 PM
2 hrs ago

I wholeheartidly believed every word the nuns taught me in Catholic School.

Several times I thought I would die for accidentally touching the host. I had nightmares of Jesus bleeding, tortured, dying on the cross. It's a horrible story to tell children.

Anyway, I grew up, learned logic and what evidence was. If you don't believe all the mumbo-jumbo, are you really a believer?

soldierant

(7,744 posts)
35. Thank you.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:01 PM
1 hr ago

Some of the Bible is straight history, but it also contains high poetry, including love poetry, and a whole lot of allegory and parable. It also contains horrible examples, like the "cursing psalms." C. S, Lewis used to say "If you cannot understand a book which was written for adults..." I don;t remember exactly how he finished the sentence, but there are many ways to end it. My personal favorite is "maybe you shouldn't be talking about it."

Tetrachloride

(8,379 posts)
14. I recently found out of a currently existing earthquake in fundamental truth in my family.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:13 AM
6 hrs ago

really annoyed.

birdographer

(2,457 posts)
16. How true
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:27 AM
5 hrs ago

One of the key characteristics of the MAGA cult members is not that they are gullible, poorly educated, and incapable of critical thinking, it's that they very simply do not know the difference between right and wrong.

bucolic_frolic

(46,405 posts)
17. Hannah Arendt is a great read
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:55 AM
5 hrs ago

She wrote several books, I think I read "On Freedom". Her works are filled with great quotes. Off the top of my head -

"Bureaucracy is the form of government in which everybody is deprived of political freedom, of the power to act; for the rule by Nobody is not no-rule, and where all are equally powerless we have a tyranny without a tyrant.”

https://hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/bureaucracy-and-violence-2017-10-08

Hannah Arendt Center for Politics and Humanities at Bard College

jfz9580m

(14,897 posts)
27. Small Wonder?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:28 PM
3 hrs ago

You mean this Small Wonder?



Heh..I wonder if anyone other than me even remembers that show..

Ping Tung

(1,170 posts)
29. Hannah called it "the banality of evil".
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 12:41 PM
3 hrs ago
"The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil" - Hannah Arendt, the Life of the Mind

Jim__

(14,408 posts)
30. According to the Hannah Arendt Center for Humanities and Politics this is not an accurate quote.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:30 PM
2 hrs ago

From a post by Roger Berkowitz:

A quotation attributed to Hannah Arendt has been floating around various social media sites. The apparently altered quotation is:

"This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore. A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want." -Hannah Arendt

I’ve received numerous emails in the last month asking for the provenance of this quotation. At first, I looked, since to be honest, the spirit of the quote is very much in line with Arendt’s own thought. But as far as I can tell, Hannah Arendt never said this or wrote this. She did, however, say many similar things. Which begs the question: Why would someone create a fake quotation when so many real ones express a similar viewpoint? And, does such an altered quotation matter?

To answer this question, it is important to first look at the quotations that likely serve as the source for the fake aphorism.


I found this while trying to find the larger context for the quote. Some similar quotatations are given at the site.

Martin68

(24,379 posts)
31. That's the only strategy of the MAGA GOP: make the American people doubt the integrity and usefulness
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:31 PM
2 hrs ago

of eery single one of the country's institutions. They started by attacking the integrity of the election process, and then began spewing lies about every part of the local, state, and federal government when they did not perfectly align with MAGA goals.

Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

MontanaMama

(23,948 posts)
37. Indeed they do.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:38 PM
42 min ago

I was just on that foul Next Door app and the MAGAts are describing Dems as hateful, vengeance filled people. Boggles the mind.

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