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Funny how the undecideds say they still want to learn more about her. (Original Post) edhopper 3 hrs ago OP
Let me Google that for you Blue Owl 3 hrs ago #1
Bingo PhilosopherKing 3 hrs ago #2
Maybe it's because the media are 95% obsessing on the orange doofus' clown stunts? usonian 3 hrs ago #3
Code for She's a woman lame54 3 hrs ago #4
Bingo crosinski 3 hrs ago #5
And has a bit too much melanin. nt hvn_nbr_2 1 hr ago #24
It appears to me, they resent us for not wanting cachukis 3 hrs ago #6
They want to know more about her because they are searching for a justification to reject her unblock 3 hrs ago #7
How true. N/T Conjuay 3 hrs ago #10
Insightful comments Redleg 1 hr ago #17
Agreed, they have to work overtime to mentally deal with Donnie's many failings unblock 1 hr ago #26
Motivated reasoning in action Redleg 52 min ago #30
Haha, similarly we reject inconvenient facts that don't fit our worldview unblock 39 min ago #31
Kamala is the OPPOSITE of tRump! What else is there to know? ProudMNDemocrat 3 hrs ago #8
Imagine you're in a room and it's on fire. There's only one door. unblock 2 hrs ago #12
At this point it is willful ignorance IMO. The information is everywhere, including her website. Bev54 3 hrs ago #9
BECAUSE... Macrophylla 2 hrs ago #11
Against my better judgement I watched 6 of the so-called-undecided after the town hall. There was a retread 2 hrs ago #13
Did the panel moderator ask the panel what they thought about Trump skipping the event? Redleg 1 hr ago #20
Man, there comes a point with these types. miyazaki 2 hrs ago #14
One AA woman said XanaDUer2 2 hrs ago #15
The same people who regularly tout "I do my own research" Bristlecone 2 hrs ago #16
They say they are "undecided" because they are really wanting a Musk VP LiberalArkie 1 hr ago #18
how can they learn about her 4catsmom 1 hr ago #19
The people who continue to say they're "undecided" and want to know more about her are going to vote for Trump SouthernCal_Dem 1 hr ago #21
Seems to be mainly a thing with younger males DC77 1 hr ago #22
"You can have shit sandwich or chocolate icecream" ... "Um, does the icecream have ripples and choc chips?" Bernardo de La Paz 1 hr ago #23
To still be undecided at this point Americanme 1 hr ago #25
Undecided and independent Blue Full Moon 1 hr ago #27
They're racists and sexists desperate for an excuse.... Steven Maurer 1 hr ago #28
"Undecideds" are Trump supporters who NameAlreadyTaken 56 min ago #29
Another theory: they want to sound like they're putting a lot of thought into their vote. The truth is they have Martin68 35 min ago #34
It's just bullshit. They've already decided to vote for Trump. They're just trying to get attention. Martin68 37 min ago #32
No, it's not 'like they are full of shit'... OldBaldy1701E 36 min ago #33
"Who is she, again? None of us ever even heard of her til last week." struggle4progress 32 min ago #35
Pretty much Old Crank 28 min ago #36
They're not undecided - they are republicans TBF 25 min ago #37

usonian

(13,126 posts)
3. Maybe it's because the media are 95% obsessing on the orange doofus' clown stunts?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:08 PM
3 hrs ago

It's a clown show, right?
Golfers' dicks get lots of clicks.

NEXT STUNT

"Well, if Kamala can walk stairs in stilettos, so can I"


LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME

There's a ton of info HERE, including comparisons and neat photos.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219593621

cachukis

(2,481 posts)
6. It appears to me, they resent us for not wanting
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:13 PM
3 hrs ago

to be like them. They will castigate us for our empathy and relish our dismay at their support for the madness on display in their party.
My mother insisted on me and my sibs to get educated and raise the level of consciousness of my peer group. We were expected to seek out those who had high aspirations and learn how to do well.
It seems anathema to trumpers to acknowledge the good we work to employ. They want us to fail.
It is more than sad. It is a quagmire.

unblock

(54,039 posts)
7. They want to know more about her because they are searching for a justification to reject her
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:17 PM
3 hrs ago

that they can feel isn't sexist or racist.

Like how they rejected Hillary because "her emails". That wasn't sexist, they insist, it was just that her decision to use a private server meant to handle non-classified information meant that she can't be trusted with classified information because a handful of classified emails passed through that server. Better to entrust classified information to a man who secretly pays to preserve his image and desperately seeks approval from dictators and has numerous businesses that could profit from transactional disclosures of classified information.

This is why they want more details about Kamala. The search for a socially acceptable excuse to reject her.


Campaigns generally aren't about details anyway, they're about vision.

Redleg

(6,076 posts)
17. Insightful comments
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:30 PM
1 hr ago

I too have thought about it this way. I remember in 2016 I had a student who said she couldn't vote for Hillary Clinton because she couldn't stand the sound of Hillary's voice. Seemed like a lame thing upon which to base your decision.

I think it is a cognitive dissonance reduction strategy. For example, a person doesn't really like Trump all that much but still intends to vote for him. This should create some cognitive dissonance because their negative or ambivalent attitude towards Trump is inconsistent with their intention to vote for him. To reduce the dissonance they need to find some reason, however petty, to say that Harris is even worse. You hear this all the time from Republican officials who say they dislike a lot of the things Trump says but still support him over Harris because she is a Democrat, a socialist, etc.

The good news is, it sounds like a lot of these so-called undecideds are not very excited about voting for Trump, even though they might favor him over Harris. While they might have an intention to vote for Trump when asked about it, their lack of enthusiasm for Trump might lead them to just not vote at all.

unblock

(54,039 posts)
26. Agreed, they have to work overtime to mentally deal with Donnie's many failings
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:09 PM
1 hr ago

They desperately needed the whole hunter biden scandal because Donnie is overtly heavily into nepotism and corruption and the hunter scandal allowed them to figure "both sides do it" and resolve it even though the trump grift is massive and intentional and led by Donnie's himself while Joe had nothing to do with hunter's business.

I think that's why they're pretending Harris lied about working for McDonald's, as if that's such an implausible thing. Donnie is literally the most thoroughly documented liar in history. But that would allow them to say well they both lie....

Amazing what the brain may accept as reasonable if it justifies a prejudice....

Redleg

(6,076 posts)
30. Motivated reasoning in action
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:34 PM
52 min ago

Decision making defects are a fun topic to discuss in class. Of course most of the students don't realize or admit (at first) that they are prone to the same decisional problems as the rest of us mere mortals.

unblock

(54,039 posts)
31. Haha, similarly we reject inconvenient facts that don't fit our worldview
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:47 PM
39 min ago

Other people can be manipulated but not me!

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,778 posts)
8. Kamala is the OPPOSITE of tRump! What else is there to know?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:21 PM
3 hrs ago

Anyone who considers themselves "undecided" at this juncture in the campaign. according to my husband, are "fucking idiots"!

His words.

unblock

(54,039 posts)
12. Imagine you're in a room and it's on fire. There's only one door.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:28 PM
2 hrs ago

Sure the flames will engulf me if I stay, but I need to know if there's someone on the other side. I don't open the door for Jehovah's Witnesses.

I need more details first.

Bev54

(11,785 posts)
9. At this point it is willful ignorance IMO. The information is everywhere, including her website.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:21 PM
3 hrs ago

Most of her rallies are on youtube as are many articles.

Macrophylla

(47 posts)
11. BECAUSE...
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:27 PM
2 hrs ago

They don't want anyone to know that they are voting for trump. They desire all the fuckery of trump but don't want to make themselves look bad....and they KNOW it's a bad look.

retread

(3,815 posts)
13. Against my better judgement I watched 6 of the so-called-undecided after the town hall. There was a
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:34 PM
2 hrs ago

pudgy white man who said he was still undecided because he was "pro life".

I call bullshit.

Some of the panel groused about her calling Trump names.

I call bullshit.

The whole thing was a charade. She did exceptionally well.
With Fox you know ahead of time you are going to encounter unsubtle repug propaganda.
CNN pretends neutrality. For me, personally, what I saw last night on CNN was much worse than Fox.
I know I am being naive when I say they should be ashamed of themselves.

That was the first time in years I have watched anything on CNN. I don't need to stick my head in an overflowing toilet to know what it smells like. I'm done with those smug propagandists.

Redleg

(6,076 posts)
20. Did the panel moderator ask the panel what they thought about Trump skipping the event?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:36 PM
1 hr ago

Seems to be a reasonable question. I think these undecided folks are mostly just low-information people or disinformed and mis-informed people. They act like they are unbiased, rational decision makers just needing more information on Harris in order to render their completely objective decision about who they are going to vote for. This comes off as complete nonsense to me. Why do we cater to these fools? Why does the media give them outsized voice on the state of the race? Don't get me started on the Electoral College and the quadrennial race to appeal to voters in just a handful of states.

miyazaki

(2,363 posts)
14. Man, there comes a point with these types.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 01:37 PM
2 hrs ago

When trying to reach an understanding from their pov, i'm left thinking their choice is still no better than a coin toss, and that the analysis in these forums would be better directed by a psychologist, not a network reporter lol.

Bristlecone

(10,437 posts)
16. The same people who regularly tout "I do my own research"
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:10 PM
2 hrs ago

They are not looking for an excuse or reason to move away from TSF, but the exact oposite.

LiberalArkie

(16,220 posts)
18. They say they are "undecided" because they are really wanting a Musk VP
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:31 PM
1 hr ago

Of the about 5 people I know who say they are undecided. also speak glowing about Elon being so smart and intelligent.

4catsmom

(152 posts)
19. how can they learn about her
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:33 PM
1 hr ago

when every station and every YouTube video is all Trump all the time? TV and internet are covered with him. You might be forgiven for not even knowing who he's running against.
I don't know if the media love his antics or if it generates a lot of clicks for them or what. I'll be so glad when this election is over and hopefully he'll drift away or get his own daytime show on Fox where he can have a camera pointed at him every day which is what he loves.
I'm so thoroughly sick of hearing his name and seeing him in the news. He's the absolute worst example of an American.

SouthernCal_Dem

(898 posts)
21. The people who continue to say they're "undecided" and want to know more about her are going to vote for Trump
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:38 PM
1 hr ago

They should be ignored. They're not truly undecided. They're GOPers.

DC77

(132 posts)
22. Seems to be mainly a thing with younger males
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:45 PM
1 hr ago

Though I could be wrong. Something I think they say while interviewed to appear smart. Smart would be getting off your kiester and making a decision. “Sh!t or get off the pot.”

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,577 posts)
23. "You can have shit sandwich or chocolate icecream" ... "Um, does the icecream have ripples and choc chips?"
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:47 PM
1 hr ago

Americanme

(37 posts)
25. To still be undecided at this point
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 02:55 PM
1 hr ago

just seems like willful ignorance to me. Like they intentionally try to be uninformed, or they are not honest about being undecided.

Steven Maurer

(490 posts)
28. They're racists and sexists desperate for an excuse....
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:26 PM
1 hr ago

... to vote for Trump.

And they just haven't been given one. So they keep being "undecided".

Martin68

(24,379 posts)
34. Another theory: they want to sound like they're putting a lot of thought into their vote. The truth is they have
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:51 PM
35 min ago

already decided to vote for Trump. They didn't put any thought into it at all.

Martin68

(24,379 posts)
32. It's just bullshit. They've already decided to vote for Trump. They're just trying to get attention.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 03:49 PM
37 min ago

Nothing anyone says about Harris will make any difference.

TBF

(33,833 posts)
37. They're not undecided - they are republicans
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 04:01 PM
25 min ago

who are embarrassed. The ones who aren't even embarrassed are full blown MAGA.

You won't flip them. Better to find young folks and register them. They might at least give her a chance.

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