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Evolve Dammit

(19,216 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 05:15 PM Oct 26

So Dubya calling the Constitution a goddam piece

Of paper set the tone. GOP created the monsters we are now facing.
Historical perspective. One could assert that Reagan started the fire; ironic that the President of the Screen Workers Guild union would end up being anti union. Reagan, Add Limbaugh and Faux News and here we are. Pitiful.

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So Dubya calling the Constitution a goddam piece (Original Post) Evolve Dammit Oct 26 OP
Too bad George W. can't read that piece of paper verargert Oct 26 #1
Never had any interest. Partying and drug consumption was more important Evolve Dammit Oct 26 #7
Eight years we had idiot W for president Mysterian Oct 26 #16
With a big assist from the Swift Boat Traitors BOSSHOG Oct 26 #22
And we saw how much disgusting "patriotic" republicans respect wounded Silver Star awardees Mysterian Oct 27 #24
Pretty sure Blue Full Moon Oct 26 #2
SCOTUS determined 2000 election stopping a recount Evolve Dammit Oct 26 #6
Goldwater. orthoclad Oct 26 #3
He recanted years later, but yeah... Evolve Dammit Oct 26 #5
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" orthoclad Oct 26 #9
It goes deeper... All the way to the America first Nazi collaboration in WW2 JT45242 Oct 26 #4
Operation Paper Clip Blue Full Moon Oct 26 #8
The Soviet Union defeated Hitler. orthoclad Oct 26 #10
The US has a deep dark streak, going way back orthoclad Oct 26 #12
General Butler was also instrumental in stopping the "Business Plot" LastDemocratInSC Oct 26 #17
Yep. TWO Medals of Honor. orthoclad Oct 26 #20
General Smedley Butler ... Phormio Oct 26 #21
The wealthy have learned to plan and organize better since the failed FDR coup orthoclad Oct 27 #25
Way before W. TwilightZone Oct 26 #11
Shrub's AG, Alberto Gonzalez, no_hypocrisy Oct 26 #13
Yes he did Evolve Dammit Oct 27 #28
Oh it goes further than that! Crowman2009 Oct 26 #14
Lee Atwater struck the match. paleotn Oct 26 #15
Those facist bushes set the tone a very long time ago! FDR, JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden Clouds Passing Oct 26 #18
Reagan vs SAG catchnrelease Oct 26 #19
Thanks for that insight Evolve Dammit Oct 27 #29
Absolutely, GOP policies and strategy led us straight to where we are now. We knew all along it was wrong and Martin68 Oct 26 #23
Well said. Thanks Evolve Dammit Oct 27 #30
Murdoch was brought in to create Faux News for the GOP after Nixon's debacle. travelingthrulife Oct 27 #26
Reagan: Government is the problem, prioritized the wealthy, tripled the national debt BeyondGeography Oct 27 #27
Good point Evolve Dammit Oct 27 #31

Mysterian

(5,214 posts)
16. Eight years we had idiot W for president
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 07:04 PM
Oct 26

Asleep at the wheel failed to prevent 9-11 attack. Invaded Iraq for corporate profits. The people cheered.

Mysterian

(5,214 posts)
24. And we saw how much disgusting "patriotic" republicans respect wounded Silver Star awardees
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 07:35 AM
Oct 27

with their Purple Heart bandaids.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
9. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice"
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 06:01 PM
Oct 26

Goldwater gave respectability to the far right, and changed conservatism to right-wing radicalism. This, right after old "military-industrial complex" Eisenhower. There were liberal Republicans back then.

The speechwriter who penned that line became an anarchist, with permanent liens on income from the IRS. He bartered welded metal sculptures to pay his lawyers. I guess he'd be a sovereign citizen now.

JT45242

(3,005 posts)
4. It goes deeper... All the way to the America first Nazi collaboration in WW2
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 05:37 PM
Oct 26

After watching ultra, I feel confident that it goes back to this group not facing consequences because Truman was a spineless piece of crap who protected his congressional buddies.

Then the McCarthy republican traitors faced no consequences including Nixon who became ever bolder.

Nixon won the election in 1968 by committing treason to keep the north Vietnamese away from the peace conference. No consequences.

Listen to Bagman and you see the corruption in bush senior, and all the usual suspects protecting Agnew. They probably had their own republican form of kompromat on a lot of grifters in congress who were protecting him. No real consequences for Agnew or any of the real leaders of the crimes in Nixon's cabinet.

In fact. The republican dirtbag at DOJ who said to turn radio and TV was put on the supreme Court and killed the fairness doctrine. Great documentary on this part.


https://www.amazon.com/Brainwashing-My-Dad-Matthew-Modine/dp/B01C69O9ZE

Reagan and the hostages....I could go on.

But it runs way deeper than W.

Blue Full Moon

(1,358 posts)
8. Operation Paper Clip
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 05:55 PM
Oct 26

Warner von Braun was prison warden where they hung the 3 slowest workers every day. For some forsaken reason this country wanted to turn him into a hero. It used to be on the NASA website but they have recently scrubbed it.
Hate to say it but we should have done them like Russia did. They spread like the cockroaches they are.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
10. The Soviet Union defeated Hitler.
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 06:07 PM
Oct 26

90% of Nazi casualties were on the Eastern Front. The Soviets lost 20 million people. Hitler committed suicide rather than face the Red Army when they took Berlin. The brutality of the Nazi-Soviet confrontation is hard for us to conceive. Hitler's plan of genocide included the Slavs, who he called Untermenschen (subhuman). He tried to exterminate the Slavs to make Lebensraum for his "master race".

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
12. The US has a deep dark streak, going way back
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 06:17 PM
Oct 26

Slavery. Genocide. Imperialism.

In contrast, we also had abolitionists and people like General Smedley Butler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

Major-General Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940) was a United States Marine Corps officer and writer. During his 34-year military career, he fought in the Philippine–American War, the Boxer Rebellion, the Mexican Revolution, World War I, and the Banana Wars. At the time of his death, Butler was the most decorated Marine in U.S. military history.
...
After retiring from the Marine Corps, Butler became an outspoken critic of American foreign policy and military interventions, which he saw being driven primarily by U.S. business interests. In 1935, Butler wrote the book War Is a Racket, where he argued that imperialist motivations had been the cause behind several American interventions, many of which he personally participated in.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,875 posts)
17. General Butler was also instrumental in stopping the "Business Plot"
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 07:31 PM
Oct 26

against FDR in 1933.

He was quite a guy.

Phormio

(8 posts)
21. General Smedley Butler ...
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 08:10 PM
Oct 26

was an all- time American hero. A detailed summary of the plot to depose FDR in 1933 and how he thwarted it is here: https://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/02/27/95580/-The-Real-Plot-to-Overthrow-FDR-s-America?detail=email
Worth a read. Shows that wealthy fascist individuals and corporations have a long history of trying to overthrow our democracy.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
25. The wealthy have learned to plan and organize better since the failed FDR coup
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 09:06 AM
Oct 27

In 1971, the US Chamber of Commerce hired future Supreme Lewis Powell to write a long-term plan.
The "Powell Memo" spells out in detail much of our current headlines.
Their generational wealth gives them the luxury to hatch very long-term, decades-long, planning.

https://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/

https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/speeches/the-scheme-1-the-powell-memo/

Know the enemy.

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
11. Way before W.
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 06:12 PM
Oct 26

Reagan, Atwater, Gingrich, Rush, other right-wing talk radio. They're much more responsible for where we are than W. W looks positively quaint compared to the degenerates the right has now.

The seeds were planted by Reagan, who reinvigorated the liberal-as-insult strategy.

By the way, there's no evidence that Bush ever really said that. The sole source retracted the story, saying that their sources were unreliable. The myth persists, of course, and always will.

https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/

Crowman2009

(2,864 posts)
14. Oh it goes further than that!
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 06:55 PM
Oct 26

Last edited Sat Oct 26, 2024, 08:48 PM - Edit history (1)

The GOPers trying to appeal to the wacko for Waco crowd pretty much snowballed into the MAGA movement of today.

paleotn

(19,617 posts)
15. Lee Atwater struck the match.
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 07:02 PM
Oct 26

He's the primary author of the southern strategy. Reagan was just the paid spokesman.

Clouds Passing

(2,894 posts)
18. Those facist bushes set the tone a very long time ago! FDR, JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 07:34 PM
Oct 26

saved us from their facist agenda.Kamala will do the same!

catchnrelease

(2,018 posts)
19. Reagan vs SAG
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 07:51 PM
Oct 26

Way back in the early 80s the place I where worked often had volunteers/interns that trained with us. One I've always remembered. His father was a well known actor on a successful and long running tv series. Somehow in conversation R Reagan came up and the volunteer said 'Oh no, his name is not allowed to be spoken in our home!!'. It was because of the way RR had sold out the actors guild. Even tho' this guys father's show had run for years, he got no residuals from it due to the deal made with the studios. I always think of that when I hear about RR as the head of SAG. Willing to screw over his fellow actors for his own gain (he was not only an actor but also a producer).

I've since read that Reagan was a confidential informant for the FBI, according to classified documents, and as president of SAG he provided actors files to FBI agents.

What a stellar guy...

Martin68

(24,777 posts)
23. Absolutely, GOP policies and strategy led us straight to where we are now. We knew all along it was wrong and
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 08:17 PM
Oct 26

dangerous, but we couldn't anticipate how far they would end up pursuing absolute power no matter what the cost. They pulled out all stops to win no mater what, and bend the rules anyway they thought would get the result they wanted. I don't believe Dubya had the intelligence, education, or insight to see where it might end up, but all they needed was a useful psycho like Trump, and an unprincipled hack like McConnell to take it to the limit: pack the Supreme court with conservatives, weaponize the DOJ, use lies to get votes from the uneducated under-informed lower economic populations, and manipulate the electoral system. Dick Cheney showed them how to use the system to punish enemies. Camus explained why the ends never justify the means, and that they will always distort the actual result if the means are corrupt.

travelingthrulife

(1,016 posts)
26. Murdoch was brought in to create Faux News for the GOP after Nixon's debacle.
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 09:09 AM
Oct 27

This has been a long term plan.

BeyondGeography

(40,085 posts)
27. Reagan: Government is the problem, prioritized the wealthy, tripled the national debt
Sun Oct 27, 2024, 09:16 AM
Oct 27

Zero consequences for the latter. Won 49 states in his reelection campaign. Rode off into the sunset.

We’re still dealing with the damage.

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