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LuckyCharms

(19,861 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:28 AM Nov 2024

For those who think Trump's comments about Cheney were taken out of context...

Trump's "context" is part of the gaslighting. He talks in code, so he adds random "context" that gives him plausible deniability that he implied that Cheney should be in front of a firing squad.

His comment was planned.

1) He wants to say that Cheney should be in front of a firing squad.

2) He obviously can't say that directly.

3) He adds his "context" by starting off saying that she's a war monger.

4) He riffs on the war monger theme until he can let it flow into the firing squad theme.

5) He then denies that he implied that he suggested she should be placed in front of a firing squad, claiming that his comments were taken out of context, and that he was talking about her being a war monger.

Believing that anything Trump said in that exchange has anything at all to do with the context means that you have been gaslighted.

This has been Trump's MO forever. It's how he operates.

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For those who think Trump's comments about Cheney were taken out of context... (Original Post) LuckyCharms Nov 2024 OP
Question, is there usually 9 people in a firing squad? MacKasey Nov 2024 #1
At least 5 shooters are required, so 9 is very plausible and perhaps likely in some squads. LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #4
5-6 is de rigeur. WarGamer Nov 2024 #62
Six is traditional, but can be as many as 12, so this is NOT his "plausible deniabiity" because he said 9 hlthe2b Nov 2024 #15
Surely there's no one in this forum defending him on context. paleotn Nov 2024 #2
Yup, it's a bad mood to argue gas lighting. gab13by13 Nov 2024 #6
maher did that. mopinko Nov 2024 #11
Maher's a gaslighter too Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #21
he has his fans. mopinko Nov 2024 #27
I used to agree with many of Maher's markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #61
Not surprising. Maher has serious issues and needs good therapy. paleotn Nov 2024 #28
Count on Maher to pimp for trump. Paladin Nov 2024 #67
When someone is defending gaslighting gab13by13 Nov 2024 #3
It's not only the other side. n/t LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #5
I stand by my post #3. gab13by13 Nov 2024 #7
In addition, Dems are not the only people who read this forum. Not by a long shot. LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #8
Well said. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #31
When he talks about his beautiful white skin Emile Nov 2024 #9
Yes it is. He's actually saying that white skin is better than dark skin. LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #13
Certainly makes sense. "Parading" the implied positive contrast of his "skin tone" w "others". Ugh. electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #71
no, barbtries Nov 2024 #44
Hmmm, they (in their minds) don't care, or are proud of their racism etc electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #73
Too magas, racism is a positive and maybe even the password to get into their sick little gatherings. Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #74
well said and well argued, LuckyCharms fishwax Nov 2024 #10
"he speaks in code, like a mob boss. everyone around him knows what he means." michael cohen. mopinko Nov 2024 #12
⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Nov 2024 #34
He's just not mentally competent enough to pull that off. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #14
I disagree with your first sentence 100%. LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #17
In all of those, he's saying exactly what he wants to say, Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #25
I agree 100%! ShazzieB Nov 2024 #70
Yes, lack of impulse control is a result of his ongoing dementia... ananda Nov 2024 #24
I agree. CrispyQ Nov 2024 #32
Exactly, maybe about 6 months ago Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #33
It doesn't take mental competence... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #36
Lying doesn't take mental competence. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #55
As those of us with direct experience dealing with mental decline know... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #56
Before my spouse was diagnosed with cognitive impairment consistent with the early stages of Alzheimers Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #72
What I see happening with trump is simple "bullshitting". Think. Again. Nov 2024 #79
He simply doesn't have that cognitive ability and impulse control. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #80
After a lifetime of doing it, it's inherent and habitual to any of his conversations. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #81
Lying, yes. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #82
I disagree. edisdead Nov 2024 #60
He can barely read a teleprompter, let alone follow a message someone else crafted. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #69
How can a candidate for POTUS Grammy23 Nov 2024 #16
For a lot of the MAGA cult rank and file it's exactly what they like to hear. bluesbassman Nov 2024 #38
There is no excuse for Trump making a threat to Liz Cheney. gordianot Nov 2024 #18
Put opponents in their place. Kid Berwyn Nov 2024 #35
Too much credit Jughead Nov 2024 #19
It's not about intelligence. LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #20
There has to be a law passed by Congress and signed by President Harris... Justice matters. Nov 2024 #22
Dump was taught gaslighting, it is prime nature to him to gaslight others. That is the way he functions.. Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #23
+1. Exactly right. LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #26
it's true. barbtries Nov 2024 #30
It's not just any gas,either,it's methane. He's one of the world's major producers. BattleRow Nov 2024 #37
Hehe Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #40
TY BattleRow Nov 2024 #47
He was a con man before he became a fascist. Now he's both. Martin Eden Nov 2024 #41
I think it's both. He is appealing to the deranged, who think acting insane is cool, like Eloonatic. Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #43
The dementia is definitely showing in many ways, but wnylib Nov 2024 #52
But ... does any of that attract undecided voters at this point? Martin Eden Nov 2024 #57
I don't think that Trump cares about attracting undecided voters. wnylib Nov 2024 #68
He and his Rethug accomplices plan to steal the election. Martin Eden Nov 2024 #75
And it's a fight that we will win. wnylib Nov 2024 #76
i think the implication was clear. barbtries Nov 2024 #29
He could not find the word firing-squad Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #39
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2024 #50
You're exactly right ... Chump's got dog whistles ... the cult-MAGAs know them and they respond FakeNoose Nov 2024 #42
So Lindsay and all the others gqp ass kissers are okay with this? PortTack Nov 2024 #45
Michael Cohen said in 2019...before a Congressional committee ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2024 #46
Glenn K's take on this... RobertDevereaux Nov 2024 #48
He definitely threatened her MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2024 #49
"Nice firing squad you got here... ZZenith Nov 2024 #51
Kick dalton99a Nov 2024 #53
There is NO frigging 'context' to what Trump said/threatened peggysue2 Nov 2024 #54
May I share this on social media? edisdead Nov 2024 #58
Of course! LuckyCharms Nov 2024 #59
Take away everything Trump's supporters claim was a "joke" or "he didn't really mean," and there'd be nothing left. n/t Beartracks Nov 2024 #63
It's what Michael Cohen described as "code" 9 years ago. Nothing has changed. He learned it early. n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #64
It's clear that he wanted that ODDLY SPECIFIC/DETAILED imagery out there. Wingus Dingus Nov 2024 #65
Here's his full quote: intrepidity Nov 2024 #66
They mean it was taken out of the weave. Cartoonist Nov 2024 #77
I had a stupid question. Never mind. Linda ladeewolf Nov 2024 #78
Why doesn't he just fucking die already? Orrex Nov 2024 #83
Notice he has ZERO shade to throw at his military brass who condemned him? Montauk6 Nov 2024 #84
"the weave" rampartd Nov 2024 #85

MacKasey

(1,344 posts)
1. Question, is there usually 9 people in a firing squad?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:32 AM
Nov 2024

Because when I heard him say 9, I thought of the Supreme Court.

You are right everything is code.

LuckyCharms

(19,861 posts)
4. At least 5 shooters are required, so 9 is very plausible and perhaps likely in some squads.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:33 AM
Nov 2024

hlthe2b

(108,924 posts)
15. Six is traditional, but can be as many as 12, so this is NOT his "plausible deniabiity" because he said 9
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:58 AM
Nov 2024

paleotn

(20,199 posts)
2. Surely there's no one in this forum defending him on context.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:33 AM
Nov 2024

You're correct. It's a game he plays. He's been playing it all his life but anyone with a functioning brain knows exactly what he means.

markodochartaigh

(2,534 posts)
61. I used to agree with many of Maher's
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 02:30 PM
Nov 2024

contrarian takes and I found him often to be humorous. For the last few years I have heard him say things that I absolutely don't agree with. Now I wonder if he has just been saying contrarian things to get a rise out of people all along. Maybe those things that he said that I agreed with he didn't really believe.

Anyway I haven't had cable since AT&T kept double billing me in 2008, so I don't see him very often.

gab13by13

(27,397 posts)
3. When someone is defending gaslighting
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:33 AM
Nov 2024

he/she is losing the argument.

Only Magats believe that what TSF said was taken out of context.

LuckyCharms

(19,861 posts)
13. Yes it is. He's actually saying that white skin is better than dark skin.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:53 AM
Nov 2024

He can't say that directly, so he implies his meaning by talking about his "beautiful white skin" instead.

And that's the way it is with everything he "rambles".

He's actually not rambling at all. His words have purpose.

electric_blue68

(20,603 posts)
71. Certainly makes sense. "Parading" the implied positive contrast of his "skin tone" w "others". Ugh.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:23 PM
Nov 2024

electric_blue68

(20,603 posts)
73. Hmmm, they (in their minds) don't care, or are proud of their racism etc
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:26 PM
Nov 2024

They don't perceive it as racism - since they think they are correct.

Attilatheblond

(5,563 posts)
74. Too magas, racism is a positive and maybe even the password to get into their sick little gatherings.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:29 PM
Nov 2024

mopinko

(72,192 posts)
12. "he speaks in code, like a mob boss. everyone around him knows what he means." michael cohen.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:49 AM
Nov 2024

from his congressional testimony, under oath.

u r exactly correct. the man’s only skill is deceiving.

eta- when dementia closes is, u r reduced to your core. this is his core. lies and bullying.

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
34. ⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:55 AM
Nov 2024

It's well known he has a fetish for 1970-80's NY crime bosses (real or fictional) and he emulates them in his vaguely "coded" speech and dogwhistling.

Ms. Toad

(36,464 posts)
14. He's just not mentally competent enough to pull that off.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:56 AM
Nov 2024

He was riffing about her being a war monger, a firing squad popped into his mind, and he blurred it out.

He has no filter and no impulse control.

Any media/Republican attempt to defend what he said after the fact is sane-washing, not evidence that he had some grand scheme to weave a firing squad int an otherwise only offensive rif about her being a coward so he could say what he wanted to say in order to have a ready defense.

LuckyCharms

(19,861 posts)
17. I disagree with your first sentence 100%.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:00 AM
Nov 2024

It's the same way with the snake story.

And the great Alphonse Capone comments.

And the Hannibal Lector comments.

And his "beautiful white skin" comments.

Ms. Toad

(36,464 posts)
25. In all of those, he's saying exactly what he wants to say,
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:36 AM
Nov 2024

When it pops into his mind, usually as a result of some adjacent thought (in this instance war hawk Cheney). His lack of filter prevents him from saying it, or disguising it. His handlers, after the fact, try to explain it away using the context that triggered the thought.

He simply doesn't have the executive functioning necessary to pull together the sophisticated Let-me-figure-out-how-to-say-it-so-I-have-built-in-deniability. I have significant experience with people with loss of executive function. His "weaves" using a combination of repeated fixed (false) elements and stream of consciousness triggers is exactly what it looks like.

He is saying exactly what he means - he just isn't capable of creating any sort of clever disguise to give it deniability. That deniability is hastily crafted, after the fact, by people trying to salvage his campaign.

ShazzieB

(20,045 posts)
70. I agree 100%!
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:16 PM
Nov 2024

He doesn't have the executive functioning OR the self control to carefully plan out what he's going to say and then say it. The idea of him being capable of that is laughable, imo.

I've heard the rationale that he was talking about sending "war hawk" Liz into battle to see how she likes facing armed combatants, and I'm not buying it. I could believe that was one of the things he had in mind when he started talking, but I think that train of thought got derailed by his deeply felt desire to execute her and what he ended up saying was a mashup of those two things. When he said the last part, about rifles being pointed at her, I believe that he was definitely imagining her facing a firing squad (and enjoying it way too much).

The whole thing was a deeply disturbing peek at the dark fantasies he used to be able to keep hidden but now can't always control. It's like he's full of evil gremlins that are showing their ugly faces more and more often as his dementia weakens his ability to keep them in check. Pretty soon the gremlins are going to be completely in charge, and he had damned well better NOT be anywhere near the oval office when that happens.

ananda

(31,431 posts)
24. Yes, lack of impulse control is a result of his ongoing dementia...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:33 AM
Nov 2024

also shown when he fellated the mike yesterday.

CrispyQ

(39,367 posts)
32. I agree.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:55 AM
Nov 2024

Any code he used to use that Michael Cohen mentioned is beyond his mental capabilities now.

Farmer-Rick

(11,708 posts)
33. Exactly, maybe about 6 months ago
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:55 AM
Nov 2024

He was talking in code. And perhaps he retains the instinct and reflex for it, because even if he's got dementia he's still a malignant narcissist. But the guy is out of his mind and doesn't know what he's saying. He's gone over to dementia world and he ain't coming back.

The reason he said rifles lined up and shooting at Cheney is because he couldn't find the word "firing-squad". He would have said it but he's too far gone to use common compound words.

His language ability is deteriorated to the point that just about every sentence he says, he struggles with. His language is so disinhibited that he'll say anything that pops into his malignant mind. But most of the time he can't find the words for it.

And the idiot GOP still want this adled fool to be president, errr...king, of the United States. The guy should be in the mental care unit of an old folk's home.

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
36. It doesn't take mental competence...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:58 AM
Nov 2024

...he's been lying and pathetically coding his speech his whole life since he first saw whatever NY mobster film he saw first.

He thinks it makes him clever.

Ms. Toad

(36,464 posts)
55. Lying doesn't take mental competence.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 11:48 AM
Nov 2024

In fact, his repetitive telling of take tales is part and parcel of his mental decline. It is a self-soothing reassurance to him that his memory isn't going, even though what he remembers is false. This is exactly what my spouse does - in other words, I'm speaking from years is personal experience with at least two of the characteristics Trump is displaying.

But scheming to hide the lying by adding context to allow you to pretend that what you said was being taken out of context is far beyond what little executive function he still has. Again. I'm speaking from personal experience of several years dealing with a spouse with this deficit.

And the things being discussed in this thread aren't lies. The one that started the thread is a threat/cash to execute Cheney.

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
56. As those of us with direct experience dealing with mental decline know...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 01:03 PM
Nov 2024

...the decline of cognitive habits present differently with each person and have no set or predictable pattern to the various facilities that are affected or when they are affected.

trump has used that particular form of verbal deceit his entire adult life, and he has not stopped yet.

Ms. Toad

(36,464 posts)
72. Before my spouse was diagnosed with cognitive impairment consistent with the early stages of Alzheimers
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:23 PM
Nov 2024

She had already begun to do the same kind of gap filling/"memory" creation Trump does all the time. The event is recognizable - but many of the details were added in the early remembering to fill in gaps - or create a more entertaining story. She will tell stories of things that happened to me in the first person - and truly "remembers" them happening to her. She remembers fantastic events that justify a particular outcome (her grandmother was in a coma for years, so they let her die when she has a UTI - when, in reality, her grandmother was responsive but incoherent until the day she died). This is exactly the same kind of early gap filling, which then persists over time that I see with Trump.

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
79. What I see happening with trump is simple "bullshitting".
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:33 PM
Nov 2024

As a compulsive liar, he has learned that he must always leave himself an escape.

He just says everything and anything in such a way that he can backtrack on it without sounding like he's backtracking on it.

Ms. Toad

(36,464 posts)
80. He simply doesn't have that cognitive ability and impulse control.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:12 PM
Nov 2024

Creating an ability to backtrack requires a level of executive functioning that he no longer has (if he ever did).

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
81. After a lifetime of doing it, it's inherent and habitual to any of his conversations.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:24 PM
Nov 2024

...no executive functioning needed.

Ms. Toad

(36,464 posts)
82. Lying, yes.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:30 PM
Nov 2024

Lying plus creating cover to make it easy to claim he didn't say what he did - no. There is a difference between lying (no executive functioning reqiured) and deliberately creating plausible deniability. The latter requires the ability to think two or three steps ahead. I have seen zero evidence he has that ability. All of the backtracking I've seen comes from others picking apart what he said, in his stream of consciousness rants, to sanewash it.

edisdead

(3,359 posts)
60. I disagree.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 02:21 PM
Nov 2024

Additionally it isn’t just him crafting these mesages. He has the likes of Stephen Miller helping to craft hos messages. Trump loves himself some Hitler text and I think he and his people are using the same messaging style Gitler did to turn people against the other.

This was no simple off the cuff remark. He may wander and wade here and there but the overall message is scripted.

Ms. Toad

(36,464 posts)
69. He can barely read a teleprompter, let alone follow a message someone else crafted.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:15 PM
Nov 2024

And I'm not saying he doesn't mean exactly what he says. I'm saying his cognitive functions aren't high enough to build enough context around them to give his handlers cover.

Individual bits are like comfortable old friends to him - the ones he repeats verbatim, over and over. But he weaves in those bits of comfort food whenever his stream of consciousness flights of fancy take him near close enough that there is some tangential connection. How they are woven in is not scripted.

I have way too much personal experience with this kind of mental decline. By now he's farther along than my spouse - but the three deficiencies are virtually identical: remembered/packaged stories that get repeated ad nauseum (either completely false, or significantly altered from reality by gap-filling which becomes real memory in the mind of the teller); significant ability to add fluff and move seamlessly from stream of consciousness into these stories - but a complete inability to think logically, and (increasingly for both) bursts of anger.

Grammy23

(5,967 posts)
16. How can a candidate for POTUS
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:59 AM
Nov 2024

Include references to a firing squad (or anything to do with guns trained on another person) ….how can he think that is a good idea to include in a speech, a tweet or any public statement? More likely, it is a sign that his ability to pick his topics and phrases carefully is rapidly diminishing. In plain language, his filters are slipping, revealing a really sick, demented mind underneath.

Anyone who has heard his comments about Liz Cheney and still thinks he is their guy, their representative in the White House, is as sick and f’d up as he is.

bluesbassman

(20,232 posts)
38. For a lot of the MAGA cult rank and file it's exactly what they like to hear.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:01 AM
Nov 2024

We on Earth One are shocked and recoiled by the thought of mass deportations, internment camps, machine gun nests on the banks of the Rio Grande, but things like that, and firing squads for the “traitors” to the MAGA cause? They eat that stuff up.

gordianot

(15,562 posts)
18. There is no excuse for Trump making a threat to Liz Cheney.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:11 AM
Nov 2024

This is not dementia, misspeaking, or hyperbole. Trump made this statement with no excuse he is sane. Believe people when they tell you who they are.

Kid Berwyn

(19,730 posts)
35. Put opponents in their place.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:57 AM
Nov 2024

…Like Stalin. Like Hitler. Like Mao. Like Kim. Like Castro. Like Pinochet…in front of the wall.

LuckyCharms

(19,861 posts)
20. It's not about intelligence.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:18 AM
Nov 2024

It's about his method of communicating his entire life.

It's how he speaks in order to send a message, or to intimidate.

It's innate with him.

He doesn't know any other way.

Justice matters.

(8,229 posts)
22. There has to be a law passed by Congress and signed by President Harris...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:29 AM
Nov 2024

that will criminalize stochastic terrorism with sentences up to 20 years in prison.

Clouds Passing

(4,239 posts)
23. Dump was taught gaslighting, it is prime nature to him to gaslight others. That is the way he functions..
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:30 AM
Nov 2024

barbtries

(30,281 posts)
30. it's true.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:52 AM
Nov 2024

it comes automatically to him. For instance, when he wouldn't admit that people in Springfield were not eating pets and the interviewer said the mayor or another government official had stated that it was not happening, he instantly says, "Maybe he thought he should say that," or words to that effect. It was spontaneous.

Extremely ugly and hateful freak.

Martin Eden

(14,066 posts)
41. He was a con man before he became a fascist. Now he's both.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:09 AM
Nov 2024

Is his vile rhetoric calculated, pathological, or both?

Breaking all bounds and norms of civil discourse with streams of bald-faced lies and vulgar insults was a big part in gaining a huge cult of devoted followers who propelled him to the White House.

In the closing weeks of this campaign his rhetoric has grown even more vile, insulting a wider swath of the electorate.

Is that calculated to gain more support from undecided voters, or is it a manifestation of mental pathologies in the declining brain of a malignant narcissist sensing his impending defeat?

I think the latter is more likely.

Clouds Passing

(4,239 posts)
43. I think it's both. He is appealing to the deranged, who think acting insane is cool, like Eloonatic.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:13 AM
Nov 2024

And his mind is going, so that brings out his most basic ways of being.

wnylib

(25,211 posts)
52. The dementia is definitely showing in many ways, but
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 11:11 AM
Nov 2024

J6 is proof of his willingness to use violence to hold power. He has also always been a gaslighter and a "code speaker." I am not sure whether his remarks about Cheney were part of his code speak or evidence of dementia rambling. But they were definitely an expression of a wish for Cheney to face violence. Violence is as natural to Trump as gaslighting and code speak.

A deliberate, calculated intent behind the mention of violence against Cheney would be a code call for someone to take shots at her.

The significant part of his remarks, IMO, is the specific mention of 9 shots. If he was only speaking of putting her in the front lines of a war, there would be no need for or point to mentioning 9 shots.

9 shots could mean a firing squad. The number 9 could be a SC referencce.

Whatever the case, he was depicting Cheney as facing violence against her as a consequence of having voted in favor of war. That much is indisputable fact.



Martin Eden

(14,066 posts)
57. But ... does any of that attract undecided voters at this point?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 02:06 PM
Nov 2024

I highly doubt that.

Maybe the worsening rhetoric will spur MAGA to GOTV.

wnylib

(25,211 posts)
68. I don't think that Trump cares about attracting undecided voters.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:10 PM
Nov 2024

I don't think that he cares about the number of votes that he gets. Relying on persuasion and vote numbers is too uncertain for Trump.

Instead, his focus is on controlling the process through manipulations of the election system, gaslighting to claim a win, and physical force as backup to obtain and hold power and control.

In Trump's mind, attracting new voters is for losers and suckers.

Martin Eden

(14,066 posts)
75. He and his Rethug accomplices plan to steal the election.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 04:34 PM
Nov 2024

Both sides are gearing up for that fight.

barbtries

(30,281 posts)
29. i think the implication was clear.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:49 AM
Nov 2024
?si=tiI1h_PBG_AvZmh8

"9 barrels trained at her face"

that's the quote.

Farmer-Rick

(11,708 posts)
39. He could not find the word firing-squad
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:06 AM
Nov 2024

He would have said it but he struggles with every sentence he speaks.

He is disinhibited in his language. It's so common with dementia patients. So, if it pops into his head, he says it. And his mind is very malignant.

But frequently he can't find the words to express his hate. So, instead he describes the word he's looking for. Hence the nine rifles lined up.

The man is crazy. He's in dementia world and he's not coming back.

FakeNoose

(37,058 posts)
42. You're exactly right ... Chump's got dog whistles ... the cult-MAGAs know them and they respond
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:10 AM
Nov 2024

That's why I said the other day, "Some idiot in Montana is already cleaning his high-powered rifle."

ProudMNDemocrat

(19,555 posts)
46. Michael Cohen said in 2019...before a Congressional committee
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:16 AM
Nov 2024

"Donald Trump speaks in CODES!"

DonOLD tRump speaks in CODES!

MorbidButterflyTat

(2,754 posts)
49. He definitely threatened her
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:41 AM
Nov 2024

But I think you're giving his shriveled, dried up brain cells waaaay too much credit.

ZZenith

(4,355 posts)
51. "Nice firing squad you got here...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:54 AM
Nov 2024

be a shame if something were to happen to it.”

You’re spot on, Lucky Charms. Is he slipping into dementia? Absolutely.

Does he speak in Mob-ese? Absolutely.

“Who will rid me of this meddlesome former congresswoman from Wyoming?”

peggysue2

(11,728 posts)
54. There is NO frigging 'context' to what Trump said/threatened
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 11:38 AM
Nov 2024

He said it, period. His claim of Cheney being a war monger is merely an excuse. You want context think of the J6 Committee or all Cheney's public statements about who and what Trump is or most recently (and perhaps more to the point) Cheney actively campaigning for Kamala Harris.

The context is Trump's lack of impulse control, the fact he is a small, vindictive, hateful individual who fantasizes about perpetrating violence on his perceived enemies, women in particular.

Time to rid ourselves of this maniac!

Beartracks

(13,835 posts)
63. Take away everything Trump's supporters claim was a "joke" or "he didn't really mean," and there'd be nothing left. n/t
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 03:38 PM
Nov 2024

Evolve Dammit

(20,429 posts)
64. It's what Michael Cohen described as "code" 9 years ago. Nothing has changed. He learned it early. n/t
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 03:44 PM
Nov 2024

intrepidity

(8,219 posts)
66. Here's his full quote:
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 03:47 PM
Nov 2024

"She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her there with a rifle, standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, ok? Let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face."

Weirdly, when I first heard this comment, I thought he was calling back to when he was shot at, perhaps alluding to feelings he had later, knowing that when he was shot, his SS snipers were likely viewing his face through their scopes, trying to locate the shooter? And perhaps he knew that there were nine such of his protective detail? It was the emotion in his voice at just that moment that sounded like it was a personal memory. He seems convinced (or wants to convince others) that Dems were somehow responsible for that attempt on his ear. That's what I thought he was talking about when I heard that comment; I did not immediately think of "firing squad" until I saw others' comments.

But now I think it was his classic stochastic-terror dog-whistle to put that image into his rabid, violent cult's mind.

Gah, I can't wait til we can stop thinking and talking about that creature.

Orrex

(64,941 posts)
83. Why doesn't he just fucking die already?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:32 PM
Nov 2024

If there were any karma in the universe, he'd have been born in agony and suffered horrifying pain every second of his decades-overlong life. Or at least drown in a vat of hot liquid pig shit.

But here we are.

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