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onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 05:58 PM Nov 2024

The reason George W. Bush won't endorse Kamala.

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George W. Bush won't endorse Harris.
 Here's why: Harlan Crow sits on the board of the George W. Bush Library in #TX 
Harlan Crow has controlled Clarence Thomas for decades.
The corruption is very clear.
 #SCOTUS #Corruption
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The reason George W. Bush won't endorse Kamala. (Original Post) onecaliberal Nov 2024 OP
Actually THIS is the bullshit i worry about. bluestarone Nov 2024 #1
He could go first. milestogo Nov 2024 #2
Bush the Smarter I think might The Unmitigated Gall Nov 2024 #3
Who is Bush the Smarter? Jeb? milestogo Nov 2024 #5
I know, right? Didn't Jeb prove that there's no such thing as "the smart Bush"? JHB Nov 2024 #11
Could be Laura, then. milestogo Nov 2024 #13
Please clap for this. ZonkerHarris Nov 2024 #21
yep FoxNewsSucks Nov 2024 #36
HW was the greater evil, no doubt. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2024 #37
"You forgot Poland ......." H2O Man Nov 2024 #43
Smart doesnt mean principled MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #53
You're likely right. The Unmitigated Gall Nov 2024 #57
When the repugs came in took over my state, all honor flew out the window. efhmc Nov 2024 #4
bush is Controlled.. not a free man. Cha Nov 2024 #6
And he's too feeble-minded to even want his own independence Blue Owl Nov 2024 #8
He Just Wants to Clear Scrub NonPC Nov 2024 #12
Did you ever see Will Farrel's Jakes Progress Nov 2024 #16
Yeah, in the meantime he's Cha Nov 2024 #14
Shrub's current "masters" are the ones feeding him and changing his diapers. madinmaryland Nov 2024 #30
I'm thinking you're on to something here... slightlv Nov 2024 #17
I assumed it was because he left office with a 24% approval rating and he didn't want to sabotage her. D23MIURG23 Nov 2024 #7
Aka he's is a coward like always. nt Javaman Nov 2024 #9
Bush owes the democrats after he lied us into war. Butterflylady Nov 2024 #10
Coward indeed. TNNurse Nov 2024 #18
It's funnynow looking back ... Dick Cheney is the one with principles FakeNoose Nov 2024 #24
Nah, I think Dick is just trying to save the Republican brand he helped build. progressoid Nov 2024 #42
Dick Cheney, The Hunts, The Perots, Laura Bush Have All Served on the SMU Board--SMU Does Not Lack for Billionaires Stallion Nov 2024 #47
I think Cheney loves his daughter and that's the only reason why duhneece Nov 2024 #69
onecaliberal........... Upthevibe Nov 2024 #15
Does Trump ever mention any Bush? SomedayKindaLove Nov 2024 #19
Never. Daddy war bucks won't have it. Dump understands money. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #20
Maybe he doesn't endorse because he knows his endorsement might actually hurt Harris. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #22
Sure, Jan. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #23
Bush knows he's not popular. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #25
Didn't stop Cheney or any of the other republicans. It's funny that ppl give a war criminal the benefit of the doubt. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #26
I wasn't a fan of Cheney's endorsement, either. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #27
I think Dick Cheney's endorsement helped put some anti-trump republicans over the line for Harris. BComplex Nov 2024 #68
I think of Dick's endorsement H2O Man Nov 2024 #44
I think of having their votes as holding to democracy. If they vote for her, they're not voting for him onecaliberal Nov 2024 #45
Well, H2O Man Nov 2024 #48
Based on the early vote. Indies are breaking for the Vice President. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #50
Right! H2O Man Nov 2024 #59
We need all hands on deck. Which was the original point of urging W to endorse. /nt onecaliberal Nov 2024 #62
I'm not sure H2O Man Nov 2024 #63
In normal times I'd not want a single con to help. But in times women are dying right now from extremists republican onecaliberal Nov 2024 #64
Unless their name really is Jan Lunabell Nov 2024 #33
Harlan Crow may be the puppetmaster, but Dubya is nothing but a stupid asshole FakeNoose Nov 2024 #28
He's a white dude from TX AKwannabe Nov 2024 #29
There's plenty of good white dudes from Texas.. whathehell Nov 2024 #41
Rather you didn't tell me what to do AKwannabe Nov 2024 #46
The cabal of ultralite001 Nov 2024 #31
You might be right, but Crow endorsed Haley. He might be on trump's hit list. Silent Type Nov 2024 #32
Some people have the balls to do the RIGHT thing, and B.See Nov 2024 #34
Sighhhhhh. I long for the day when a slang for male genitalia is not used niyad Nov 2024 #54
The chickenshitedness ... Xoan Nov 2024 #35
Dubya can't be hurting for money. He and syblings inherited... brush Nov 2024 #38
That pore dude shrunked his brane years ago by drinkin too mush struggle4progress Nov 2024 #39
I just think that he wants nothing to do with politics Polybius Nov 2024 #40
I Agree pretty much all he does now is Paint and Attend SMU Football and Basketball Games Stallion Nov 2024 #49
Corruption runs deep in the bush family, all the way to Agnew days and before JT45242 Nov 2024 #51
Every time I've seen W in public in the last decade Metaphorical Nov 2024 #52
Very astute perception. TSExile Nov 2024 #56
I agree up until H2O Man Nov 2024 #60
I honestly think Oldvet Nov 2024 #55
Because he's a coward. bif Nov 2024 #58
I don't think it would really help. And Dick Cheney's JI7 Nov 2024 #61
GWB descends from a line of pro-fascists... AntiFascist Nov 2024 #65
"I'm a member of a Secret Society, a society so secret, I can't even talk about it." czarjak Nov 2024 #66
Everybody hates him anyway, so I'm not sure that an endorsement would mean much. Crunchy Frog Nov 2024 #67

bluestarone

(19,377 posts)
1. Actually THIS is the bullshit i worry about.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:01 PM
Nov 2024

I do NOT fear losing this election because of votes. I fear losing this election because of THIS Supreme court. I really hope i'm wrong.

milestogo

(20,142 posts)
2. He could go first.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:01 PM
Nov 2024

He's the ex-President. It shouldn't matter who controls dumbass Thomas. Bush could choose to do one right thing and be a good example. Follow your daughter, Dubya.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
3. Bush the Smarter I think might
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:06 PM
Nov 2024

Have been capable of taking a principled stand and letting the chips fall where they may. Not holding my breath for the shrub. Pampered child of privilege always posed as a rough-tough bootstrapper.

milestogo

(20,142 posts)
5. Who is Bush the Smarter? Jeb?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:34 PM
Nov 2024

I didn't know there was a "Bush the Smarter".

I always think of them as "Bush the Greater Evil" - George H.W. Bush and "Bush the Lesser Evil" - George W. Bush

FoxNewsSucks

(11,052 posts)
37. HW was the greater evil, no doubt.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:52 PM
Nov 2024

but compared to his spawn he was indeed "The Smarter".

Unfortunately for us.

H2O Man

(76,503 posts)
43. "You forgot Poland ......."
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 01:04 AM
Nov 2024

I agree with the two names you listed. But I think out of respect, we should recognize "Jeb the Refrigerator-Head." Just my opinion.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
57. You're likely right.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:30 AM
Nov 2024

But if ANY of the three might have been capable of making a stand I’d guess it’d be poppy. I’ve always felt shrub and jeb were utter spoiled-ass cowards. He got called “Smarter” because he could actually string sentences together, when he wasn’t throwing up in Japanese Prime minister’s laps.

Blue Owl

(55,799 posts)
8. And he's too feeble-minded to even want his own independence
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:16 PM
Nov 2024

He probably feels ‘safe’ with these men controlling his life, and receiving their approval…

NonPC

(405 posts)
12. He Just Wants to Clear Scrub
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:38 PM
Nov 2024

That's all he's done since leaving office. Nothing more cerebral than that. What's for dinner, honey?

Jakes Progress

(11,209 posts)
16. Did you ever see Will Farrel's
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:01 PM
Nov 2024

satire of shrub on his “ranch”.

The only thing shrub knows about scrub is that that’s what his daddy did with his service records.

Cha

(309,318 posts)
14. Yeah, in the meantime he's
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:56 PM
Nov 2024

Showing himself to be a coward to the World.

Dick GD Cheney Endorsed Kamala! Little bush doesn't want to make any waves with his current masters. Even though TSF threatened to Kill Dick' s daughter, Liz.

🕯️🕊️💙🌊🇺🇸🌈

madinmaryland

(65,345 posts)
30. Shrub's current "masters" are the ones feeding him and changing his diapers.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:32 PM
Nov 2024

I don’t believe shrub is capable of thinking for himself and may well have fell off the wagon or is suffering from dementia after years of being an alcoholic.

His family is probably protecting him from embarrassing himself which is why he is rarely seen in public. They wouldn’t want to be accused of elder abuse. Remember, shrub is the same age as rump.

slightlv

(5,254 posts)
17. I'm thinking you're on to something here...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:03 PM
Nov 2024

I think painting is about the last thing he can actually do... he's old enough for dementia to have taken hold, too. And they're sure keeping him away from microphones. Even when he shows up for state funerals they keep him away from reporters.

D23MIURG23

(3,125 posts)
7. I assumed it was because he left office with a 24% approval rating and he didn't want to sabotage her.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 06:46 PM
Nov 2024

AFAIK he hasn't endorsed anyone since leaving office.

I don't think I want his endorsement tbh.

Stallion

(6,631 posts)
47. Dick Cheney, The Hunts, The Perots, Laura Bush Have All Served on the SMU Board--SMU Does Not Lack for Billionaires
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 02:32 AM
Nov 2024

Laura is an SMU alumnus and at least was a Democrat before meeting her husband

Harlan Crow is more tied into the University of Texas although certain Crow family member have SMU ties including the Library

duhneece

(4,342 posts)
69. I think Cheney loves his daughter and that's the only reason why
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 05:28 PM
Nov 2024

…he vocally opposed Trump.
The look on his face (I forget the occasion) watching Liz with such pride and love blew me away

SomedayKindaLove

(1,108 posts)
19. Does Trump ever mention any Bush?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:06 PM
Nov 2024

I mean Jed Bush in the 2016 primary, sure.

Maybe they both have a hands off agreement?

Self Esteem

(2,028 posts)
25. Bush knows he's not popular.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:14 PM
Nov 2024

Bush knows he's not even popular among his own party anymore.

His endorsement brings nothing of value to the table. He's a failed president who left office with a 25% approval rating. Harris doesn't need that.

Now Laura? That would be a good one. I'd take Laura's endorsement over Bush's.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
26. Didn't stop Cheney or any of the other republicans. It's funny that ppl give a war criminal the benefit of the doubt.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:16 PM
Nov 2024

Self Esteem

(2,028 posts)
27. I wasn't a fan of Cheney's endorsement, either.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:17 PM
Nov 2024

I don't think it helped much.

I think Liz Cheney's endorsement has been far better for Harris than anyone related to the Bush administration.

BComplex

(9,351 posts)
68. I think Dick Cheney's endorsement helped put some anti-trump republicans over the line for Harris.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 03:49 PM
Nov 2024

Trump had already made the republican party trash Liz, but Dick Cheney has the force of being a white male patriarch, which republicans worship.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
45. I think of having their votes as holding to democracy. If they vote for her, they're not voting for him
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 01:16 AM
Nov 2024

H2O Man

(76,503 posts)
48. Well,
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 02:34 AM
Nov 2024

Idi is dead, and couldn't vote in the US. So Cheney holds those advantages, too. The problem is that some -- I'm not saying all -- independents find having Dick on stage is extremely offensive, to the extent it is a factor in how they will vote. I'd much rather that Harris-Walz had their votes.

H2O Man

(76,503 posts)
63. I'm not sure
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 01:37 PM
Nov 2024

that having bloody hands on deck helps. But I will say I'd have loved to see W debate the felon, rather than his brother, Jeb.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
64. In normal times I'd not want a single con to help. But in times women are dying right now from extremists republican
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 02:07 PM
Nov 2024

Policies. I will take anyone willing to stop that.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
33. Unless their name really is Jan
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:37 PM
Nov 2024

that's rude and demeaning. Also against tos. You should take it down.

FakeNoose

(37,077 posts)
28. Harlan Crow may be the puppetmaster, but Dubya is nothing but a stupid asshole
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:18 PM
Nov 2024

I know Dubya is going to vote for Kamala, because the entire Bush family detests Chump.
But he's too much of a chickenshit to publicly support Kamala.

Oh well, we're done with all of them.

whathehell

(30,117 posts)
41. There's plenty of good white dudes from Texas..
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:38 PM
Nov 2024

I've never been there but can think of at least three off the top of my head, so lets dispense with the broad brush, okay?

B.See

(5,039 posts)
34. Some people have the balls to do the RIGHT thing, and
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:39 PM
Nov 2024

some people are like DUBYA. History will remember.

niyad

(123,072 posts)
54. Sighhhhhh. I long for the day when a slang for male genitalia is not used
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 07:02 AM
Nov 2024

as a synonym for courage.

brush

(59,431 posts)
38. Dubya can't be hurting for money. He and syblings inherited...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:04 PM
Nov 2024

the family fortune going all the way back to Pescott Bush and the Walker side of the family, so he has no discernible reason to not follow the Cheney's lead.

Especially if he wants to play a role in rebuilding the rethug party once trump loses and is jailed.

He's old and makes no public appearances. Maybe his mental acuity is going too.

struggle4progress

(122,427 posts)
39. That pore dude shrunked his brane years ago by drinkin too mush
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:17 PM
Nov 2024

and then filt the empty spaces by snuffin up coke

Polybius

(19,631 posts)
40. I just think that he wants nothing to do with politics
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:21 PM
Nov 2024

After how he destroyed the country, I can understand that.

Stallion

(6,631 posts)
49. I Agree pretty much all he does now is Paint and Attend SMU Football and Basketball Games
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 02:38 AM
Nov 2024

JT45242

(3,223 posts)
51. Corruption runs deep in the bush family, all the way to Agnew days and before
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 03:38 AM
Nov 2024

The old man was a partisan hack and a liar.

Only long after he lied about not being in the CIA in his director hearings did we find out that we was a major CIA operative in the bay if pigs fiasco.

The old man tried to extort prosecutors to protect Agnew (listen to Bagman later episodes).

The old man covered up the money to uran that got him and Raygun elected and the hostages held for several extra months.

WMD...etc...there is likely plenty of kompromat as well from shrubbery cocaine days.

They are all lying, corrupt pieces of crap..every one of the oil tycoon bush family

Metaphorical

(2,393 posts)
52. Every time I've seen W in public in the last decade
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 03:50 AM
Nov 2024

He has struck me as amiable, but not really all that there, and that this has become only more pronounced with time. My suspicion has long been that in 2007-8, he fell off the wagon hard, which was one of the reasons that it was essentially Obama taking over to try to keep the markets from collapsing in the latter half of 2008, which probably won him the White House in October.

I don't think this is a case where he doesn't want to endorse Harris. Rather, it is Bush trying desperately not to get pulled back into politics.

I don't think that Bush was all that evil. I just don't think he had a very strong will, and was easily manipulated.

TSExile

(3,363 posts)
56. Very astute perception.
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 08:19 AM
Nov 2024

That's my feeling, too. I never thought of him as truly evil or treating people the way the RAPIST does.

H2O Man

(76,503 posts)
60. I agree up until
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 12:53 PM
Nov 2024

your last two sentences. When he was governor, my late friend Rubin Carter met with him to discuss a death penalty case. Rubin told me that Bush was "giddy" about executing people, and was the coldest person he ever met.

Oldvet

(77 posts)
55. I honestly think
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 07:46 AM
Nov 2024

Bush and the DNC did some focus group studies if his endorsement would help or hurt Harris and decided to leave it neutral.

JI7

(91,666 posts)
61. I don't think it would really help. And Dick Cheney's
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 01:01 PM
Nov 2024

makes a bigger statement with the saying " Trump sucks so bad that even Cheney is supporting Harris" . Becsuse Bush isn't really seen as right wing or extremist but rather as an incompetent fool and a failure as President.

Think of that time he was talking about Putin or some other thing having done something horrible in Ukraine but he said Iraq by mistake but even he knew what he did could apply to what he did in Iraq. He knows he was a shitty president .

.

AntiFascist

(13,185 posts)
65. GWB descends from a line of pro-fascists...
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 03:19 PM
Nov 2024

while the 2000 election ushered in an era of voter suppression tactics and disinformation (leading to the war in Iraq), that have been adopted by Republicans, and now finally coming to the surface for all to see.

czarjak

(12,709 posts)
66. "I'm a member of a Secret Society, a society so secret, I can't even talk about it."
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 03:23 PM
Nov 2024

Said W before. He swore an oath to it long before rising politically. They're all complicit. Period. But we're The Deep-State?

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