Rest in truth.

Can recommend The C Bomb on BBC radio. She had one hell of a life and left it making us laugh.
RIP

right up until the end

We have lost a fighter and she is so needed here. Rest in peace dear person! You are missed.💗💗🙏🏼💐

especially coming from women themselves. It's as sadly self-hating as Black people calling themselves the "N-word".

not another woman.

Rest in peace brave soul!

of who it is targeting...

Those who would call Trump a "cunt" say NOTHING about him, and EVERYTHING about their own contempt for women's bodies.

and no, I'm not talking about MY departure.

Dr. Godley was from Scotland, where the word "cunt" is commonly used as an insult - it's also an insult to any vagina. It's a crude word, and it is used in this incidence to describe an even cruder individual. You should choose your battles, and not take on the Scottish people. They know what they're doing.

Like how the gay community turned “queer” into a prideful word.
Repurposing a misogynistic slur to attack the creeps.

All while understanding this wonderful woman’s insult to Trump.
And her sense of humor as she faced dying.
May I have some of that before I die.

Amen to that..It is how my much loved mom coped with cancer and I with the series of unfortunate events that have dogged me ;-/..

I don’t think one can survive modern life wo a sense of humor:

I hope to say, “I got you last” as I touch them and exhale for the last time.
I saw it in a cartoon years ago and it stuck.

It is the most extreme insult, but we also see don't lesser ones, like "prick" or "dick" as saying anything about men.

In the UK the word is used as a non-sexist insult. Where I live, the word can be an insult (Donald Trump is a dumb c***), used by bogans as a form of greeting friends (Hey, ya c***!) or to describe something not very nice that someone's done (That was a c***y move!).

I think Trump is a massive c***. Feel free to tell me about this supposed contempt I have for my own body.

but it's being quoted here on a US site where the word is NOT used lightly. If the word was used here in the same way you describe its use elsewhere, it would be deleted as a TOS violation; Persistent attempts would get the poster banned. Cultural sensitivity -- It's a thing.

We will have to agree to disagree.
Have a lovely weekend!

a women's genitals as the lowest, most disgusting thing around.

Ask yourself this: If a white person calls another white person the 'n-word', who are they insulting, that white person or black people, generally?
I'd say the latter, and it's the same with women and the C word.

I look at context and it’s actually very funny how she used it against the target of her ire.

but I'd find her ire at Trump amusing as well had she not, with all the gender neutral insults available, chosen a gender slur instead.

It is applied to both men and women
Differnt country different meaning for the same word.
Just like biscuit means differnt things

opinion, but can see why others think otherwise. And I don't think black people using the "n" word are expressing self-hatred. One of the guys I last trained, a Golden Gloves super heavyweight champion, used the word in a few situations. He laughed and said, "We stole that word from racists whites. They can only say it in private. So we're showing we can say it in public. And that pisses them off to the extent some try to argue about it publicly."

I'd also point to Dave Chappelle. Some like him, some don't. He is one of, if not thee, most influential comedians in his era. He makes all kinds of jokes.

However, they are two words that I do not use.

Hence the handy asterisk as a substitute for the "u" in the thread title.

But I respect this lady's right of expression, and I most certainly concur with her choice of target!

That it is not doing them any good and it cannot be owned by those subjected. We clearly see with woman, that we are not "owning" the sexist slurs.

and I believe they're doing the right thing.

In terms of its effectiveness, I frankly think the whole practice of "reclaiming", or "owning" an insult as a way to 'defuse' it is exaggerated. It's worked in one or two instances, but is not, imo, a reliable strategy.
I'd guess that part of its appeal, lies in its being easy..It takes far less work than actually constructing an actual ARGUMENT against the use of demeaning terms. Instead of engaging in that kind of sometimes rigorous effort, one just opts to take an insult and "wear it"..I believe it fails more often than it succeeds.

your opinion. You make a strong case for your position, which is exactly what I like the most on DU. So thank you for this. And I intend my responses here in a respectful manner, in the spirit of an interesting, important conversation.

Now, I am very old. So old, that I likely have said that a dozen times but can't remember. Two branches of the extended family are black, and came from NYC. Rap music started there -- and likely other places -- in the early 1970s. From NYC, it caught on. Even back then adults from these communities warned the younger generation. And hip-hop caught on in the 2000s, and older people warned the youth. That's not a new or limted thing. Elvis and the Beatles upset the older generation, and they warned us.

Of no importance, perhaps, my family came from the Old Sod. They were not greeted with open arms by the WASPs. In my youth, some of the old hatred lingered and found expression. I'm not comparing it, for even if there are similarities, there are obvious significant differences. I am concerned about the levels of hatred -- sexism and racism in particular -- that is rising again in this country. I think this cycle started when Senator Obama was running for president. So I do pay attention to the things you have said here.

I really do, and I certainly won't argue with you about black people's use of the N word, especially among themselves. It may have been a bad analogy. I just don't think that, in general, attempts to "reclaim" an insult for the purpose of defusing it, works as well as some imagine..Thanks for sharing you're experience with me (are you a boxer? ) and also the fact of your refusing to use insults based on condition of birth.

The respect is mutual!

I tend to focus my concerns on the world my generation -- including me -- are handing down to my grandchildren's generation. And I don't feel good about all of the toxins that saturate the social fabric these days. I think that Democrats need to study examples such as Martin Luther King, Jr's approach ...... because we can not and will not "out-hate" the maga cult. And I remember long, long ago, in an English class in college, the teacher saying that a good writer does not need to curse to fully express themselves.

I used to speak at colleges and universities. I loved being challenged by students. These days, the old bag of bones & lard I inhabit prevents my doing that. But I continue to study people, individuals and groups. I try to remain hopeful.


On edit: I boxed when I was young. I was pretty good. It was my friend Rubin Carter who convinced me to quit boxing, and get into college. I'll note that when he was young, he favored Malcolm X. Years later, he came to understand that King was correct.

The Brits use the word against male jerks.

Perhaps you need to re-read the DU terms of service regarding slurs based on Race, Religion, and Gender.
Have a nice one.
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If it is, in fact, "not going anywhere" it's because it's a quote originating in another country and culture
with the intent of somehow
"memorializing" a dead woman, and those would be the ONLY reasons.
Used in another context, it would be gone faster than you can say "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left".

It’s very un Democratic.

By all means, "dear", alert that. I'd wear that ding with pride if you somehow hit the lottery for a likeminded jury.

to put it in quotes, dont you? That, or replacing the "u" in the word with a symbol, as the OP did, is the ONLY way this flies here, and we know that.
As to juries, they don't reflect "likemindedness" as much as you might think..A better representation of the "popularity" of an OP is seen by comparing the number of 'recs' it has in proportion to the number of 'views' it's received. When you check the "info" box on the OP you'll it has 188 recs. That seems like a lot until you see that over 4,350 DUers have viewed it, which amounts to LESS than 5 percent, making for a most miniscule number of "endorsements".

Nah..I didn't think so. As Katha Politt said "Misogyny IS the last acceptable bigotry of the Left.

The question is why you would be sensitive to one but not the other.

I’m sensitive to gender slurs. I’m also intelligent enough to understand things like context. Hope that clears it up.

Maybe allow for cultural differences and stop assuming everyone everywhere should conform to American norms. It’s super arrogant.

I've been to the UK several times and when I am IN the UK, I DO allow for the "difference in cultural norms", but we are not IN the UK now, are we?..We're on an American political board, so you might want to turn it around a bit and consider the "arrogance" of those in OTHER countries refusing to recognize OUR cultural norms when in our space.

Cultural sensitivity -- It goes both ways.

I know it’s horrific that this dead woman used a slur common to her country but try to press on.

Are you kidding? I love a good sanctimony party!

I guess these toothless little "insults" will have to suffice.
Unfortuntely, those of us who CAN argue on the merits tend to be bored with such tripe, and so choose to enjoy their day rather than indulge it. Buh bye now.

Is being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian some kind of principled stand?

but I'm afraid I can't help anyone
who fails to understand rational discourse.
Bye.

😬

We can't see it based on how things are in the US.

Really common cuss word across Britain
Offensive but not as outre as in USA
You'll just have to deal with that as you will

I'm not sure about Canada or other English speaking countries, but I suspect the US is the odd one out. It's not a gender based slur here, though I'd never use it against another woman as an insult.

The argument I'm seeing is this is a US forum and we need to respect US culture. I'm sensitive to Americans who are offended by the word by saying c***. I'll make one exception this time only and give a nod to the Scottish lady who sadly passed away by saying that Trump is a cunt, a real cunty McCunt. Apologies to anyone offended but Asterisks would spoil that line.

parody, i know

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

For Du to embrace this on one side and not another is a little bit sick. So tired of vile toward women. Per law we are already in states killing women and girls not providing medical care. This feeds into the misogyny.

That people here don’t understand cultural differences or demand that all cultures conform to American norms isn’t her problem.

Culture difference or not, it is a reality. Democrats are good about holding two positions at the same time and call out the harm. Like, Jason Kelce smashing the phone of a mouth throwing out gay slurs, then using the gay slur himself for retaliation. He was wrong with using the gay slur back at him, BECAUSE we know the harm.

Shame on me. Use any slur for any reason on gays or blacks and get called out, not going to hear a single person say it is sanctimonious. ONLY with women can we use a bigoted slur and if a woman dares to have an issue she is sanctimonious.

It’s about a woman in Scotland who called Trump the C word. Whataboutisms aren’t going to change that.

I cannot tell you the number of times on DU listening to someone use the B or C word and defending it when using it on Republican women cause we do not like them, while outraged, I tell you, when used on ours. So, you have an issue with Elon calling Harris the C word on twitter?

And yes, I do have a problem with Elmo calling her that. The difference is I can process nuance and recognize Dr Godley calling Trump that is not the same.

women. I think she misinterpreted the ramifications, but then we shouldnt have an issue with Elon, if we decide it is not hate speech, right?

I do have a problem with him call her that. The difference is I can process nuance and can understand Dr Godley calling Trump the C word is not the same.

dying because the can no longer get certain medical procedure for the indifference or just flat out hate toward them. The C word fuels that, nothing is in a vacuum BUT Bannons, I enjoy your posts, we see this different, neither will relent so I am done with this conversation. I take it personally and is so sad for me, I do not need to hash it out with people I enjoy.

Have a good evening.

Basically your trying to assign us culture to a statement in a foreign country


The rest of the world doesn’t have to subscribe to American sensitivity

and has the guts to say so!

words with black or gays, but a woman? ..... sure. I have always had a problem with the hypocrisy and calling it out. I won't shut up, even alone. So thank you.

about the hypocrisy and double standards applied to women, even by supposed "progressives"

It's why I think The Nation's feminist writer, Katha Pollitt nails it in claiming that "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left".

LizBeth, I am so glad to find another kindred spirit here!
I feel exactly the same -- I won't shut up either, even if alone. Would enjoy talking to you by pm sometime, if that's okay.

In the process of buying a condo and elections, lol.... oh but you betcha. Anytime you want so send a message, feel free. !!!

😀

she got her last laugh, for sure

She will rest in total peace, knowing no trump, wife or spawn, will ever be in heaven.
He could actually start a mass religious rebound by
People thinking the best way to never deal with them again, is an eternity after life, where they will never be. Make me wanna commit just thinking eternity in hell with trumps is one of two options.
Fire and brimstone preachers need to make THAT the fear they yell every Sunday, for donations.

The Scots have some good insults for Trump

In the adult world around the world that word is not about Women it is about assholes. Sigh

Yes Donald Trump is a Cunt Cunt Cunt🤬🤬🤬

I have never in my life used that word in relation to a Woman and never would, it is no different than words like shagging, fanny etc. that have an entirely different meaning here and the rest of the world.

others that all the time.

This is a sad thread, .... I should have never stepped in.

It is used toward men because it is the most vile thing you can say about a woman, painting him as a nasty women, hence the insult. But of course we do this only with women, but not other protected groups.

I blame the internet.

Because I know people in Scotland hated Drumph well before 2016.

Link to tweet

I've thought of her often.

Back when Hillary was running....

"As a broader derogatory term, it is comparable to prick and means "a fool, a dolt, an unpleasant person – of either sex". This sense is common in New Zealand, British, and Australian English, where it is usually applied to men or as referring specifically to "a despicable, contemptible or foolish" man."

https://tinyurl.com/mry3wspc

Because as we feminize what is perceived as weak with the p word, the same with the c word meaning a prick. But, the real insult is behaving like a female. Weak or nasty, the insult is calling a man woman, and no greater insult than that, hence calling a man a woman one way or another. That simple.

And.....I Miss Molly Ivans.......