Don't know if we'll win, but no one can fault the Harris Walz team if they lose--they were pretty much flawless.

Maybe he’d turn it around, but it I think it was a good thing that we got Kamala. Too many stupid people bought the lies, propaganda and slander against Biden.

...even if we had stuck with Biden, I always felt like voters would ultimately be faced with the choice of another four years of Trump or another four years of Biden -- and enough voters, when it came time to cast their ballot, would dispense of Trump just like they did in 2020 because most of us are sick of his shit.

So, it might have caused even more anxiety with some around these parts -- is that even possible? -- and it would probably be closer than it will end up being with Kamala as the head of the ticket, but I think Biden would have beaten Trump just the same.

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That's another interesting slant on this. The poll only asked people to consider odds of winning, but not also the variable of winning by how much. (Though as it turns out, it looks like few respondents even thought they had about the same chance of winning, period.)

One of the biggest concerns about the election is what Trump will do if Harris wins... and I think the turmoil that could follow might be based, in part, on how much Harris wins by. If it all comes down to a situation where flipping one state would change the outcome (e.g. Pennsylvania), I think the potential turmoil is worse than if changing the outcome would require "proving" shenanigans in lots of states. The bigger the electoral margin of victory, I think, the harder it will be for TFG to convince bigger groups of people that the results may be suspect.

Related, in any given state, the more Harris wins by (in that state's popular vote), I think the harder it is to create skepticism about that vote. And if exit polls support a Harris blowout, so much the better (though that could be trickier if Harris is indeed getting a lot of "secret" votes from people who won't even admit who they voted for to their spouse).

The pressure campaign against Pres. Biden had my dander up at the time, and I was feeling about as lost as could be after his announced non-run. But then came the (what to me) immediate, incredible, unexpected, and enthusiastic response to VP Harris stepping up to the plate to take on the job.

I think I can objectively say my measure of enthusiasm for the the election has increased by about 20% (give or take a little) over the past two months.

Trump hasn't been able to keep up and neither would Biden have been able to.

Win or lose, Kamala Harris gave us the absolute best chance to win.

I think the odds are better than they would have been, and I think that's a shame. I feel, very strongly and with what I consider to be compelling evidence, that Joseph Robinette Biden was in most ways a good - even great - President. (I said most ways.)

I think the effort to oust Biden as incumbent candidate was one of the slimiest and most loathsome eras of US political media in living memory (bear in mind I'm not that old, only a little over 50). I still haven't forgiven major outlets for their determined trashing of then-Sen. Harris during the primaries leading up to 2020, and their relentless criticism of her in her tenure as VP. I will never forgive those offenses. I won't forgive the trashing of Pres. Biden either.

He ain't perfect. He's made some painful mistakes (Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas). But I think he will be remembered as a great POTUS, with the filtering of years. Sad that he's unlikely to get the credit he deserves until he's been long out of office, but I do think he will get it.

I'd like to also note that I voted for Sen. Kamala Harris in my state's Democratic primary. When Biden won, I admit to some disappointment but was more than happy to support him. I'm glad to see VP Harris getting her moment.

that we're not worrying about now.

And frankly, I think Harris has energized the constituencies we needed to put it over the top.

For what he accomplished and tried to accomplish. The slide started with the Afghanistan withdrawal (which wasn't his fault). The messaging and hostile press was relentless from then on. There needed to be ferocious pushback and messaging to counter that but there wasn't. Part of it is a media ecosystem that strangles positive messaging on our behalf. By election time he was in a hole that couldn't be dug out of and being pushed aside by people who should've been fighting harder for him all along.
Having said that the Harris campaign has exceeded my expectations of what could be done to dig out of that hole and I couldn't be more pleased about her.
I am cautiously optimistic

Having Kamala at the top of the ticket has had a bigger impact than I ever imagined. I think Biden would have won but it would have been more of a nailbiter with missteps along the way. Biden has been a wonderful president, but he was never a really great campaigner. In 2020, the stars aligned for him and he ran the most perfect campaign of his life. I don't think that could have been replicated.

The lack of courage and principles by republicans will probably be the greatest contributor to the final outcome for republicans.

..including info like, virtually all expected-Biden voters became Harris voters; but only 84% of Harris voters are sure they'd have picked Biden, and in fact, 4% say that, in that contest, they would have picked Trump!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/05/trump-biden-harris-alternative-universes/