They are punishing women for saying "no," if Kamala Harris loses.

This is insanity. I can't believe that this madman would actually get back in the White House. Actually, he won't because if he does pull off a win, he will be promptly dumped in favor of Vance or Mike Johnson.

People here have been claiming the end of Trump for almost a decade and not one prediction has come true outside of the 2020 election loss.

He is gone mentally, and his cabinet will 25th Amendment him.

They are the ones who still have the lion's share of unearned privilege in this country.

but it's a problem among all races.

Hatred of women which is a much stronger hate than racism ever was.

I am finished with this world. I have no hope left. I will keep breathing but I hate this country, this world, so much.

And I’m stuck here. I’m done following politics, why bother. Hate and misogyny will win every time.

The women hatred is intense in many countries. Its so much that I feel so much safer here in the U.S.

I'm one hell of a lot safer in Western Europe.
Because I won't fucking die of sepsis if I have a miscarriage, for starters.
And second, my partner is very unlikely to murder me with a gun.

The US is as violent and misogynistic a country as many others.

I am still furious with Olbermann and Chris Matthews and the rest of the MSNBC boys' club.

Men hate women. Women hate women.

Rich people hate poor people. Middle class people hate poor people. Poor people hate poor people.

Conservative Christians hate the teachings of Jesus.

Everyone hates immigrants.

but women to women I think its more the abortion religion thing and few women I know believe he is better on the economy. That show apprentice really fucked us over, everyone including me in the beginning thought it was true.

I have thought this for a very long time. I don’t think you’re right, I know you are.

Alot of women hate other women.

And he's as white as Trump.

She had the rallies, the ground game, the endorsements from military and former Republicans.

And we refused to have a contest. I'm furious.

Given that he’s a young-ish white male, you may be right.

He's nearly at Obama levels.

Trump would have won anyway.

You have absolutely no way to know that, nor a rational basis for it.

The fact is, Trump won against a Black woman.

You can hypothesize all you want, but you cannot say with certitude that a white man (not named Joe Biden) would categorically have lost.

But I have no doubt that Biden would have done worse.

You do know that all your posts on this thread are visible, right?

As a first matter, this OP, which you are hand-waving, and thus this thread, is not about whether Joe Biden would have done better.

So this response is an utter non sequitur.

As a second matter, you are, in this very thread, claiming that misogyny and racism had nothing to do with the outcome BUT Gavin Newsome would have won for sure.

So you can't predict an alternate universe...except the one where Gavin wins in a walk.

And you don't think it has anything to do with race or gender...but a white guy would have won it.

I'm generally impressed with your work. But on this one, I think you're not doing quite as well as you think you are.

But I think Biden would have done worse. Maybe he would have done better.

Why are you talking about Biden?

This thread is not about whether Biden would have done better. You think a different white man would have done better.

Your position supports the OP your are criticizing.

But I will give you this: You've caused me to write more words than you did. And that's a win in your line of work, right?

After tonight, we all lose.

You really aren't quite as good at this as you seem to believe you are.

But my concerns turned out to be a lot more realistic than most here.

Why bother. Misogyny is alive, well and thriving.

If I flee to another country, I'm hoping to create a foothold for her.

It is about hating women. It runs deeper than I imagined.

That is hard to accept.

But we cannot elect a woman. We had two very competent and intelligent women running against the most pitiful and incompetent candidate we’ve ever had and they couldn’t beat them. And people are voting for a party that is against doing anything for the non-wealthy. Apparently hate is more important for them. Also fear is behind a lot of it.

but I thought the misogyny was still consigned to the far fringe, the online bro culture, the incels and the male oriented podcasts. But it's way worse than that. A lot of the threats received by politicians and election officials contained so many extraneous sexual threats, and the ones I've seen recently were guys sixty and older who were arrested. It probably cuts across all age groups, but it blew my mind to see people in that age category making these kinds of threats. I'm too shaken to really analyze this now, but it must be faced.

There's something broken on the deepest possible level about a lot of Americans--something that transcends politics and is a product of something in our culture--change that is too rapid, or an unwillingness to evolve. To vote for Trumpism now reflects a kind of selfishness that is almost solipsistic and even nihilistic. I don't know...

It is about hating women. It runs deeper than I imagined.

That is hard to accept.

And somehow we didn't see it. I guess because the filth know it's immoral, and won't admit it.

the right to vote. These white dudes are mad they aren't getting laid anymore to the extent to which they are entitled, and it is all the fault of women because they can now live independently of them.

It isn't going to change the trajectory any. The economy can't make it without women's participation. Women will just flat-out refuse to marry and have kids before they have anything to do with these men.

Punishment will be meted out to us women, POC, LGBTQ.

It will be worse than any of us could ever imagine.

as well as Mike Johnson are of the mindset that certain groups and certain behaviors are deserving of the death penalty.

I don't think they are talking out of their backsides, either.

Nothing is worth being dependent on one of those creeps.
Forty years in corporate jobs was a piece of cake compared to that. I got to leave at night.

Enough people wanted trump

digested that.

Countries in the world.

Where in our culture is respect for women and girls taught?

I'm distanced geographically from this and know we have our own problems with sexism here, but tonight I'm so worried for my sister's in the US (excluding any female who voted for the rapist who's spewed hatred towards women). I think there will be a national abortion ban and women worldwide will look on in horror the same way they did when it came to women in Ireland a few years ago.

that's really big on Leviticus and ignores Jesus pretty completely.

I held out no hope at all for the south and I was right. People still sort each other out by which wingnut church they go to. I was right to get out of Dodge in the late 60s and I was right to stay gone. It is soul crushing down there for those of us who don't fit.

He hates Trump. He didn't like Harris (the laugh thing) but I think he voted for her.

So this morning I messaged him a sad face. And his reply was - time to move on, I'm not going to let it get me down.

And I thought, Of course not- nobody is trampling on your rights. This is a clown show for you, but it doesn't affect you personally. So you don't care all that much.

That's not hate, but its indifference. And there are an awful lot of white men who are totally indifferent to the suffering of women in this country.