There is no one coming. Hell is coming.

No one.

We need to have a symbol. Some jewelry, scarf or other piece of clothing.

The simple answer is “no idea”.

This is the stuff Russell Vought for instance actually says:
https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-vought-center-renewing-america-maga

I am a subscriber to Arendt’s notion of the banality of evil. I think a war of economic attrition and complete chaos at the very least seem likely.

All of our predictions go out the door when wildcards like this lot (Trump, Musk, Vance) come into power. It could be very bad or really astonishingly bad.

I am hoping it will only be very bad but then again I am the Pollyanna who bought into the Iowa Poll and the promise of ..oh so many things that failed to materialize this election. It was mostly serious wishful thinking rather than a prediction, something I rarely attempt (beyond “looks scary”).

There is no saying. A cat and mouse game at any rate is a given re any liberals who speak out or anything..

that the key to a totalitarian takeover is the elimination of any divergent voices. The Leader speaks in one voice, all must follow, or be eliminated. That's why MAGA hates anyone who doesn't adhere to the propaganda and doesn't look like them.

Everyone who is different. The camps are waiting.

Hannah saw this coming in this country.

I believe we will resist, to what extent I don’t know.
Last time our state passed laws protecting ourselves as best we could.
I’m still glad we have two formidable mountain ranges and deserts, both high and low, between us and DC.

I have loved living here for the last 26 years, but never more than I do this day. So grateful that I made a career path that supported the move.

I mean, the last time Trump was President there were body bags in the streets of New York because he thought Covid was just like a cold, so anything is possible this time.

Acquiescence, appeasement, and suicide require a level of self-loathing I don’t possess. Fleeing to another country is pointless, since this will affect the entire planet.

Resistance is the only acceptable option I can think of. This situation requires that we gather our wits and develop an organized plan.

I don't know what forms resistance should or can take but we'd better think of something.

I’m sure you all feel the same about somewhere you live. So, we resist.

We are screwed.

idiot red states always threaten that. Maybe blue states should give it a try. How else will the freedoms and opportunities America promised be maintained? I'm sorry for the people who fought so hard to keep the United States a free counrty using the Constitutuion of The U.S.A. as its roadmap.
The criminals have thwarted and perverted the principles and intent of this country. The people who will pay the hardest are women, minorities, and LGBTQ+, and all of us who are woke. But if this criminal band takes power, we are all losing our country, and no matter if we support the criminals or defy them, we will lose everything we worked to have, from our loved ones to our property, to our freedom.

It makes sense to me to separate from the ruins and try to establish a country based on American ideals.


Obviously, I'm heart broken.

DC and Maryland are blue... and he will sit right in the middle

deals with Nazi resistance in Norway.

Quote: The story follows the townspeople as they grapple with the meaning of freedom and their obligations as citizens. The invaders impose their will on the villagers, but the villagers fight back.

The Moon Is Down inspired resistance across Europe. After World War II, Norwegian King Haakon VII awarded Steinbeck the Freedom Cross for the book's perceived impact in Norway.

The book was secretly translated into many languages, including French, Norwegian, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, German, Italian, and Russian

In fascist Italy, possessing the book was punishable by death.

I read it when the Arab Spring was occurring. When I read it. Wow sounded like something to use against the (maga) republicans.

I’m in New Mexico and ready to join if a resistance group is formed. Paper clips sound good as a way to ID one another.
I am in a state of shock this morning. Hard to accept our loss to a vile human who is likely to make millions of our lives miserable.

There are a lot of weaknesses inherent in fascist regimes to exploit.

IMO, much of this has been the product of the Christian Nationalists/New Apostolic Reformation(NAR)/Opus Dei movement. There are more of them than I thought there were.

They will be fighting each other like scorpions in a jar for power, influence and money. That's one place to start.

I think not in question --- just what the transition looks like

Any wave for us needed to happen yesterday. I am seriously afraid of the future for the first time ever. Caligula won young men and Hispanics by about half…and the latter group are the very people Caligula wants to deport!

“Slugs for salt! Slugs for salt! Slugs for salt!”

This, a letter I wrote to the guys who run Electoral-Vote.com, is about what this country has just voted for:

Thanks jmbar2. I guess a lot of power hungry grifter fascists would find getting along with each other hard.

... you are not being dramatic ENOUGH. When a psychopath tells you, and shows you, time and time again, just what monster he is, BELIEVE HIM!
There can be no wishy-washy dithering from those who have to power to strip away the curtains of malice and deceit behind this obscenely corrupt travesty. The red flags are everywhere; the assholes bragged about what they were doing, even as they stuffed election boards with election deniers.
This is NOT over.

Is that enough bold italicized caps for you?

because I feel like I ought to be out on a street corner screaming. Dramatically.

... and my voice carries all the way up to the nosebleed seats!

Is to stop buying needless shit and hoard your money.

We should stop playing their games. There are probably other ways to unplug from their system.

Even 2% and it's a fucking depression.

We should just get off the capitalism train all together. Buy used, barter with like-minded friends, grow our own food if we can. Just get off the grid.

Some subscriptions. Don't impulse buy. Pay off all debt and horde cash. The whole cha cha collapses in 6 months.

I know that’s going to be tricky. Billionaires own almost everything now.

That marketplace program on NPR has drilled it into my head. Consumer spending is the whole fucking game. They have a 2 or 3 % drop and it's panic time. I could easily cut out 5% monthly and so could a lot of people.

I’m going to order Ruth Ben-Ghiat’s Strongman. I hear it has a lot of detail about how resistance is done under authoritarian regimes.

I'll hit the library for that one.

Will do.

"White Rose" resistance in Berlin. We are there now.

Our dilemma is internal.

But one of the things I learned when reading about the Norwegian resistance movement, which was one of the most effective such movements in Europe, was that some people were Nazi sympathizers or members of the party, and the resistance members were constantly having to hide their activities not only from the known Nazis but from friends and neighbors - either because they were known to be on the Nazis' side or because they didn't know; so everything was very clandestine. The long-term effects of this secrecy and mistrust lasted for years after the war was over.

The most vulnerable groups are LGBTQ+, especially trans, women of reproductive age, the elderly on fixed incomes, and those without healthcare. I believe Obamacare has only a short life left, and Medicaid and other social safety net programs will be history. With the huge deficits that will come with tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations, Social Security benefits will be cut significantly, harming the elderly poor who depend on it to stay alive. Another way the poor of all ages will be harmed is the reversal of a cap on insulin prices as well as the end of any attempts to lower drug prices.

Trump’s plan to deport millions of undocumented workers will have a huge negative impact on food and other costs. To avoid this, I think he will instead round up those who are not working—women, children, the elderly, the infirm—and put them in deportation camps for eventual deportation, including any children who are US citizens. Those who have jobs in major industries will be ignored until all others have been forced out of the country. The SC will turn a blind eye.

The other way the economy will be hurt is through tariffs. Other countries will retaliate and we will be in a trade war with inflation constantly rising. US manufacturers will see their exports decline, and that will be followed by job cuts.

Trump and Project 2025 has promised all of these actions and the media did very little to warn voters or to explain the probable consequences. A few articles comparing the Trump and Harris economic plans were ineffective, probably because they were only in media like WaPo and NYT—not a source of information for most Trump voters.

So here we are. I foresee more underground activities for resistance, like the abortion providers called the Janes. I’m not sure what other clandestine activities would benefit people, but I think they will arise.

For example, there are existing organizations that arrange and fund travel to states where women can get legal abortions, which will be needed as long as there isn't a nationwide abortion ban. Realistically I don't see that happening immediately, though it certainly could at some point. Free or low-cost health care clinics, community farms and gardens - these are all small, local things but every little effort will help someone who needs it.

Cooperatives and strong communities within communities. Selective, consistent boycotts and targeted lifestyle sacrifices. The pain is relieved by sense of fellowship.

We need to think about how we're going to survive this and resist as much as possible whenever and wherever we can...

Thanks for this thread...