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milestogo

(20,118 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:46 AM Nov 2024

Stop. Blaming. Democrats.

I feel like I am watching a rape victim obsess over what she did to deserve being raped, pregnant, and full of STDs.

The election is a news story, and there are lots of ways to spin it. All news is a form of propaganda, and once we've heard it, we tend to think of it as truth written in stone. We don't know what's missing from the story.

We do know that Republicans will STOP AT NOTHING to gain power. We do know that Trump hangs with some of the worst actors on the planet, namely MUSK and PUTIN. If Musk was willing to pay huge sums for votes, god only knows what else he would do.

Remember President John Kerry, who mysteriously lost Ohio in the middle of the night?

Remember President Al Gore, who lost Florida because the Supremes said to stop counting the votes?

This election needs to be investigated, and quickly.

Don't assume that there will even be another Presidential election. If America turns full fascist, our "elections" will mean no more than they do in Russia.

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Stop. Blaming. Democrats. (Original Post) milestogo Nov 2024 OP
Agree! 100 per cent MaryMagdaline Nov 2024 #1
Agreed DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #2
I blame democrats for listening to the media, he polls True Blue American Nov 2024 #14
Is Merrick Garland not a Democrat? kiri Nov 2024 #38
Agreed! Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2024 #42
America voted for OJ Simpson the white version, there's something wrong with society not the candidate uponit7771 Nov 2024 #3
Need to take aim at sens and reps kerouac2 Nov 2024 #4
I agree that Democrats should not be blamed for what happened whole heartedly, there will be no investigation. Biden is JohnSJ Nov 2024 #5
I don't know that it has to be ordered by Biden milestogo Nov 2024 #12
Right there with you. FalloutShelter Nov 2024 #46
We've conceded, it's over. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2024 #6
Vote totals Homoudont Nov 2024 #7
It will be closer to 76M Trump Votes Zeitghost Nov 2024 #15
People didn't vote, not cross over to vote for Trump. valleyrogue Nov 2024 #33
My point Zeitghost Nov 2024 #36
Exit polls suggest that Hispanic voters swung strongly to Trump. yardwork Nov 2024 #40
I dont know if im convinced dems stayed home oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #30
Oh. I'm going to blame the Dems Tesha Nov 2024 #8
It used to be that when you registered to vote yorkster Nov 2024 #16
T***p will act like he's president now, before he's inaugurated. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2024 #50
And in NC the opposite happened -- the voted Trump but everything else is blue across state government obamanut2012 Nov 2024 #37
I hate those threads which dismiss shenanigans going on with those thieving thugs Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #9
We play fair so we assume that everyone else does. milestogo Nov 2024 #13
It's OK to criticize party leaders Johnny2X2X Nov 2024 #10
Democrats got caught up in a global anti-incumbency phenomenon Blaukraut Nov 2024 #11
Would you like to post that article in Editorials & Other Articles? Emrys Nov 2024 #19
Agreed. The Madcap Nov 2024 #22
K&R! mcar Nov 2024 #17
I accept that we lost, but I also don't blame Democrats. Wingus Dingus Nov 2024 #18
Well. The election is not going to be investigated AKwannabe Nov 2024 #20
Need to control the Narrative Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #21
Exactly - Stop blaming Democrats. n/t iluvtennis Nov 2024 #23
This election IS like one in Russia, MaeScott Nov 2024 #24
No one is doing that. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #25
Investigate, fine but Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #26
I texted my brother who did vote for Harris that I don't want to hear ANY complaints about what mucifer Nov 2024 #27
I agree PatSeg Nov 2024 #31
This! happy feet Nov 2024 #28
Does this mean that only cheaters can win? FakeNoose Nov 2024 #29
Agree 100% ananda Nov 2024 #32
Democrats voted for The Prosecutor! We got no one to blame but the voters for The Criminal! ancianita Nov 2024 #34
It's in the past already stillcool Nov 2024 #35
You should let Obama know about, "This election needs to be investigated, and quickly" idea. jalan48 Nov 2024 #39
Obama has problems with confrontation. milestogo Nov 2024 #43
Wow. Not a good trait for a President of the US jalan48 Nov 2024 #45
He was super committed to being "nice" and bipartisan. milestogo Nov 2024 #48
It'll never happen... (investigating the election) FirstLight Nov 2024 #41
In Rural Texas SheLiberal Nov 2024 #44
I for one dont want to hesr that name agsin. Figarosmom Nov 2024 #47
I agree with every word you said karin_sj Nov 2024 #49
My final conclusion: world wide wally Nov 2024 #51
It is a reflection of the last 70 years IbogaProject Nov 2024 #52

kiri

(926 posts)
38. Is Merrick Garland not a Democrat?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:31 PM
Nov 2024

Biden appointed this traitor who sat on his hands for TWO years before investigating Trump. He is totally complicit.

uponit7771

(92,647 posts)
3. America voted for OJ Simpson the white version, there's something wrong with society not the candidate
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:53 AM
Nov 2024

kerouac2

(1,133 posts)
4. Need to take aim at sens and reps
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:56 AM
Nov 2024

Pin everything he does on the gop senators and reps locally and regionally. They can't be left to go back and hide from what they support. Take back those seats for some bit of control.

JohnSJ

(98,293 posts)
5. I agree that Democrats should not be blamed for what happened whole heartedly, there will be no investigation. Biden is
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:56 AM
Nov 2024

not going to order it.

I have a media blackout for the time being, and maybe longer.

I was so angry of their double standard in this election where they held Kamala to a much higher standard than her opponent, which she actually exceeded, but they still were critical.

I am so furious and disappointed at the blatant sexism and misogynist attitudes that are so prevalent in our country.



milestogo

(20,118 posts)
12. I don't know that it has to be ordered by Biden
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:08 AM
Nov 2024

If the FBI or the NSA already knows about something, they will investigate.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,266 posts)
6. We've conceded, it's over.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:58 AM
Nov 2024

They’re not going to fight it or investigate it or anything. We lost.

Because Democrats didn’t come out to vote.

But overall, how we got to this point, is because of their STOP AT NOTHING attitude about gaining and wielding power. They did what it took to win the game.

We played by the so-called “rules” and it got us nowhere.

Homoudont

(104 posts)
7. Vote totals
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:58 AM
Nov 2024

Trump will have about the same vote totals as he did in 2020. We had to know that he isn't able to expand his base so we had to know the target to win this election. Trump will get 74 million votes when its all said and done and thats what he got in 2020. Truly disappointed in the fact that democrats stayed at home. Still trying to wrap my head around a democrat that voted for biden in 2020 and decided not to vote at all in 2024. I hope we can get to the bottom of this and figure it out before 2028.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
15. It will be closer to 76M Trump Votes
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:31 AM
Nov 2024

As I wrote in another thread, it's not 5M+ "Democrats" that didn't show up, it's 5M+ "Biden Voters". The President built a large coalition and motivated independents to come out and vote for him. They weren't party loyalists that stayed home, they were swing voters.

valleyrogue

(1,945 posts)
33. People didn't vote, not cross over to vote for Trump.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:20 PM
Nov 2024

There is no point denying it. COVID and nationwide mail-in ballots were huge factors in the 2020 numbers for Biden.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
36. My point
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:29 PM
Nov 2024

Was that it wasn't "Democrats" who stayed home, it was swing voters, independents and never Trump Republicans. The 81M person Biden coalition was the largest in this countries history and Harris wasn't able to recreate it.

yardwork

(66,043 posts)
40. Exit polls suggest that Hispanic voters swung strongly to Trump.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:33 PM
Nov 2024

We need to wait for more data before making conclusions about who showed up and how they voted

oldmanlynn

(630 posts)
30. I dont know if im convinced dems stayed home
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:12 PM
Nov 2024

All the polling for months in swing states had us up 2-3 points. All the polling showed nationally we were up 3-4 percent. We lost those swing states and popular vote it seems

We had dem enthusiasm out the roof. Past elections had dems over performing.

I cant believe it is 5 million biden only voters that failed to show

Now suddenly with trump on ticket we underperform?

Something doesn’t add up.

I hope the dems are looking at this or facism is already here.

Tesha

(21,006 posts)
8. Oh. I'm going to blame the Dems
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:00 AM
Nov 2024

In NH we voted for Harris but we lost the whole state government.

We are now a red state, with FreeStaters who worked to install another republican governor - we'll not only see Project 2025 but Project 2025 on steroids. She will defund women's health, sell our public education, give more tax cuts for the corporations, allow out-of-state trash companies to pollute our waters, and more.

All they had to do was tick every box in one column - that's all we asked.
And we voted Blue at the top and left the rest to go Red.
I blame the Dems.

yorkster

(2,914 posts)
16. It used to be that when you registered to vote
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:47 AM
Nov 2024

as a young person you expected to vote in every damn election. And if you cared about the issues, you voted a "straight ticket".
Too many people have too little knowledge about what the two parties stand for.
And in the case of Trump, it's pretty obvious what you would get if he won a second time. We'll be finding out soon enough.

Other than losing a loved one, this has hit me harder than anything in a long time.
Christ, we lived through 4 years of this monster. Ignorance, selfishness, racism and misogyny ruled on Tuesday.

50. T***p will act like he's president now, before he's inaugurated.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 01:05 PM
Nov 2024

Someone needs to remind him that until he puts his hand on the

Signature edition of
DONALD J. TRUMP
45TH 47TH PRESIDENT
OF THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
THE DAY GOD INTERVENED
JULY 13, 2024
Limited Edition God Bless The USA Bible
Personally Signed by President Trump
$1,000 + sh. www.godblesstheusabible.com

Bible, he is a citizen who has no power. The honorific "President-elect" conveys with it no powers in and of itself.

The peaceful transfer of power -- which he refused to take part in after losing the 2000 election -- has some administrative traditions designed to ensure the new president can hit the ground running. The only one he will focus on will be his security briefings, the contents of which he'll auction off to one of America's sworn enemies -- Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, Elon Musk .

Other than that, his attention will be on how to grift off his win.

obamanut2012

(28,365 posts)
37. And in NC the opposite happened -- the voted Trump but everything else is blue across state government
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:31 PM
Nov 2024

ie Gov, Lt Gov, AG, etc. Many high-level races.

Including gaining control again over the legislature.

Dem4life1234

(2,530 posts)
9. I hate those threads which dismiss shenanigans going on with those thieving thugs
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:02 AM
Nov 2024

There are valid concerns that those votes have been suppressed and messed with and I will continue to believe that.

No way had this madman and his thieving creatures won this fair. Not at all.

Johnny2X2X

(22,622 posts)
10. It's OK to criticize party leaders
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:05 AM
Nov 2024

That's the only way we get better, with a reckoning for what went wrong.

Winning has to be our sole focus going forward. The best candidate for the job isn't the one who can do the job the best, but the one who can win, that has to be the mentality going forward. And that's not to say Harris wasn't our best chance to win, given the circumstances, I think she was, but I don't think that is always our focus.

Blaukraut

(5,954 posts)
11. Democrats got caught up in a global anti-incumbency phenomenon
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:07 AM
Nov 2024

They did nothing wrong other than being the party in power in a year that has seen incumbent after incumbent voted out worldwide.

https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/383208/donald-trump-victory-kamala-harris-global-trend-incumbents


President-elect Donald Trump’s victory in the 2024 election was powered by a remarkably consistent nationwide trend of voters turning against the Democratic ticket. Vice President Kamala Harris performed worse than President Joe Biden did in 2020 nearly everywhere: in big cities and rural areas, in blue states and red ones.

Most of the conventional explanations for why a campaign fails — things like messaging choices, or whether candidates campaigned enough in the right places — cannot account for such a sweeping shift. Such factors matter on the margins and among specific demographic groups, but Harris received a decisive, across-the-board rebuke.

To explain what truly happened, we need to look at global trends as a point of comparison. And when we do, a clear picture emerges: What happened on Tuesday is part of a worldwide wave of anti-incumbent sentiment.

/snip

Emrys

(8,500 posts)
19. Would you like to post that article in Editorials & Other Articles?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:14 AM
Nov 2024

It's something that deserves a wider and less transient audience.

The Madcap

(1,074 posts)
22. Agreed.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:44 AM
Nov 2024

Based on who supports T****, it's pretty obvious there are millions with some sort of grievance out there.

This is the kind of insanity you get when the problems are too big and complex to solve. We as a planet have many of those.

mcar

(44,351 posts)
17. K&R!
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:57 AM
Nov 2024

The blame game has begun. 2 days ago, these same people were saying that Harris/Walz had run a flawless campaign and praising the DNC.

Now they've done a 180.

We cannot let the media get away with this, with once again shifting blame. They normalized It (T*ump), they ran down Biden/Harris every step of the way.

Hatred, fear, misogyny and media manipulation is to blame.

Wingus Dingus

(8,892 posts)
18. I accept that we lost, but I also don't blame Democrats.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:07 AM
Nov 2024

If people don't want: reproductive freedom, affordable health insurance for those who lose their jobs or with pre-existing conditions, clean air, clean water, protected wildlife and forests and wetlands and coastline, labor laws that keep workers from being endangered slaves, regulations on industries that keep our food and drugs safe, protected social security and medicare/medicaid, a world in which our enemies don't gain advantage over us and attack our allies....and so forth and so on...

You can't make them vote for it. They chose fascism, incompetence, kleptocracy--gladly and willingly. I am done.

AKwannabe

(6,694 posts)
20. Well. The election is not going to be investigated
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:35 AM
Nov 2024

BECAUSE THE ONLY group that would investigate IS Democrats.

Idk how the hell it’s gonna be investigated
Cuz it’s all kumbayaaaaaaaah!
Congrats
Come to the WH
Democracy….

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
25. No one is doing that.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:54 AM
Nov 2024

No one is going to. Where is Marc Elias? Where are the discussions about record turn out but 15
Million votes missing. Oh well… it’s nothing to worry about. We were already taken over and too stupid to understand.

Elessar Zappa

(16,318 posts)
26. Investigate, fine but
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:56 AM
Nov 2024

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We’re not the Republicans who shouted “stolen election!” with zero evidence. And I suspect no evidence will be forthcoming. The internal polls apparent;y showed Harris in deep trouble up to a few weeks ago when the MSG rally hit and some of the late deciders were breaking for Harris. But it wasn’t enough. We also know that Hispanic and college-aged men broke big time for Trump and that hurt us tremendously.

mucifer

(25,092 posts)
27. I texted my brother who did vote for Harris that I don't want to hear ANY complaints about what
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:56 AM
Nov 2024

we did wrong. He was talking about it the past few weeks. I think we did the best we could.

I don't understand how we lost in almost everything. It just doesn't make sense.

PatSeg

(49,996 posts)
31. I agree
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:17 PM
Nov 2024

And this whole "blame the Democrats" routine is getting really old. It is just another diversionary tactic used and encouraged by the right. We had good candidates who ran excellent campaigns.

FakeNoose

(37,058 posts)
29. Does this mean that only cheaters can win?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:09 PM
Nov 2024

I don't think it's what you mean to say ... but maybe I'm wrong.

ananda

(31,431 posts)
32. Agree 100%
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:18 PM
Nov 2024

I just don't think there will be an investigation.

Dems are too nice.

After the first Nazi experiment with Trump, not
enough apparatus was put in place to game the
vote against Biden.

But they learned their lesson. Over the next four
years they set up the win for 2024. Republican
officials in red states set up purges, reduced
polling sites for blue areas, made voting by mail
way more difficult, and filed lawsuits and made
direct threats regarding voter registration.

Certain swing states with red legislatures alsoo
made voting more difficult.

And then came the Russians calling in bomb
threats and getting sites shut down.

Then came the billionaires with huge money
efforts, particularly in adviertising and social
media propaganda and misinformation.

And they found a way to divide certain populations,
who should be allies, against each other.

Attacking Haitians as migrants and not Latinos
made Latinos think they were safe, and they carry
a certain amount of bigotry against Black people
anyway. I know this from experience.

I probably didn't cover it all, but you get the gist.

ancianita

(40,215 posts)
34. Democrats voted for The Prosecutor! We got no one to blame but the voters for The Criminal!
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:21 PM
Nov 2024
Democrats rule! We got nothing to apologize for!
Democrats take the dumbass horses to clean, clear, still water! Dems aren't to blame when the dumbasses don't drink!





stillcool

(33,487 posts)
35. It's in the past already
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:24 PM
Nov 2024

In a way, it's almost calming. There is no more truth to be uncovered. If it could be uncovered...no one is even interested in finding it. Any bull will do. I just have to hang in the here and now, and do what I can to help someone else do life.

jalan48

(14,778 posts)
39. You should let Obama know about, "This election needs to be investigated, and quickly" idea.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:32 PM
Nov 2024

He seems to have lost the thread.

milestogo

(20,118 posts)
48. He was super committed to being "nice" and bipartisan.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:52 PM
Nov 2024

Which is how we got stuck with Jim Comey, who screwed over Hillary. Bipartisanship has consequences.

FirstLight

(14,829 posts)
41. It'll never happen... (investigating the election)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:37 PM
Nov 2024

Dems are SO hinged on being the "better than that" party, they will never get dirty and fight like they do.

We're just the ones who have to suffer the consequences.

SheLiberal

(62 posts)
44. In Rural Texas
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:42 PM
Nov 2024

I was working the election in rural Texas and we had so many first time voters that came in and voted, while I don’t know for sure how they were voting they would often ask is this where I come to vote for Republicans. Every elderly white voter in the county were dragged into to vote by family members who would need election workers assistance so I was forced to see their selections. I was saddened and shocked how motivated they were to come in and vote for a rapist.
I naively thought Americans were better than that.

Figarosmom

(5,041 posts)
47. I for one dont want to hesr that name agsin.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:47 PM
Nov 2024

And ironically it was the immigrants ( Latinos and Arabs) that got him the vote in WI. For the central American latinos they just voted for the exact thing they were running from. Makes me think they did the same thing in the country they ran from.

karin_sj

(1,192 posts)
49. I agree with every word you said
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:54 PM
Nov 2024

And if this is allowed to continue and not be investigated, I fear that it will be the last election we have any chance of winning for a long, long time. In the meantime, irreparable damage will be caused to the environment, to the world's democracies, to immigrants, gay/trans people, women, and actually everyone's rights. I sure hope that all of this isn't swept under the rug as it has been so many times in the past.

IbogaProject

(4,195 posts)
52. It is a reflection of the last 70 years
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 02:08 PM
Nov 2024

Everyone is sorted into homogenious groups. Our campaign finance system means people who live in very segregated communities ate running campaigns. The GOP blatantly lies and are willing to use crime and dirty tricks. On our side belief is data analysis and micro targeting hurt us in 16 and 24. No one running these campaigns know what life is like in the projects or rural trailer parks. Reagan's and other GOP tax adjustments have hollowed out America ontop of the 60 years hollowing most precints ever since LBJ & Nixon raided the Social Security Trust fund to pay for the Vietnam war. That intensified wvee since Reagan.

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