parts that delivered on the headline.

use a Trump flag to harass about 60 peaceful pro-Palestine protesters without any Palestine flags on the streets of Amsterdam.

Because nothing says street fight like people standing around and looking bored as they descend down the half-empty escalator. Sure makes me rethink what is going on, not to mention what may or may not have happened here.

Just that hey, here is a pic of supporters of that soccer team holding dump signs so maybe we should be cautious of coming to conclusions at this point but somehow you just missed that point. Its almost like you are in a bubble of defending any Israeli no matter what they do. Talking about that, can you say that the Israeli citizens that attacked food trucks going into gaza were wrong? Obviously you can. Its not like the Israelis overwhelming support dump https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-israelis-massively-favor-trump-over-harris-in-us-election/. over Harris. Interesting stuff you know.

Ummm... I never said you said that.

I only said that the silly picture you posted did not make me rethink what is going on there a bit, or at all, or be a little open to what may have happened. Because the picture you posted does not reflect a single bit of what may or may not have happened, regardless of what you think.

You may think that maybe you should be cautious over a silly photo, but I think "we" should be far more cautious over a violent antisemitic attack depicted on many pictures taken at the scene of the crime.

It is just that I prefer to remain in the bubble of factual evidence rather than breaking free of this bubble on the basis of ridiculous innuendo.

Note that I am totally ignoring your transparent attempt to deflect from the subject at hand.

beating the shit out of the racist Israeli soccer hooligans, and how only the aforementioned hooligans ended up in a hospital.

Makes me wonder who exactly the violent racist hooligans are in this story and who is trying to get away with shameless spin.

And it was pretty well planned. Can I use the P word or will it get twisted around back on the Jewish Crime victims? Because that looked like a Pogrom to me.

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While I don't dismiss the fascist streak in the Trump-supporting Israeli right wingers, and with all due respect to Mr Cassif, there was no shortage of fascists in Amsterdam, as the events in question show, before a single Israeli soccer fan arrived there.

It just so turns out that some fascists are more violent, more bigoted, more numerous and more organized, and more of an imminent and permanent threat than others. And even Mr Cassif must realize, despite his awkward display of both-sideism on social media, that the law makes a distinction between speech and physical violence.

The content and the context of his tweet do not change the facts of the crimes one bit.

in the Knesset right now .....thats one less than Otzma Yehudit .

Who holds all the power and why ??

We that bravely call ourselves The Democrats (Israel) hold only 4.

There used to be a time, if I recall correctly, when the Labor Party held the majority of Knesset seats and was the only party in history able to form a government without forming coalitions.

This changed when Israel's politics went global, and this might explain why the right wingers took over and how. The right wingers in Israel get enormous support, and not just financial, mostly from the right wing religious zealots, Jewish and Christian, in the US, Europe and elsewhere.

Conversely, Israel's left not only gets no support globally, but the traditional antisemitic elements in the West and the newly formed antisemitic elements in the Global South not only ignore Israel's left, but make no distinction between the left and the right, or the religious and the secular segments of Israeli society, and actively demonize both with equally extreme prejudice. Since these activities come largely from the supposedly enlightened Western progressives, the popular resentments within Israel increasingly, and naturally, trend against Israel's secular democrats who are seen as the allies of those who openly despise and undermine Israel as a whole.

The Israeli right wingers could not have taken over Israel without the active assistance, in equal measure, from both the global right wingers and the global left wingers outside Israel.

Edited to add: to me as a Jew, political and ideological affiliation is very important, and my presence on this site makes clear of what it is, but it is secondary to resisting antisemitism in all its forms. The history of my people taught me this lesson.

Did any Western leader condemn that racist, hateful chant?

"Let IDF win, we will f*** the Arabs. Ole, ole, ole. In Gaza there’s no schooling, there’s no children left there.”

In Israel, this is a popular football chant. Shouted with glee and joy.

All very normal and cool. Absolutely.

Bring that chant to Europe, however, and Israelis will see a different reaction.

But it's all just anti-Semitism, right?

Vs 66% for Trump.

Among Likud supporters, it's 93-1 in favour of Trump. A cult.

Better call all Democrats, they will be very upset about this.

Or we could all just switch sides, to maintain our perfect score of always siding with Israel. Yeah, that's the ticket.

WAR OF TERROR
As Borat once said.
I mean fuck hamas, but really? Israelis support dump. Their govt supports dump. At this point cant we say that hey, you are really not our friends and are acting in a very uh, non-american way so we wont support you also? hamas very bad, you not good also?

You just overwhelmingly voted Donald Trump in as next President

And,,,,, I wont support dump, his administration and his actions unlike the majority of Israel.

being upset with what voting Arab Americans think?

And why are you so upset over the former and not the latter?

I'm Jewish and lived on Long Island and still have ties there. Do you know how many Jewish people voted for trump because they think Biden and Harris are antisemites and anti-Israel? Lots. Fucking stupid asses.

I am also Jewish and still live on Long Island. And, since we are counting fucking stupid asses, I know exactly how many Jewish people voted for Trump: 22%. 78% of Jewish American voters voted for Harris. I believe this is the highest ratio of Harris voters among America's ethnic minorities.

Compare this to fewer than 50% of Muslim Americans voting for Harris.

This is not news to me, but it may be to you.

what non-voting Israelis 5000 miles away think of Trump and the American Muslims actually voting for Trump?

Especially when we seem to agree that 22% of American Jews and, by analogy, over 50% of America's Muslims are fucking stupid asses.

Bunch of fucking losers.

And, unlike "Israel", they voted their preferences.

Surely you had thoughts on that when you posted that "Israel" likes Trump, no?

It was a direct question to you, are you incapable of answering it? Its a simple thing, there was even a ? involved. That should have let you know that you should answer but instead you deflected like Ted Cruz on an storm day.

Good night!

The Jewish American vote is the same as always, but the Arab and Muslim vote changed because of foreign policy issues. That seems short sighted on the part of those communities.

And if it wasn't I would be upset if it were not so but the numbers coming out now are inconclusive. Of course the conversation is not about American jews or even about American Muslims but about the members of the Jewish nation and who they support. Dump is who they support by a wide margin and you want to keep defending them for whatever reason. Why you want to keep supporting a dump supporting nation is beyond me. They are a dump supporting nation, You cant argue against that. That should make you at least cautious about the whole situation but here you are pushing forward with your support. Wholeheartedly behind a nation that supports dump. 2 countries can be wrong you know.

Israeli soccer team in Amsterdam!

But for some reason you keep deflecting from what the conversation is about.

It's way past my bed time. I don't want to get in trouble, so I am giong to have to respond to your deflections with wishing you sweet dreams.

Good night.

You just going to let all that slide away like it didn't happen? Not even address that?

that there were as many Western leader condemning that racist, hateful chant as there were Western leaders condemning chants like "now you know how it feels like" shouted with glee and joy as the violent mobs were beating the shit out of people lying on the ground.

Now that's a different reaction, allright! And you seem to relish the thought of it.

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It’s a mystery for the ages.

Must have been self-inflicted in the course of tearing down Palestinian flags and racist chants.

Or else, that assailed cab driver has some mad knife handling skills and is wasting his talents on driving a cab.

for their injuries at a hospital; they’ve since been released. Forty people were fined for public disturbance, 10 were cited for vandalism, and the four people remaining in custody atm will be tried for public violence. The news articles I found didn’t break those numbers down further in terms of country of residence.

According to information provided to Dutch law enforcement and an investigation by a Dutch newspaper, the attack was coordinated via the Telegram social media platform as a "Jew Hunt". A video circulating on social media shows a man screaming "I am not Jewish" in response to being repeatedly kicked. The Mayor of Amsterdam stated in a press conference that the assailants actively sought out Israeli fans.

But what to they know?

The other 20 injured were locals.

Interesting.

The hooligans are on video picking up rocks, sticks, and pipes as they made their way into the city center following the match.

This Amsterdammer teen journalist actually does a really good job of covering things in real-time; you might have to turn on English subtitles, though:

I saw it yesterday, glad you posted it.

This kid is amazing. As he says, he was the only "media" there, where the Maccabi hooligans were stealing metal pipes, wood boards and throwing them at cop cars and people, donning masks (!) and rioting in the streets.

The cops didn't do much, not much presence, though a couple of cars followed them. Not sure if that was before or after the thugs threw the metal rods at them.

Eventually the police surrounded about 100 of the Maccabi fans but it's not clear if any arrests were made.

There is also the Dutch journalist whose video of Maccabi fans rioting was falsely used by Western media as an example of local pro-Palestinians rioting!

So reality gets turned on its head again by the Western MSM when it doesn't fit the Israeli narrative of "good vs evil" and victimhood.

But this kid puts CNN, BBC and all the other pro-Israeli international media to shame. He does real journalism while they are stenographers and propagandists for the narrative they prefer and work "hard" to maintain.

A few points:

1. Maccabi Tel Aviv has perhaps the most disgusting racist ultras in European competition - Anyone who disputes this doesn't really understand ultra culture and shouldn't be taken seriously. Having the most racist ultras in Euro competition is also a very high bar, because you're going up against Lazio, AZ Alkmaar, and pretty much any team's ultras based in the former Yugoslavia. Hell, Ajax gets honorable mention in that table. Maccabi Tel Aviv are up there with the absolute worst. They are notorious for it.

2. Ultras have to be distinguished from ordinary "fans" (we call them supporters). Ultras (or what some would call "hooligans" ) are very nearly organized paramilitaries at this point. Ordinary fans wear kits and scarves and are usually relatively clueless about the ultra conflicts in the offing.

When I first heard this story, I thought it was about fights between Ajax ultras and Maccabi Tel Avi ultras, primarily because both groups are up for it and both are extremely violent. It was notable that several Israeli officials insisted that this wasn't a story about what they called "supporter culture," a euphemism for ultra crime and fighting. I wasn't so sure.

It seems like what happened here is hard to explain unless groups 1 and 2 are distinguished and given their own stories. I have no doubt that the Maccabi Tel Aviv ultras were acting like racist asshats in Amsterdam. I also think that both Tel Aviv ultras AND ordinary fans were drawn into the fight. The attacks of group 1 do not, of course, justify the attacks on group 2. It's kind of a metaphor in that way, no? Anyway, this is where a correct and reasonable discussion of what happened can start.

The club must be banned along with its violent fans

Don’t blame them for thinking they are above the law.
War crimes and genocide continue with Western complicity.

…then completely turned the story around to imply that the hooligans who started everything were actually the victims.

when they found out that the hooligans were actually the victims.

Shame on them. What kind of journalists are they when they can't go on with false reporting after it is proven to be false?

No integrity, dammit.

The media is making the Maccabi hooligans out to be the victims when they are anything but.

They too are making the Maccabi hooligans out to be the victims.

And so do the Amsterdam law enforcement authorities.

But what do they know?

Tribalism holds sway in face of thousands of years of evidence.

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known to have collaborated with the Nazis in WWII, so take from that what you will.

People post here from all sorts of publications, including communist and marxist outlets.

If the discussion board wants to better define sourcing I will be all in on that.

Can't wait.

Generally Marxists and Communists are on the left in the US.

ETA: The Communist Party USA is to the left of the Democratic Party.

Any source is allowed if the content is consistent with the "values of DU".

The X post in question is exposing bigotry and racism, I think that's consistent with Democratic values. YMMV.

Trying to memory hole events where people are on video chanting racist slogans, singing racist songs, and committing acts of vandalism about and against Arabs, no.

YMMV.

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and yes im calling it a steal. But the racists on both sides have their free reign to be out in the open. Free pass stamped by Trump

It never stays that way.

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What else do you think he was going to say?

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New testimony from the horrifying pogrom in Amsterdam the other night.

Yaheli, a 14-year-old Jewish boy, along with his grandfather, ran in fear for their lives as they were chased down in Amsterdam after the soccer game.

While fleeing, they picked up a couple of sticks from the ground for self-defense.

Suddenly, two Dutch police cars arrived and stopped nearby. The officers immediately became aggressive without allowing them to explain that they were holding the sticks for self-defense.

The Dutch police ordered them to lie on the ground, then started kicking them, including the 14-year-old boy.

Afterwards, they were put into a police car to be driven to their hotel, where they noticed "Free Palestine" stickers inside the vehicle.

The Dutch police knew they were Jewish, which is why they were aggressive, attacked them, and kicked them on the ground.

They were aware of what had been going on all along.

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