Huckabee: "There is no West Bank. There are no Palestinians."

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Jillsie is collecting lots of money from Leon and Pooty right about now.

Actually DO anything in off election years or just show up every 3 1/2 years to take away vote from Democrats. I mean, she's been doing this for how many years now? Do the people who vote for her EVER catch on?

…and a passel of Kremlin bigwigs. I’m sure you’ve seen the photo — Jill looks unbelievably self-satisfied, and I don’t think it was the borscht.

In any case, when she shows up to “run for president” it’s always very strategically targeted to maximize damage to the Democrat. She is not, repeat not, interested in my California vote. She is interested in swing districts that weigh heavily in the Electoral College.

Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote, lost at least one state’s Electoral College cache by the number of votes Jill Stein got. This time around Jill worked over the Muslim immigrant population of Dearborn MI, and they voted — for her, or Uncommitted, or for Trump — but not for Kamala.

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21st century genocide on a large scale. Who is going to stop them, the UN?

From what I'm reading here, they are losing the ONLY friends they have. I sure don't see any of the Gazan neighbors stepping up with weapons, troops or money for them. I honestly can't imagine behaving in a more destructive manner than from the comfort of their own homes, those who profess to care about their plight wasting their vote the way they did. Has anyone checked with the actual Gazans about how they feel about that?

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How long will this feel good for them? I was sympathetic to their cause but now f'em.

weaknesses in Israeli defense to Putin's boy, who then turned it over to Hamas.

Disgusting.

For Palestinians and kin, Trump is not the Hitler-figure.

You can figure it out.

Pretty short memories if they don't remember the Muslim bans Etc

Instead of asking why it was allowed to get so bad or why they would think that.

Self-reflection should be a thing but alas...

Our very democracy might be at stake, I blame everyone who helped make that happen.

Though they didn't actually decide the election.

It's selective blame, a great opportunity to rally the troops to your cause.

Here's a thought. Perhaps the Gaza war had an impact on the no-votes, on voter turnout, much more than the ineffective Muslim protest vote.

But I expect howls of outrage on anyone raising it. Easier to blame the Muslims.

But Muslims should know better from his last time in office- Muslim bans, he moved the embassy to Jerusalem Etc he'll give a green light to anything Netanyahu wants to do... but gosh they really showed Harris didn't they, won't come back to bite them at all said no one ever

or woefully ignorant. He just named an ambassador to Israel that thinks there is no such thing as a Palestinian. Well done.

You played yourselves by not listening and thinking for yourself.

Yeah. Old adage: Things done in spite never turn out right.

Basic tenants of the codependent relationship. Let them find their personal rock bottom. Once they do, they might come around. Until then, don’t help!

In the same way we shouldn't make an effort to rescue Latinos who did the same thing that Arab-Americans did!

They voted for Trump because they liked his ideas. Same as white people. Most don't have a connection to immigrants. If they don't like his policies, they will switch in 2028. Also abortion is a major issue. A major factor is high prices. They blamed Biden. Most support Trump's immigration policies. They support Greg Abbott's tactics.

Trump will pose new challenges for immigrants. However, very few of his voters will be affected by his policies. His Latino voters don't want "Communist Venezuelans" to get a free pass, while Mexicans are not eligible for asylum. Mexicans need to either have alot of money, work visa, or cross illegally to get in the US. Yet Venezuelans are automatically admitted.

the Dept of Education? Revenge on Patriots? Etc Etc.. Horrifying list goes on and on.

I read the men liked his fucking Machismo.

People watch too.much TV and they aren't reality based.

"What?? Social Security??? You're gonna get rid of what??"

Latinos also supported GW Bush, until they didn't.

Hello? Tariffs and mass deportations will crash the US economy.

We're all going to feel the pain when we enter another recession due to Trump's policies.

Anyone who doesn't understand that is not thinking.

Maybe they will learn if they actually suffer consequences for their actions. They never had before

Now they are surprised to see it burn.

(Victory at unsustainable cost.)

He's been quite clear about what he plans to do.

Political suicide bombers need to remain in the blast radius, not be helped.

Burn motherfuckers burn!

You set off the bomb!

Now reap the most biter harvest imaginable!!!

Queue Nelson...HAHA!

But not with you.

And that's why I can't understand how these people could be so naive. Or stupid.

I hate to put an ethnic group into a box and judge, but it seems Arab Americans, for the most part, don't understand democracy. It's foreign to them, so when they start to feel liberty like they've never felt it before, they become demanding, thinking their voices deserve to be heard, and responded to immediately. I've seen this in other Palestinian protests. They seem to have little understanding of, or patience for, negotiation.

They were told that voting for Stein or Trump would only lead to the continued destruction of Gaza, that it would get worse, and that in vengeful retribution, Trump will denaturalize as many people in Dearborn as he can, and send them back to where they came from.

"Thinking their voices need to be heard....immediately".

They've been asking to stop the genocide of their people for 13 months. I don't think that was too much to ask and I don't think they displayed arrogance or entitlement in just asking.

Every comment on this thread, even ones like yours that express sympathy for Gaza, let alone the ones brimming with anticipatory schadenfreud - reveal a shocking attitude of demeaning and looking down on that ethnic group.

It should be a simple matter of putting yourself in their shoes and asking yourself what you would have done if your people, your family were being slaughtered. Would YOU support the party funding the slaughter and allowing the starvation? Could you - is that even humanly possible?

We could withdraw all aid from Israel, which would result in a lot of bad things. None of our allies would ever trust us again, as we abandoned an ally. Without US support, one of two things would happen. One is the complete annihilation of Israel and the deaths of millions of Israelis, including Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews and others. Or, Israel might decide the time has come to use their nukes.

Either option is a catastrophe on unprecedented levels. Literally a nuclear WWIII.

So yes, what the protesters demanded is unreasonable. Biden and Harris were working day and night to force a reasonable solution. Trump will not do that.

That's a far step from withdrawing all funding, yet even that bare minimum was not even tried. Come on, be real.

And all Israel would have had to do was adhere to international and humanitarian law. But that would have been too much to ask, right? So it never was.

Nothing screams Palestinian lives are cheap than that sin of omission covering up for all Israel's sins of commission.

Besides, I don't think that holding an ally to account is abandoning them. It's standing up for your own avowed values and principles. How silly of Palestinians and their kith and kin to ask.

Downright arrogant and uppity.

I think they know more than we know. I don't think they are supportive of genocide. I trust them to do whatever they could to stop the deaths.

that YOU think are important. So tell me how you feel about the Gazan leadership continually flouting those laws, both inside and outside their borders (honor killings, throwing gays off roofs, forcing women to cover their bodies). Israel should fight with one hand tied behind their back because heaven forbid we offend hamas, hezbollah and the rest of the terrorist organizations that have been fighting to destroy Israel since 1948. I know it's inconvenient to recognize hamas was ELECTED by their people but those are the facts. I'm sure the Gazans are thrilled that people who profess to care about them have tossed them aside to "teach us a lesson" and made it so those who quite literally hate them when they give them a thought at all have the power to tell bibi to do whatever he wants. Brilliant strategy,

It's ok to kill and starve people because over a decade ago they elected bad people?

And it's the fault of their kin in America that they will continue to be killed and starved?

I'm tired of this exchange.

I live in the REAL world where actions have consequences. Voting in a terrorist organization has consequences. Aiding them in housing hostages has consequences. 75 years of continually missing opportunities has consequences. Just how many do-overs do people deserve? When will they realize that the weaker party doesn't get to dictate terms. They need to realize until they get rid of hamas, sit down and negotiate with Israel - they get nothing. Until then, more will suffer, more will die - and it's ENTIRELY the fault of hamas. It appears the days of trying to get people to feel guilty for the plight of the Palestinians is over. It's hard to feel sorry for people that do nothing to help themselves.

just to satisfy protesters. What a ridiculous notion. I see you're having a real problem with those who have no desire to reward bad behavior (voting for a rapist). Well, too bad.

not limited to Arabs...lots of Israelis and Iranians too.

Turkey, through forced self secularisation about a hundred years ago, seems to have put some distance between itself and religious fury.

Christians engaged in this too. Probably from lack of infrastructure and clan based governance more than anything. No one trusted no one because there just wasn't a functional government. I guess you could compare it to Librtarianism

As you are Armenian, my apologies if I was too congratulatry of the Turks.

What are they gonna do?
Great aunt killed by neighbor kid. (Great aunt was a toddler)
2ggf swindled out of his property
3ggf told to go down a hole to get gold. He dies.
No one can do anything, except take matters into their own hands. Turkish cops won't do anything

That was only one side! All this just breeds more clannish behavior and endogamy. (Trust no one and marry your relatives)

Who at least was trying to make things better. Not the one who was going to surrender unconditionally to Netanyahu.

Therein lies the rub. Muslims/Arabs lost trust after 13 months of watching and learning. I can't blame them, though I know many do. It's their lived experience, not ours.

Local Imams endorsed Harris.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/kamala-harris/muslim-faith-leaders-endorse-kamala-harris-rcna174190

So disagree, this not on the democrats, funding and allowing the war & starvation, Israel is and has always been an American ally. Both parties supported Israel. Blame need to be put on Hamas that started this atrocity. If anything, the republicans used everyone

Or it is Gaza not as important to them as "making a statement" ?

Your question implies that the motive is vengeance as opposed to a desire to see the end of Gaza's suffering. Do you consider all protest votes vengeful or just those of this ethnic/religious group?

Was the vote irrational and self-defeating? Largely. Did it cost the election? I haven't seen proof that it has. But to us, their vote is so infuriating that we are allowing fantasies of worse retribution that verges on schadenfreud - to let off steam. Turning our backs on our own values in the process. I find that almost as intolerable as what I have witnessed in Gaza.

But we can't know what it's like to have your people's lives be considered cheap and worth less than that of others. It must be pure anguish to watch that being played out and know that your country could stop it and, from your perspective, refuses to do so.

Reason, logic and self-interest fall to the wayside in those circumstances. Talk of parking lots, WWIII, FAFO and scary Trump are not going to penetrate when you think the worst has already happened and you are treated like second-class citizens anyway. Your voice and need to be heard and responded to is ignored.

Their lived experience, not ours. So I try not to judge, nor will I have satisfaction when even worse befalls them. It's an awful tragedy and it should not have been allowed to happen. And yes, there are consequences to that too.

They wanted to punish Democrats.

Would you support Evangelical Christians doing something this?

Most of them are Lebanese, not Palestinian.

Is your family from the ME? Mine came from Turkey. I can tell you this is how it is. The Arab-Israelis did thus to punish Shimon Peres in 1996. Guess who they got? Bibi for 30 years.
Don't give me that sob story. They know what they are doing. They have done it before. Iraqis also boycott elections with bad results. People who aren't facing genocide do it "punish people". It goes nowhere and it gets crappy people elected.

"Sob stories".

I'll be sure not to try to widen your perspective in future. Your views about "them" are baked-in.

elections have consequences...that's Democracy 101..Arab Americans sold Gaza down the river.....they did more to defeat Hamas and derail a two state solution than the "genocidial Dems" could have possibly imagined....80% of Jews voted for Harris..their decades long social justice bond with Black Americans drove that....plenty of Black folks feel betrayed by what happened in the Free Palestine movement....the dumbest man on the planet, DJT, played their hatred right into a dictatorship.....wtf

This will include both those whose motives was vengeance as well as those having a desire to see the end of Gaza's suffering.

And millions more who will be suffering because of not Gaza. It wasn't just self-defeating, it was defeating to additional millions far closer to home.

Understandably, many people are pissed at their in-your-face act of contempt for their fellow citizens. Schadenfreude is a rather befitting reaction from those who are about to experience massive suffering because of their narrow-mindedness, whatever you choose to attribute it to.

Netenyahu and TFG were working together to not do anything positive …
Ya think?

So why put in what is killing you?

To hard to comprehend the deal … just like poppy bush made for Raygun …

So sorry that doing the right thing is so hard.

The Muslim vote did not cost us the election.

The majority voted for Stein, not Trump.

It was not Trump who made the UN Ambassador veto three (?) ceasefire proposals at the UN, refused to put conditions on US funding despite Israel flouting of all laws of war and humanity, let red lines disappear under bloody mangled bodies and on and on and on. Perhaps you have not been following events closely.

I do think Trump and Bibi have been in cahoots since their meeting in July and hence no ceasefire and the war-mongering. By then, though, Gaza was rubble and its children destroyed by malnutrition, disease and trauma.

Evil was done under our noses, and with our weapons. That had consequences.

Blaming the ineffective Muslim protest vote is just more of head-meet-sand with a good dose of Muslim-bashing thrown in for good measure.

Vote for Jill stein

that we would come with bent knee and then protect Palestine to our contrite last, you probably should have asked because the actual response is your order has arrived, enjoy.

What possible alternative outcome was anticipated?

how they feel about being asked to continue to suffer while well fed, roof over their head Americans "teach us a lesson"? Because from my standpoint, you don't care about them any more than anyone else seems to.

I've been fighting to end the war for over a year now. If you had been here, you would know.

I would not use the word "care" when it comes to Palestinians, I don't think they've felt very cared for since 1948 or before, but especially in the last 13 months.

Perhaps you've cared, and worked diligently for decades to try to end their suffering.

If not, then insert the saying about glass houses here.

when they could have had a state and went to war instead. Perhaps they thought those same countries would come to their aid now but nope - I don't see one of their neighbors sending money, arms or troops, do you? Why is that? Have you bothered to ask yourself that? The only people hitting the streets are people in the West and I hardly see any of them anymore and after this stunt, you will see far less. They have burned even more bridges. I frankly, in my 64 years on this planet seen a more self destructive group than the Palestinians. And why? Because they listen to people who just tell them to suffer a little longer and surely the world will come to their aid and rid them of those pesky Jews. And what has THAT gotten them? Just look at the conditions in Gaza to see the answer to that. Many people have started wondering why help people who do nothing to help themselves.

Over half their land to recently arrived immigrants. Perhaps we should try that here and see what happens. Maybe burn a few hundred native villages, launch a few dozen massacres and take possession of the homes and lands they fled. Then claim to be the victims when their kin come to their aid.

Not gonna argue the history of the Nakba beyond this. Everyone has access to a good library.

The neighbours don't come to their aid now? Yes, a favoured way to throw shade in the never-ending quest to belittle, demonize and blame. Ignoring the reality of geopolitics and the kow-towing to the U.S. by the despots in the region who do not represent the views of their people. Nothing new. But hey, even bone-saw MBS is now saying Israel is committing genocide so that's something.

"Many people have started wondering..." I think they have indeed started wondering about things they were blind to before, but not the things you think.

Have a good day.

who think the Palestinians should suffer more, never sit at the negotiating table, never recognize they're the weaker party who will get NOTHING without negotiating and sooner or later the soft headed kids buying hamas scarves on Amazon and protesting will be able to deliver them a state. Wow

And Saudi Arabia is STILL working with Israel, doing business with Israel and looking for a way to do that publicly the way the gulf nations now are (along with Egypt and Jordan) while tossing a few WORDS (no actions) your way to continue to keep their own people from getting out of hand. It's failed for over 75 years but any day now......And this is the stupidity you want the left to have sympathy for.

You want an end to the war? Tell hamas to release ALL the hostages, lay down their arms, give up power and allow elections. The days of Israel continuing to allow hamas, hezbollah and ij to continue lobbing rockets and missiles into Israel are over. Only one side is going to come out victorious here and I'll be putting my money on the one with money, education and nukes.

That's one reason the ME is f'dd up. I'm sure they understand Democrscy because they are US citizens.
They tried the jerk (send a message) route. Maybe they were convinced Ksmala would win? They were warned that Democracy was on the line.

The Arab Israelis did this and instead of Peres, they got Bibi. That was 30 years ago. They wanted to give Peres a lesson, so they get Bibi for 30 years.

Kushner Arms has no population, it has guests and employees.

... the West Bank of each/every/all Palestinians. Then allow Jewish Settlers to confiscate all the Palestinian land - many held as family homesteads for centuries.

Djt and Huckabee will cheerfully condone and enthusiastically green light the Jewish taking of West Bank lands.

He showed you the first time The second time is on you.

“Don’t Blame Me. I Voted for Kamala “

I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re close to or already in production.

There are no palestinians.... That's what he said.

Remember that people like Pompeo, Pence, and Huckabee are end timers and are hoping that the felon will strat WW3 and bring on the rapture sooner.

They literally want us all to die so that they think they will go to heaven. They are going to be disappointed

Because right-wingnuts have a bad habit of learning the hard way when it's too damn late.

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She was (probably still is) an outspoken opponent of Biden’s actions concerning Gaza. She apparently did much better than Harris among voters in Dearborn.

Maybe she can explain

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/02/rashida-tlaib-decline-endorsement-kamala-harris