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VMA131Marine

(4,646 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 06:55 PM Nov 13

Donald Trump is a lame duck president.

There is a reason why there’s only been one president to serve non-consecutive terms before Trump. Trump is the only person to try it since Grover Cleveland and that’s because he will come in as a lame duck. The president’s party always loses seats at the midterms and 2026 will be no exception. Trump has less than two years to get any kind of agenda passed and with the very slimmest of margins in the House at best.
But the reason ousted one term Presidents don’t try again is because of the two term limit. That wasn’t in place for Cleveland; he could have run for a third term so he was not a de facto lame duck. Trump should have backed someone who would have carried out his agenda, but his ego wouldn’t allow it. In the second half of his term, Republicans in Congress are going to be too busy jockeying for advantage in the 2028 presidential race or to save their seats to get much done. Democrats just have to create obstructions for the worst of his impulses until 2026. As someone on MSNBC pointed out tonight, smart presidents nominate people who will easily be confirmed because it saves a lot of time. Gaetz’ nomination is going to be a circus and likely so will Gabbard’s and Hegseth’s because they are clearly unqualified.

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Donald Trump is a lame duck president. (Original Post) VMA131Marine Nov 13 OP
there will be no limit. Think that's a joke? Trump doesn't: B.See Nov 13 #1
A third term would require repeal of the 22nd Amendment VMA131Marine Nov 13 #5
seven more states than those that went red just a week ago. B.See Nov 13 #14
Gee, only 7 more states? Mountainguy Thursday #41
THANK you VMA131.... democratsruletheday Nov 13 #15
Great post orangecrush Nov 13 #17
Staying past 2028? Glorro Thursday #27
Welcome to DU Marthe48 Thursday #35
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #39
This may just sway me on the 22nd Amendment. roamer65 Nov 13 #6
But JD Vance would not be a lame duck TexasBushwhacker Nov 13 #2
There will be a real GOP primary in 2028 VMA131Marine Nov 13 #3
There won't be a primary Tickle Nov 13 #9
You're making the assumption that there will still be a good economy VMA131Marine Nov 13 #12
Never Meadowoak Nov 13 #13
I would disagree... Vogon_Glory Thursday #33
That was 12 years of the worst economy in my Meadowoak Thursday #37
This! Dem4life1234 Thursday #25
And if Vance serves less than 2 years of tfg's term he can have 10 years as pres. prodigitalson Nov 13 #7
Exactly TexasBushwhacker Nov 13 #18
You think he's going to want to leave after 4 years? Nt Tommy Carcetti Nov 13 #4
He's not going to have a choice VMA131Marine Nov 13 #11
Yes, and he continues to push the envelope on many levels. Tommy Carcetti Thursday #21
I don't think he'll make it for four years. Intractable Nov 13 #19
I think he might cede certain day to day decision making to Vance... Tommy Carcetti Thursday #20
This! He's a damn near morbidly obese old man at about 80 with anger issues Dem4life1234 Thursday #26
His boredom... Blue_Roses Thursday #29
He'll likely die this term Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Thursday #22
He may not want to go but he might be forced out Vogon_Glory Thursday #34
We are talking about a guy just 4 years ago who Emile Nov 13 #8
Trump can't stop the 2028 election from happening VMA131Marine Nov 13 #10
After another 4 years of Trump I fear our government will be unrecognizable. Emile Thursday #31
We keep saying "he can't" when he's already proved that he can. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #36
Lol Mountainguy Thursday #42
No, what their twisted logic says..... BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #43
It's quite difficult to tease that interpretation VMA131Marine Thursday #44
I realize it's pretty cut and dry. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #45
Mother Nature may Blue_Roses Thursday #30
I know my fingers are crossed. They showed his plane Emile Thursday #32
He doesnt give a shit Johonny Nov 13 #16
Yeah, I can dig it ThePartyThatListens Thursday #23
Thank-you and well said! Blue_Roses Thursday #24
There won't be any circus around these nominations. He's telegraphed that they're going in via recess appointments. CincyDem Thursday #28
I find it cute than some think that Trump and republicans care about the Constitution Darwins_Retriever Thursday #38
Donald Trump is a limp dick president. milestogo Thursday #40

VMA131Marine

(4,646 posts)
5. A third term would require repeal of the 22nd Amendment
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 13

It takes 38 states to do that. It’s not happening.

B.See

(3,583 posts)
14. seven more states than those that went red just a week ago.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:25 PM
Nov 13

and that's before full control of all three branches of government.

I sure hope it's not happening. But I've seen plenty of "not happening" of late, that already has.

Mountainguy

(981 posts)
41. Gee, only 7 more states?
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 11:56 AM
Thursday

Is that all?

Also nevermind that not even all of the state he got have R controlled legislature or governors that would need to be on board.


The fatalism on this board is way overblown.

democratsruletheday

(1,226 posts)
15. THANK you VMA131....
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:58 PM
Nov 13

it takes a Marine to talk some of the chicken littles down off their perch. My GOD people, get a GD grip. He isn't staying past '28 and we WILL have mid term elections to neuter his sorry ass in '26. Damn folks, have some courage fer crissakes. It's cringe worthy some of your weakness

Glorro

(2 posts)
27. Staying past 2028?
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:47 AM
Thursday

Trump will not be around in 2028. Why do you think he refused to let anyone see his medical records?! We have to worry about Vance, he is more evil than Trump because his brain still functions!

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,423 posts)
39. Welcome to DU
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 11:32 AM
Thursday

I also doubt that we need to worry much about trump running for a third term given his declining physical condition

roamer65

(37,154 posts)
6. This may just sway me on the 22nd Amendment.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 13

I’ve been against it, but there would be no way 38 states ratify its repeal.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,667 posts)
2. But JD Vance would not be a lame duck
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:06 PM
Nov 13

Trump will get be removed from office somehow, maybe even in the first year. Vance will take his place. Then all hell will really break loose.

VMA131Marine

(4,646 posts)
12. You're making the assumption that there will still be a good economy
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:17 PM
Nov 13

and a general lack of chaos. When has that ever happened at the end of a Republican presidency.

Vogon_Glory

(9,568 posts)
33. I would disagree...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:10 AM
Thursday

The economy wasn’t that bad between the end of Ronnie’s second term and the first part of Daddy Bush’s term in office. Of course that was when Club Pachyderm still had some competent people who actually believed in governing. And that was over thirty five years ago.

And before you all pitch a fit, I didn’t say here-and-now, I said thirty five years ago. THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO. Way back when, not today. Half a lifetime ago. Ronald Reagan is dead and gone. George HW Bush is dead and gone.

That style of Republican governing is out of fashion. Dead. Gone. Over. And after watching the current incarnation of the Republican Party, it’s NEVER coming back, and only grifters, liars, and fools say it will and only chumps, suckers, and the corporate news media believe them.

Meadowoak

(6,215 posts)
37. That was 12 years of the worst economy in my
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:37 AM
Thursday

Lifetime. Although out of those 12 years of hell, there was a little bright spot in the election year, 1988.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,667 posts)
18. Exactly
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 09:36 PM
Nov 13

The one thing that may keep Trump in office the entire term is that he probably has dirt on plenty of people. That's how he got Jerry Falwell Jr to endorse him in 2016 instead of Ted Cruz. Trump knew about JFJr liking to watch his wife have sex with other men and Michael Cohen helped to get back some "compromising" photos of Falwell's wife.

VMA131Marine

(4,646 posts)
11. He's not going to have a choice
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:15 PM
Nov 13

If he tries to hold onto power by force then we are in absolutely uncharted territory where nothing is off the table including the breakup of the Union.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,545 posts)
21. Yes, and he continues to push the envelope on many levels.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:00 AM
Thursday

And he has already “joked” about not wanting to limit himself to 2 terms, so I’m not convinced that he’s not plotting to stick around, if only for power and prestige of the office, if not also the immunity.

Intractable

(541 posts)
19. I don't think he'll make it for four years.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 09:42 PM
Nov 13

Between his cognitive decline and boredom, I think he'll quit at some point and leave JD in charge.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,545 posts)
20. I think he might cede certain day to day decision making to Vance...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:57 AM
Thursday

…but not the actual Presidential title.

His ego’s too big, and his newly conferred Presidential immunity’s too enticing.

I think the only way he leaves is in a body bag.

Blue_Roses

(13,394 posts)
29. His boredom...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:51 AM
Thursday

This! The man can't even stay on message looking at the teleprompter. His aides have to tell him what's next, even if it's to just go to the bathroom.

And his mental health is declining rapidly. The office of the president ages a person.

Vogon_Glory

(9,568 posts)
34. He may not want to go but he might be forced out
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:13 AM
Thursday

I really don’t think he’s got enough upstairs to successfully run in 2028.

Emile

(29,785 posts)
8. We are talking about a guy just 4 years ago who
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 13

staged and orchestrated an insurrection against the United States. He will leave when he is good and ready.

VMA131Marine

(4,646 posts)
10. Trump can't stop the 2028 election from happening
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 07:14 PM
Nov 13

And the U.S. military is not nearly large enough to enforce an (unconstitutional) order to stop it. If he’s alive in 2028, he can only hold office by force and there will be a lot of resistance.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,000 posts)
36. We keep saying "he can't" when he's already proved that he can.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:30 AM
Thursday

And be “he” we really mean “they”, the puppetmasters behind all this. They’re already looking to reinterpret the 22nd amendment to mean consecutive terms and with this Supreme Court, who’s to stop them?

We’re in much bigger trouble than the considerable amount people already expect.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,000 posts)
43. No, what their twisted logic says.....
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:04 PM
Thursday

Is that if you’ve been elected twice in a row, you can’t run again. If you’ve been elected once and then lose, you can still be elected again and be eligible to go for two in a row.

VMA131Marine

(4,646 posts)
44. It's quite difficult to tease that interpretation
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 02:29 PM
Thursday

Out of the actual text:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Emile

(29,785 posts)
32. I know my fingers are crossed. They showed his plane
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:56 AM
Thursday

leaving Florida yesterday headed to DC. I thought to myself wouldn't it be nice if that plane never made it to DC.

Johonny

(22,038 posts)
16. He doesnt give a shit
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 08:06 PM
Nov 13

He got what he wanted already. He has complete immunity, will likely either have the fraud charges over turned or make so much money the fine will be chump change. He will be treated as a king by his loyal morons, be praised like Jesus and go off as a genius.

He got what he wanted. Of course, he has to somehow run the nation, but he never gave a crap about that last time around so I doubt he cares now.

CincyDem

(6,934 posts)
28. There won't be any circus around these nominations. He's telegraphed that they're going in via recess appointments.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:48 AM
Thursday

Republicans Senate will recess in late January and he’ll run all his nominees through it. No hearings, no Q&A from Dems…all legal.

Welcome to the political process in Trumpistan.

Darwins_Retriever

(941 posts)
38. I find it cute than some think that Trump and republicans care about the Constitution
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:07 AM
Thursday

He doesn't care about the Constitution. Nor do most Republicans. Our main hope is that he dies in office, his health to begin with was questionable, and it is getting worse. But then we are stuck with what's his name.

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