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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDonald Trump is a lame duck president.
There is a reason why theres only been one president to serve non-consecutive terms before Trump. Trump is the only person to try it since Grover Cleveland and thats because he will come in as a lame duck. The presidents party always loses seats at the midterms and 2026 will be no exception. Trump has less than two years to get any kind of agenda passed and with the very slimmest of margins in the House at best.
But the reason ousted one term Presidents dont try again is because of the two term limit. That wasnt in place for Cleveland; he could have run for a third term so he was not a de facto lame duck. Trump should have backed someone who would have carried out his agenda, but his ego wouldnt allow it. In the second half of his term, Republicans in Congress are going to be too busy jockeying for advantage in the 2028 presidential race or to save their seats to get much done. Democrats just have to create obstructions for the worst of his impulses until 2026. As someone on MSNBC pointed out tonight, smart presidents nominate people who will easily be confirmed because it saves a lot of time. Gaetz nomination is going to be a circus and likely so will Gabbards and Hegseths because they are clearly unqualified.
B.See
(3,583 posts)Donald Trump quips he can't run in 2028 unless Republicans 'do something' - USA Today
Trump Makes Chilling Joke About Staying in Power Forever - TNR Donald Trump isnt so sure about the two-term limit.
To quote a well known comedian: "These ain't jokes."
But then again, I told 'em so about this as well.
VMA131Marine
(4,646 posts)It takes 38 states to do that. Its not happening.
B.See
(3,583 posts)and that's before full control of all three branches of government.
I sure hope it's not happening. But I've seen plenty of "not happening" of late, that already has.
Mountainguy
(981 posts)Is that all?
Also nevermind that not even all of the state he got have R controlled legislature or governors that would need to be on board.
The fatalism on this board is way overblown.
democratsruletheday
(1,226 posts)it takes a Marine to talk some of the chicken littles down off their perch. My GOD people, get a GD grip. He isn't staying past '28 and we WILL have mid term elections to neuter his sorry ass in '26. Damn folks, have some courage fer crissakes. It's cringe worthy some of your weakness
orangecrush
(21,787 posts)Glorro
(2 posts)Trump will not be around in 2028. Why do you think he refused to let anyone see his medical records?! We have to worry about Vance, he is more evil than Trump because his brain still functions!
Marthe48
(18,994 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(154,423 posts)I also doubt that we need to worry much about trump running for a third term given his declining physical condition
roamer65
(37,154 posts)Ive been against it, but there would be no way 38 states ratify its repeal.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,667 posts)Trump will get be removed from office somehow, maybe even in the first year. Vance will take his place. Then all hell will really break loose.
VMA131Marine
(4,646 posts)and Vance will not survive.
Tickle
(3,069 posts)I bet Vance just goes into the general unscathed. Well that's debatable
VMA131Marine
(4,646 posts)and a general lack of chaos. When has that ever happened at the end of a Republican presidency.
Meadowoak
(6,215 posts)Vogon_Glory
(9,568 posts)The economy wasnt that bad between the end of Ronnies second term and the first part of Daddy Bushs term in office. Of course that was when Club Pachyderm still had some competent people who actually believed in governing. And that was over thirty five years ago.
And before you all pitch a fit, I didnt say here-and-now, I said thirty five years ago. THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO. Way back when, not today. Half a lifetime ago. Ronald Reagan is dead and gone. George HW Bush is dead and gone.
That style of Republican governing is out of fashion. Dead. Gone. Over. And after watching the current incarnation of the Republican Party, its NEVER coming back, and only grifters, liars, and fools say it will and only chumps, suckers, and the corporate news media believe them.
Meadowoak
(6,215 posts)Lifetime. Although out of those 12 years of hell, there was a little bright spot in the election year, 1988.
Dem4life1234
(1,521 posts)These vile things ruin economies.
prodigitalson
(2,884 posts)theoretically
TexasBushwhacker
(20,667 posts)The one thing that may keep Trump in office the entire term is that he probably has dirt on plenty of people. That's how he got Jerry Falwell Jr to endorse him in 2016 instead of Ted Cruz. Trump knew about JFJr liking to watch his wife have sex with other men and Michael Cohen helped to get back some "compromising" photos of Falwell's wife.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,545 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,646 posts)If he tries to hold onto power by force then we are in absolutely uncharted territory where nothing is off the table including the breakup of the Union.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,545 posts)And he has already joked about not wanting to limit himself to 2 terms, so Im not convinced that hes not plotting to stick around, if only for power and prestige of the office, if not also the immunity.
Intractable
(541 posts)Between his cognitive decline and boredom, I think he'll quit at some point and leave JD in charge.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,545 posts)
but not the actual Presidential title.
His egos too big, and his newly conferred Presidential immunitys too enticing.
I think the only way he leaves is in a body bag.
Dem4life1234
(1,521 posts)Time is finite with him.
Blue_Roses
(13,394 posts)This! The man can't even stay on message looking at the teleprompter. His aides have to tell him what's next, even if it's to just go to the bathroom.
And his mental health is declining rapidly. The office of the president ages a person.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(115,244 posts)If they don't 25thh amendment him.
Vogon_Glory
(9,568 posts)I really dont think hes got enough upstairs to successfully run in 2028.
Emile
(29,785 posts)staged and orchestrated an insurrection against the United States. He will leave when he is good and ready.
VMA131Marine
(4,646 posts)And the U.S. military is not nearly large enough to enforce an (unconstitutional) order to stop it. If hes alive in 2028, he can only hold office by force and there will be a lot of resistance.
Emile
(29,785 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,000 posts)And be he we really mean they, the puppetmasters behind all this. Theyre already looking to reinterpret the 22nd amendment to mean consecutive terms and with this Supreme Court, whos to stop them?
Were in much bigger trouble than the considerable amount people already expect.
Mountainguy
(981 posts)Ok, so if that became true we'd run Obama in 2028.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,000 posts)Is that if youve been elected twice in a row, you cant run again. If youve been elected once and then lose, you can still be elected again and be eligible to go for two in a row.
VMA131Marine
(4,646 posts)Out of the actual text:
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,000 posts)But that doesnt mean they wont try.
Blue_Roses
(13,394 posts)have other plans.
Emile
(29,785 posts)leaving Florida yesterday headed to DC. I thought to myself wouldn't it be nice if that plane never made it to DC.
Johonny
(22,038 posts)He got what he wanted already. He has complete immunity, will likely either have the fraud charges over turned or make so much money the fine will be chump change. He will be treated as a king by his loyal morons, be praised like Jesus and go off as a genius.
He got what he wanted. Of course, he has to somehow run the nation, but he never gave a crap about that last time around so I doubt he cares now.
ThePartyThatListens
(87 posts)Good perspective, but he's coming in with a lot of support.
Blue_Roses
(13,394 posts)CincyDem
(6,934 posts)Republicans Senate will recess in late January and hell run all his nominees through it. No hearings, no Q&A from Dems
all legal.
Welcome to the political process in Trumpistan.
Darwins_Retriever
(941 posts)He doesn't care about the Constitution. Nor do most Republicans. Our main hope is that he dies in office, his health to begin with was questionable, and it is getting worse. But then we are stuck with what's his name.
milestogo
(17,791 posts)That's what I see.