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(3,524 posts)malaise
(278,056 posts)I, like many of you, have been contemplating our predicament since election night.
We are in a losing war for our democracy and I'm not sure we collectively know who our true adversary is.
It's not the voting blocks...white women, Latinos, Gen X. It's not MAGA. It's not even Trump.
It's an insidious power that has been hiding in the shadows for some time...and when the stakes were at their highest in this election, it fully revealed itself.
The American Oligarchy.
They control our Supreme Court, much of Congress, and the flow of information to the masses via legacy, mainstream and social media.
They decide the national conversation, how to keep us at each other's throats while they continue to amass wealth and power completely unchecked.
They put their thumbs on the scale of justice and poured billions into this election. They chose Trump because he was desperate and would capitulate to their demands. They chose a running mate to replace him in case he became too unhinged to control.
Consider how many disqualifying facts about Trump never saw the light of day...or didn't get the attention they deserved...or got drowned out by propaganda. They took a mentally spent buffoon and presented him as a hero to the masses.
Despite Biden successfully steering us out of a global recession and strengthening our economy, they maintained the national tone about the price of groceries being too high. Despite Trump's obvious mental decline, their media outlets remained reticent to press the issue.
We struggle to unite as a nation because they're too good at keeping us divided. We are drowning in disinformation because they control all of it.
They have successfully created imaginary villains for us to fight...each other.
It seems like we are a democracy careening towards fascism, when the reality is they're using the specter of fascism to keep us on edge while they turn America into a compliant oligarchy.
Whether you are a democrat, republican, independent or MAGA, we have a common foe.
Some of us just don't know it yet.
Clouds Passing
(2,268 posts)usonian
(13,836 posts)They use the tools of fascism, and their playbook.
😀
magicarpet
(16,514 posts)"John Luman Smith (born June 5, 1969) is an American attorney who has served in the United States Department of Justice as an assistant U.S. attorney, acting U.S. attorney, and head of the department's Public Integrity Section. He was also the chief prosecutor at the Kosovo Specialist Chambers, an international tribunal at The Hague tasked with investigating and prosecuting war crimes in the Kosovo War."
In November 2022, attorney general Merrick Garland appointed Smith an independent special counsel, responsible for overseeing two preexisting Justice Department criminal investigations into former president Donald Trump, three days after Trump announced his 2024 presidential campaign: one regarding Trump's role in the January 6 U.S. Capitol attack, and the other into alleged mishandling of government records, including classified documents. The documents case resulted in a 37-count indictment of Trump in June 2023 to which three counts were later added in July.[2] In August, the January 6 case resulted in an indictment on four charges.[3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Smith_(lawyer)#:~:text=John%20Luman%20Smith%20(born,the%20Kosovo%20War.
Dickeylee
(6 posts)That 22 month gap really set the narrative of lie and stall, appeal and appeal. Maybe May 2021?
Oh, and Fanie sleeping with a married man
kkmarie
(4 posts)When I saw the x from Jack E Smith. I thought no way special counsel would post his thoughts to x. And apparently he did not. As you did magicarpet a search shows special counsel middle name is Luman.
Can't argue that it's a good post though
magicarpet
(16,514 posts)Mother Malaise has a sharp eye and mind to huntdown goodies on the web and bring them to DU for open group discussions and further considerations.
Who ever wrote this,... who ever John "E" Smith is,... said just what everyone needs to hear/think/consider as we formulate plans to sort our way out of this vehement Nazi anti-democracy festival of hate.
An excellent message was passed on to us explaining where we are and what we are up against as we sort our way out of this mess we are engulfed and tangled up in.
Well written piece no matter the source it was derived from.
It would be nice to hear this person's and/or groups perspectives and viewpoints periodically now and then. I found it refreshing and encouraging that a concise statement was made covering most all of the bases and causes of our current situations and quickly approaching dilemmas.
Maybe like the leaker "Anonymous",.. John "E" Smith will periodically visit upon us when he has some more words of encouragement to impart or information to share.
I for one will be on the lookout and open minded for alternate viewpoints
about how we slay this fire breathing dragon of Fascism. It is foolish to slam or close doors that might help us achieve that end.
Being somewhat less rigid and more positive might be the best course of action for us all presently - if we hope to put this issue of Fascism to rest once again. All hands of deck is really our best game plan and option.
catchnrelease
(2,013 posts)He posts regularly on the Bluesky forum. An alternative to x and as far as I can tell it doesn't allow the hateful and disinformation posts seen on x. At least not so far. Many excellent and informative posters there.
brush
(57,517 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:58 PM - Edit history (1)
I resent being grouped with traitors, magats and rethugs.
All of us weren't fooled.
orwell
(7,957 posts)...but very few choose to listen.
They keep buying products from these pigs and then wonder why they are covered with muck.
You are literally buying your enslavement.
Uncle Joe
(60,148 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,779 posts)malaise
(278,056 posts)They took a mentally spent buffoon and presented him as a hero to the masses.
bdamomma
(66,439 posts)are in for full destruction of the USA. Insurrection Act could be implemented if anyone protests the felon.
I am hoping the military will not comply to anything that the felon requests.
Karasu
(110 posts)CentralMass
(15,539 posts)malaise
(278,056 posts)Rec
NJCher
(37,883 posts)Those are just the facts. Somebody has to define the problem succinctly before we can do anything about it. That's what Jack has done.
I liked the part about the mentally spent candidate and how he was chosen because he is desperate. Also how they even chose his successor in case he becomes too hard to handle.They are already at that point and he's not even at his inauguration.
stillcool
(32,774 posts)nothing we haven't known about for a long time. Unfortunately naming names has never meant anything. Whether it's the Koch's the Mercer's, Devos's...remember that site that had all the right wing think tanks, hedge funds, and families?
NJCher
(37,883 posts)what are you doing at Twitter?
ananda
(30,820 posts)I just joined Bluesky today, so I followed him and liked the post.
For the link
femmedem
(8,444 posts)From Jack E Smith's profile: "Here for people, politics and PARODY."
ShazzieB
(18,670 posts)I already followed him on Bluesky, so I'll continue to do so. I'll be interested to see what else he comes up with.
reACTIONary
(6,009 posts)... to find out if that was the case. None of it seemed like anything Jack Smith would post. He's a pro.
markie
(22,925 posts)for 50 years...
I have displayed this poster in my house for decades...
niyad
(119,931 posts)Thanks in advance.
Between the neo-cons foreign policy and neo-liberal ecominic policy we are collectively fucked
c-rational
(2,867 posts)Passages
(1,058 posts)We are undoubtedly the better side, yet we must be much bolder and not interpret our losses as a sign that we are too liberal.
That is my fear, the Dem leadership will go to the right.
I also want to see the old guard retire asap.
Speaks for me too!
J-9
(17 posts)Not the Jack Smith.
This one nailed it
Enjoy your stay
I care. Is this from the real Jack or not?
Wounded Bear
(60,688 posts)Brenda
(1,321 posts)Babajida
(65 posts)That doesn't undercut what was written. It's a great parody account. It's not *the* Jack Smith.
malaise
(278,056 posts)and thats good
niyad
(119,931 posts)Gore1FL
(21,887 posts)I don't see the need to be hostile to a new member who posted a fact.
niyad
(119,931 posts)Gore1FL
(21,887 posts)niyad
(119,931 posts)Gore1FL
(21,887 posts)So yes. In the context of how the infomration was presented, "Jack E Smith!" is sort of an expected requirement.
And yes, those words would have had more meaning if they had been from "Jack E Smith!"
I'm glad you got it.
niyad
(119,931 posts)Counsel Smith is Jack "Luman" Smith.
Cheezoholic
(2,614 posts)niyad
(119,931 posts)Gore1FL
(21,887 posts)Dont you have 100 cross-posts to make or something?
niyad
(119,931 posts)Gore1FL
(21,887 posts)Gore1FL
(21,887 posts)onenote
(44,636 posts)And people believing that they are his words.
I know I would care a great deal if that was being done to me.
niyad
(119,931 posts)Special Counsel Jack Smith being upset about it, especially given the tenor of the account.
I didn't say I don't agree with it. I just informed the poster it was not the *real* person they thought. You know, the name of the thread.
Why is that a problem? I thought we didn't want to be like them and spread misinformation.
Your welcome.
niyad
(119,931 posts)That particular parody account's remarks have been posted here any number of times, without the OP being accused of spreading misinformation, so I am fascinated by your charges.
J-9
(17 posts)I thought we were here to inform each other. That's all it was, making sure folks know what's real. I didn't attack, I informed. And apparently many people didn't know.
I stand by my post.
femmedem
(8,444 posts)I'm not surprised, but I'm sad. It looks like we lost another new member of this community, someone whose effort to prevent a misunderstanding I appreciated.
Let me make this pelucidly clear. I've been reading your comments for years, this disappoints me.
Idc if you don't care, I just want you to know.
niyad
(119,931 posts)femmedem
(8,444 posts)And hey, why not be more welcoming to a new DUer?
onenote
(44,636 posts)Iggo
(48,268 posts)Pretty easy to spot as a fake, but that never stopped DUers before lol.
LAS14
(14,689 posts)sage
femmedem
(8,444 posts)I just posted the same thing, not realizing you beat me to it.
Welcome to Democratic Underground!
J-9
(17 posts)Since President Obama but just created an account recently. I didn't engage before because people can be rude for no reason.
See above.
Oh. I also joined bluesky yesterday.🎉
femmedem
(8,444 posts)And I was surprised by who made them. I hope they don't chase you off the board.
For what it's worth, I wasn't the only person standing up for you. I try to shrug off the rudeness and focus on the information and kindness that are here, too.
Easterncedar
(3,524 posts)Still terrifying though!
ALBliberal
(2,843 posts)Now its a bit embarrassing
Lets hope the real Jack Smith has same valor
Ok not holding my breath
A bit of a let down honestly
CrispyQ
(38,266 posts)The smart ones are building as big a cushion as they can, the dumb ones are living large, & the rest of us can buzz off. I've said for a few years now, that democracy's going to be harder & harder to hang onto throughout the world, & we just dealt ours a horrible blow.
SheilaAnn
(10,139 posts)Passages
(1,058 posts)They control our Supreme Court, much of Congress, and the flow of information to the masses via legacy, mainstream and social media.
They decide the national conversation, how to keep us at each other's throats while they continue to amass wealth and power completely unchecked.
LAS14
(14,689 posts)Passages
(1,058 posts)Not likely too far off the mark for Smith.
I guess the blue check is meaningless since Musk bought Twitter.
spicysista
(1,731 posts)Cam you imagine all the evidence he's seen? Evidence that may never see the light of day.
Edited to add: Even if this isn't the real account, this take is brilliant.
Farmer-Rick
(11,407 posts)Capitalism. Even in Russia and China. Capitalism is concentrating wealth in just a few hands.
They are the real enemy of the people, the filthy-rich oligarchs.
malaise
(278,056 posts)Many reforms took place in the last century but the unraveling began with the collapse of socialism - society has been replaced by the market.
Wounded Bear
(60,688 posts)niyad
(119,931 posts)Zorro
(16,296 posts)The Russian oligarchy FAFO'ed in 1918.
The Romanian oligarchy FAFO'ed in 1989.
Just sayin'.
ing 😂😀😂
Response to Zorro (Reply #27)
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EarnestPutz
(2,588 posts)onenote
(44,636 posts)Someone asked "who cares"-- I bet the real Jack Smith cares that his photo and name are being associated with statements he didn't make.
infullview
(1,049 posts)He would invoke insurrection and arrest trump Vance and at lest four members of the supreme court invoke martial law and take control of government until the gerrymandering and electoral college can be reworked to provide real democracy. The Supreme Court had given him the cover he needs to do this. Its time.
onenote
(44,636 posts)And they, unlike you, know the limits of his power, what the immunity decision actually does, and what martial law is and isn't.
But go ahead and be a pretend constitutional expert and give advice to the president. That makes a lot of sense.
infullview
(1,049 posts)Sorry Im so pissed off about our failed government. Yes, I think Biden failed by appointing Merrick Garland as AG. He should have gone after trump first.
Sewa
(1,336 posts)Superman wouldnt cut n run for cover.
He knows whos behind the destruction of democracy but hes afraid to name names.
Fuck Off Smith
thebigidea
(13,238 posts)What exactly is the parody or satire here, anyway? They are just using Smith's name and likeness to post bog standard left-wing twitter stuff.
Sewa
(1,336 posts)💀😡
Six117
(224 posts)This was a much needed reminder about our true common enemy.
relayerbob
(7,020 posts)This may be news to some, I suppose.
cachukis
(2,672 posts)wordstroken
(664 posts)OMGWTF
(4,441 posts)Is this just another way to grift off of us? These oligarchs are mentally ill. They are hoarders and will never have enough.
bucolic_frolic
(46,995 posts)Thievery of all kinds, passing the loot up the political ladder. So I really have to question if rule by Oligarchs is any less fascist.
malaise
(278,056 posts)Some of this bunch are both
chouchou
(1,306 posts)..we're still in our cages..trying to break free. Love you Jack!
Blue Owl
(54,755 posts)LAS14
(14,689 posts)soldierant
(7,903 posts)but after reading this, I decided to just put it here.
https://denverite.com/2024/11/13/denver-scream-church-trump-election-reaction/
Anyone for whom this would behelpful, or even thinks it might be helpful, you don't have to live in Denver. All the procedures are here.
It's not fpr me, but I'm vividly aware that there are tons of things in the world whic do nothing for me, but can be incredibly elpful to many people. I would recommend reaching out to Candice if you intend to ude her name -the personal one or the name "Scream Church."
niyad
(119,931 posts)Justice matters.
(7,513 posts)Taylor Swift and Oprah Winfrey and Beyoncé Giselle Knowles-Carter are not in the same tribe as Murdoch and Musk and Thiel and Sinclair (the most well known oligarchs on the dark side) but I get the point.
Prairie_Seagull
(3,770 posts)a parting howitzer.
LAS14
(14,689 posts)blueseas
(11,584 posts)Thanks
2naSalit
(92,705 posts)What's this about?
malaise
(278,056 posts)Masterly stated
Jrsygrl96
(183 posts)Its been coming on for decades! But we need a new name for them!
Orrex
(64,105 posts)And pitchforks can be obtained at any home center.
Puppyjive
(587 posts)Why in earth would anyone think Trump is equipped to lower shelter prices? He would be shooting himself in the foot. Your landlord raises your rent so you give him him complete power. Wtf?
LAS14
(14,689 posts)... known were misleading. This is a parody account. We should have been told in the OP. I'm not sure how one would word this.
Anyway, malaise, could you edit your OP to give us a heads up?
niyad
(119,931 posts)accounts that are posted here on DU?
LAS14
(14,689 posts)I've got 3 good ones so far. Started collecting about a week ago.
niyad
(119,931 posts)republianmushroom
(17,650 posts)Nt.
Uncle Joe
(60,148 posts)but global oligarchy manipulating the people and turning them against one another.
Thanks for the thread malaise
TheKentuckian
(26,231 posts)The excuses for the stupidity are tiresome and can only function as excercises in magical thinking.
DontBelieveEastisEas
(1,088 posts)padah513
(2,674 posts)GoodRaisin
(9,588 posts)Blue_Roses
(13,395 posts)Alot of people are confused now
Magoo48
(5,353 posts)Theyve even plopped one of themselves down right in the middle of the circus for all to see. Muskrat is the managing partner
SharonAnn
(13,883 posts)You just had to pay attention. It was especially visible during Regan's term and W's term. Then people just got used to not paying attention to the tax bills, the tax credits, the gov't funding private enterprise?
Omnipresent
(6,342 posts)I had no idea that a trump win would turn Jack Smiths case into a cartoonish capitulation.
sop
(11,198 posts)Beowulf42
(233 posts)I've been saying this for years. The rich are different from us simply because they have enough money and power to survive whatever the f*@k is done to our government. The rest of us are at the mercy of the whims of those appointed by that said Oligarchy.
Sogo
(5,773 posts)NIL, etc.
Catherine Vincent
(34,543 posts)I asked in another thread if anyone figured out who was behind that account.
Ms. Toad
(35,523 posts)magicarpet
(16,514 posts)It is still a solid explanation of how we arrived at this point and the fascistic forces working against us to make this nightmare all possible.
I look forward to more communications from this well spoken individual whoever they may be. It reads like a structural engineering blueprint of how how the super structure of American Fascism came to be,... I-beam by I-beam, rivot by rivot, and weld by weld.
A solid message to ponder.