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Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 04:05 PM Nov 16

There was difficulty linking to an important Daily Kos article this morning...

...and I even had difficulty sourcing the original article from Archive, but I have finally been successful getting that non-paywall link.

Here it is:

Rigged? Computer Security Experts In Dual "Duty To Warn Letters" Urge Harris To Demand Hand Recount
by Kevin McKinney

Saturday, Nov. 16, 2024 12:09:45am PST

https://archive.is/YXLVg

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There was difficulty linking to an important Daily Kos article this morning... (Original Post) Think. Again. Nov 16 OP
Shades of 2000! The Senate, House, and state legislature results don't agree with the presidential Ford_Prefect Nov 16 #1
The LAST thing I want to see is we Dems just throwing up our hands and walking away like we did in 2000. Think. Again. Nov 16 #4
+1000! ShazzieB Nov 16 #26
Yea, bdamomma Nov 16 #30
How do we communicate to Kamala to follow through on this? Sogo Nov 16 #2
I think very loud, very public discussion (like this here on DU and other social media)... Think. Again. Nov 16 #3
Do you know those email addresses? Will you post them, please? Sogo Nov 16 #5
Here's two... Think. Again. Nov 16 #7
I hear there's a great post with some of those addresses! David Boyle Nov 16 #10
Thanks! Think. Again. Nov 16 #18
If you have good reps in the house and Senate, send them an email. They are japple Nov 16 #16
Good thought! Think. Again. Nov 16 #20
Think 600K bullet votes is a fabrication. And Snopes says Starlink wasn't news. Silent Type Nov 16 #6
I'm not sure the starlink connection being news is the issue... Think. Again. Nov 16 #11
If I remember correctly Linda ladeewolf Nov 16 #12
Bradblog.com / Bradcast (Brad Friedman) has picked this up too nmmi Nov 16 #8
DailyKos and Brad somebody? Not my gotos for truth. When Harris, Biden, Democratic governors, etc., join Silent Type Nov 16 #9
Let's hope the letter to Harris works then! Think. Again. Nov 16 #13
Fine, I'm skeptical too. I have listened to a lot of Brad - he was on when I did my jogging a couple of years ago nmmi Nov 16 #23
Thanks, if any of this is true, we need to be sure it's being covered by legitimate people. Think. Again. Nov 16 #35
Al franken called him , "this guy named brad" questionseverything Nov 16 #44
Brad Friedman is great. markodochartaigh Nov 16 #22
Brad says coffee county never applied the patch needed after those repubs broke in and copied everything questionseverything Nov 16 #28
The Coffee county "breach" was in 2020. Those rubes had no idea what they were doing and Silent Type Nov 16 #33
I would hardy call the exposure markodochartaigh Nov 16 #39
4 years ago, misinformation would be charitable. Silent Type Nov 16 #40
4 years ago was the last presidential election. markodochartaigh Nov 16 #41
And software has been changed since. So, it is ancient history. Silent Type Nov 16 #42
No. If one reads the Politico article markodochartaigh Nov 16 #43
Elon Musk was promoting same conspiracy theory right up to Nov 5th. Silent Type Nov 16 #46
I suppose that Musk would also markodochartaigh Nov 16 #47
No, I'm saying some of you have changed your tune on his allegations and so did Musk when trump won. Silent Type Nov 16 #49
"You"? I haven't changed my opinion markodochartaigh Nov 16 #50
Brad's 5-10-23 article says, fixes won't be installed until after 2024 election questionseverything Nov 16 #45
And Tina Peters, Colorado election official who got 9 years for allowing unauthorized access and tampering nmmi Nov 16 #31
Are there any clues as to why this article "disappeared" from Kos and search engines etc.? Emrys Nov 16 #14
I have no idea why it was so difficult to find earlier today... Think. Again. Nov 16 #15
I wasn't necessarily looking to fuel conspiracy theories (who knows? they may be well founded) Emrys Nov 16 #17
At first I thought it was just blocked to non-subscribers of Kos (I don't subscribe)... Think. Again. Nov 16 #19
Brad blog actually has much more in depth info than the kos article questionseverything Nov 16 #29
Here's a link to the BradBlog coverage... Think. Again. Nov 16 #36
The Article is posted here on Daily KOS. A PDF of the Letter which was sent on the 13th is below as well. Ford_Prefect Nov 16 #21
Thanks ! Think. Again. Nov 16 #25
That's the different article I said upthread that I'd found searching on Kos Emrys Nov 16 #53
Thank you. AllyCat Nov 16 #24
I agree, there's to much craziness in what should be a very straightforward voting and counting process... Think. Again. Nov 16 #27
There is another thread about this. usonian Nov 16 #32
Thank you! The more info and coverage this gets, the better! Think. Again. Nov 16 #37
I sure hope the pa recount will trigger more proud patriot Nov 16 #34
Yes, I really don't want to see this swept under the rug... Think. Again. Nov 16 #38
Daily Kos staff obviously killed the post as "violating rules against conspiracy theories".... Jack Valentino Nov 16 #48
I believe Daily Kos has it up live now though, so it probably wasn't "killed" by them. Think. Again. Nov 16 #51
That's a different diary on the same topic. They DID kill Jack Valentino Nov 17 #54
I wonder why? Copyright issues maybe? Think. Again. Nov 17 #55
NOOOOOO--- because DK has strict rules against "conspiracy theories", and Jack Valentino Nov 17 #58
So by re-writing the post, they were able to bypass that somehow? Think. Again. Nov 18 #59
This also needs to be communicated to Marc Elias.... Sogo Nov 16 #52
Yes, the video shows that Elias is very concerned that we don't do what rightwingers did in 2020. Think. Again. Nov 17 #56
We have everything to loose babsbunny Nov 17 #57

Ford_Prefect

(8,202 posts)
1. Shades of 2000! The Senate, House, and state legislature results don't agree with the presidential
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 05:29 PM
Nov 16

In a number of states.
Things that make you go hmmm?

bdamomma

(66,496 posts)
30. Yea,
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:15 PM
Nov 16

let's not do that. We will be like Argentina, if we continue to let things slide. Just my opinion.

Sogo

(5,784 posts)
2. How do we communicate to Kamala to follow through on this?
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 05:31 PM
Nov 16

I donated until it hurt for this election....I want her to pursue this!!!!

How do we communicate this desire to her?

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
3. I think very loud, very public discussion (like this here on DU and other social media)...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 05:36 PM
Nov 16

...and we can always write tons of emails directly to her campaign, and even the Biden/Harris Whitehouse account.

But this is urgent, so I think lots of social media attention would probably be most effective.

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
11. I'm not sure the starlink connection being news is the issue...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:28 PM
Nov 16

...I believe that the connection of musk's company to official election processes is the issue whether some people knew about it or not.

I also think the 600,000 number HAS to be an estimate, becuase we wouldn't know that final number until recount verifications were done, which is what is only now being called for.

Linda ladeewolf

(413 posts)
12. If I remember correctly
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:29 PM
Nov 16

Snopes is at least partly owned by right wingers. They mostly tell the truth, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it. Might want to check out who owns it.

Silent Type

(6,720 posts)
9. DailyKos and Brad somebody? Not my gotos for truth. When Harris, Biden, Democratic governors, etc., join
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:24 PM
Nov 16

I’m all then. Until then, I’m skeptical.

nmmi

(68 posts)
23. Fine, I'm skeptical too. I have listened to a lot of Brad - he was on when I did my jogging a couple of years ago
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:00 PM
Nov 16

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2024, 08:06 PM - Edit history (1)

and he seemed to stick to factual stories (they also appeared in mainstream media too) and not chase conspiracy theories, or speculating.

markodochartaigh

(2,113 posts)
22. Brad Friedman is great.
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:57 PM
Nov 16

He has been covering the Coffee County Georgia scandal since the beginning. His Bradcast is on Progressive Voices and many radio stations.

Silent Type

(6,720 posts)
33. The Coffee county "breach" was in 2020. Those rubes had no idea what they were doing and
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:33 PM
Nov 16

the software was changed for 2022 and 2024. Obfuscation is what I expect from the other side, not ours.

markodochartaigh

(2,113 posts)
39. I would hardy call the exposure
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:57 PM
Nov 16

of a plot that successfully compromised the integrity of voting machines obfuscation.
And Raffensperger refused "to make changes and fix a documented issue with the voting machines."

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/23/brad-raffensperger-georgia-dominion-voting-00103298

markodochartaigh

(2,113 posts)
43. No. If one reads the Politico article
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 08:24 PM
Nov 16

it says that the software has not been changed. And whether or not the software has been changed, there is still the issue that local Republican party officials (no both sides here) illegally accessed, stole, and compromised voting software.

markodochartaigh

(2,113 posts)
47. I suppose that Musk would also
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 08:53 PM
Nov 16

say that 1+1=2. Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. Are you saying that everything that Musk has ever said is incorrect?

markodochartaigh

(2,113 posts)
50. "You"? I haven't changed my opinion
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 10:18 PM
Nov 16

about the Coffee County theft since I first heard about it more than a year ago on Brad Friedman's excellent show.

As for what Musk says, I haven't heard him say anything about the theft, and I really don't care what he thinks about it.

nmmi

(68 posts)
31. And Tina Peters, Colorado election official who got 9 years for allowing unauthorized access and tampering
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:16 PM
Nov 16

Last edited Sat Nov 16, 2024, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr75mpkm7nro

Edit to add Yes, this is a 2020 election story just so I don't get accused of "obfuscating",

Emrys

(7,949 posts)
14. Are there any clues as to why this article "disappeared" from Kos and search engines etc.?
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:30 PM
Nov 16

When folks were having problems finding it, I did my own search on Kos and found only an article from yesterday from Bradblog with a similar title that covered a fair bit of the same ground, but no sign of the article linked in the OP.

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
15. I have no idea why it was so difficult to find earlier today...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:38 PM
Nov 16

It was only later this afternoon that I was even able to archive it on archive.is (even archiving it didn't work for hours) and then link to it here: https://archive.is/YXLVg

That just adds to the suspicions of foul-play as far as I'm concerned.


Emrys

(7,949 posts)
17. I wasn't necessarily looking to fuel conspiracy theories (who knows? they may be well founded)
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:44 PM
Nov 16

I haven't visited Kos much at all over the years (never got on with their interface, it's always seemed very cliquey, and anything important posted there tends to find its way onto DU anyway), so I just wondered whether posts there just going *POOF* was a normal occurrence.

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
19. At first I thought it was just blocked to non-subscribers of Kos (I don't subscribe)...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 06:49 PM
Nov 16

But the difficulty I had earlier today trying to archive it on archive.is (I've never had any dificulty like that before) started to set off alarms bells for me.

Emrys

(7,949 posts)
53. That's the different article I said upthread that I'd found searching on Kos
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 11:56 PM
Nov 16

That link's to the Bradblog article, the one in your OP's by Kevin McKinney.

AllyCat

(17,113 posts)
24. Thank you.
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:02 PM
Nov 16

Important. Something is wrong. How was there “record turnout!” “record new registrations!” and then FEWER votes overall?

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
27. I agree, there's to much craziness in what should be a very straightforward voting and counting process...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:06 PM
Nov 16

....hopefully these calls to do some serious deep-checking of everything will be heard, and acted on.

usonian

(13,942 posts)
32. There is another thread about this.
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:31 PM
Nov 16
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219692792

I posted link updates there.


To wit:

Beyond Highbrow reports (from an archived post that bypasses the substack paywall)
https://archive.ph/jQb34#selection-629.0-629.181

Preliminary Results Indicates Suspicion of Yet Another Republican Stolen Election Via Voting Machines Via 6.6 Point Anomaly; Evidence of Republican Election Theft in Prior Elections

Introduction: My conclusion as of 1:40 AM November 10, 2024 is that the “12 million Democrats stayed home” theory is demonstrably false.

If that’s true then the only possible conclusion is that there was massive Republican election fraud via voting machines in this election. I conclude that Kamala Harris won the popular vote.


more at the link.

A link in the OP to Steven Spoonamore's spoutible account is not working, but his thread is here:
https://spoutible.com/Spoonamore

Also, he is still up on twitler, and the threads are visible.

https://x.com/Spoonamore

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
38. Yes, I really don't want to see this swept under the rug...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:56 PM
Nov 16

...if there WAS anything illicit going on, we need to know about in time to correct it before December 11!

Jack Valentino

(1,354 posts)
48. Daily Kos staff obviously killed the post as "violating rules against conspiracy theories"....
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 09:04 PM
Nov 16

but I read your internet archive link, and it is disturbing.


I have been pushing back against the position that this election was stolen--
but now I'm not so sure about that....

I always did think that the 2004 election was stolen, and that Kerry actually won Ohio,
but there was a lot of vote-switching done by the machines...

Ironically, it was Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s article in Rolling Stone which proved the case to me--
outlining the fact that a far-left Ohio Supreme Court candidate actually out-polled John Kerry
in 10 southern Ohio counties in the "official" results-- an unheard-of anomily
which supposes that many voters chose Bush,
and then voted for a far-left Supreme Court candidate...

Thanks for posting this. I now support a recount.
I'm not saying that I believe that this election was stolen--

I would just like to be satisfied that the "results" are the actual TRUTH.


Jack Valentino

(1,354 posts)
58. NOOOOOO--- because DK has strict rules against "conspiracy theories", and
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:35 PM
Nov 17

'election denial' is considered to be one of those....

even if Democrats do it--- they don't want their site to be comparable to all the right-wing sites who denied the results of the 2020 election....


That is why that first story was removed--- I am a longtime member there, I know their mindset.

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
59. So by re-writing the post, they were able to bypass that somehow?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:17 AM
Nov 18

Whatever, at least we were able to get the letters out to the public.

Think. Again.

(18,072 posts)
56. Yes, the video shows that Elias is very concerned that we don't do what rightwingers did in 2020.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:07 AM
Nov 17

Which I agree with, but that still leaves all the questions that are raised in the two separate 'Duty to Warn' letters unanswered.

babsbunny

(8,500 posts)
57. We have everything to loose
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 08:25 AM
Nov 17

So, we have to fight like hell!!!! We are fighting the enemy of the United States of America!

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