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kentuck

(115,042 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:52 PM Nov 2024

Maybe I am just paranoid?

But I can never rid myself of this feeling in my gut that Russia has infiltrated the highest levels of our government, including the White House.

It seems that almost every Department of government has been compromised, including the CIA, the FBI, and all our intelligence agencies.

Russia is now in charge of our leaders as the American people slip into some sort of comatose state.

It seems to me that we are refusing to face reality.

Am I just paranoid?

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Maybe I am just paranoid? (Original Post) kentuck Nov 2024 OP
That's what I call a healthy paranoia. Turbineguy Nov 2024 #1
Warning Flags Waving ZDU Nov 2024 #2
You say you want a Revolution.... Lawjo Nov 2024 #62
The Red Dawn of this century is Red Don Blue Owl Nov 2024 #3
Now we should know who is the "enemy within". kentuck Nov 2024 #5
Lol, good one. Dave Bowman Nov 2024 #11
And the 'reality' that we are refusing to face ? stopdiggin Nov 2024 #4
Yeah, I guess I'm just paranoid... kentuck Nov 2024 #6
Conspiracy denial theorists... bikes and bunnies Nov 2024 #39
So true. johnnyfins Nov 2024 #46
"Conspiracy Theories" are born when Government actions are not transparent. stopdiggin Nov 2024 #58
fear CAN be a positive stopdiggin Nov 2024 #49
And you don't believe that Trump had Russian help wnylib Nov 2024 #53
I thnk you might be replying to a diffent post. stopdiggin Nov 2024 #60
"axis of authoritarians" rampartd Nov 2024 #70
I thought it was very strange . . . people Nov 2024 #7
Not paranoid ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #8
Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence Mike 03 Nov 2024 #9
and this is just sick and soooooo wrong........"our girl friend". a kennedy Nov 2024 #19
Trump is Putins puppet MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #10
It is blatantly obvious isn't it? Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #12
I think it could be, but what about patriotic Civil servants in FBI and CIA Beringia Nov 2024 #13
They'll get fired. Just watch. AZ8theist Nov 2024 #21
Or maybe go underground, at least for awhile. calimary Nov 2024 #44
Correct. H2O Man Nov 2024 #57
The FBI will do just what their current training teaches them to do Otto_Harper Nov 2024 #37
Lawyering up, trying to protect themselves Six117 Nov 2024 #65
Garland always struck me as a doddering fool Beringia Nov 2024 #66
Is water wet? usonian Nov 2024 #14
Maybe it's just all the oligarchs in it for themselves and cutting deals bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #15
For all intents and purposes markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #32
Maybe bdamomma Nov 2024 #51
They infiltrated the GOP years ago underpants Nov 2024 #16
This is the dawning of the age of the Inkey Nov 2024 #17
It's even on the beat. calimary Nov 2024 #45
Paranoia; no... oldsoldierfadingfast Nov 2024 #18
It's not that u r paranoid . . . AverageOldGuy Nov 2024 #20
When Putin displays a nude Melania across 11 time zones of Russia TV Submariner Nov 2024 #22
Trump said he would stop the Ukraine war Beck23 Nov 2024 #50
I'm right there with you jmbar2 Nov 2024 #23
Well, markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #34
Seeing the evidence before your eyes is not paranoia. Demobrat Nov 2024 #24
No, you're not Wicked Blue Nov 2024 #25
drumpf's longevity is proof the CIA didn't kill JFK JoseBalow Nov 2024 #26
Today's CIA Mr.Bill Nov 2024 #27
Nope.. Cherrycheeks Nov 2024 #28
if you are, then so am i. barbtries Nov 2024 #29
If you mean are you imagining things -- no. Sometimes they really out to get us, & this is such a time. Hekate Nov 2024 #30
I also agree about Russia infiltrating. Not good 😡 TommieMommy Nov 2024 #31
You may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean there's no conspiracy. jaxexpat Nov 2024 #33
No you're not Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #35
Not paranoid in the least relayerbob Nov 2024 #36
True mamacita75 Nov 2024 #38
Putin now owns the USA kimbutgar Nov 2024 #40
It is more likely... orwell Nov 2024 #41
"Russia's a ruse" vs "Russia, if you're listening" czarjak Nov 2024 #42
loyalty voteragain Nov 2024 #43
Do you mean through Trump and Musk Beck23 Nov 2024 #47
I fear Trump is trying to align the US with Lawjo Nov 2024 #48
Maybe that's why Musk recently Beck23 Nov 2024 #52
My conclusion as well. bluestarone Nov 2024 #54
Maria Butina. H2O Man Nov 2024 #55
We have been destabilized KT2000 Nov 2024 #56
No you're not paranoid wendyb-NC Nov 2024 #59
The risks will be been when Ukraine collapses and Poland Lawjo Nov 2024 #61
that is pretty much a GIVEN Skittles Nov 2024 #63
No imo you are not paranoid Meowmee Nov 2024 #64
I think it's broader than that. Mike Niendorff Nov 2024 #67
Um...I think you are going a bit overboard - for now...Russians controlling our Gov't already? Uh, noooo.... electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #68
The election was tampered with dlilafae Nov 2024 #69
I believe you are right! Our Democratic Republic is being threatened from within. Emile Nov 2024 #71
AG Matt Gaetz is a distinct paranoia. Kid Berwyn Nov 2024 #72

ZDU

(1,057 posts)
2. Warning Flags Waving
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:58 PM
Nov 2024

Agreed, kentuck. Something ain't quite right. Destabilization on a grand scale.


Blue Owl

(58,119 posts)
3. The Red Dawn of this century is Red Don
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:59 PM
Nov 2024

Red Don IV: The Coup is Coming from Inside the House!

kentuck

(115,042 posts)
5. Now we should know who is the "enemy within".
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:02 PM
Nov 2024

Your first thought is probably the correct one?

stopdiggin

(14,917 posts)
4. And the 'reality' that we are refusing to face ?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:01 PM
Nov 2024

Is that all branches of our government are controlled by Russia ?
I'd say that is pretty much the definition ...

But you'll probably find confirmation and affirmation within our little tribe here.
That's why the internet is so great !!

 
39. Conspiracy denial theorists...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:18 PM
Nov 2024

have a psychological need to deny unpleasant realities.
That's why they constantly ridicule peoples' legitimate concerns about actual conspiracies to steal elections and install puppets, such as Putin's puppet, Cantaloupe Caligula.

No, the OP is not paranoid.
Fear of actual dangers is how creatures survive.

johnnyfins

(3,385 posts)
46. So true.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:46 PM
Nov 2024

"Conspiracy Theories" are born when Government actions are not transparent.

It's natural for people to use whatever evidence, circumstantial or not, to try to understand events. It's healthy questioning of power.

FUCK anyone that generalizes and says "I don't believe in conspiracy theories". That is blind faith.

stopdiggin

(14,917 posts)
58. "Conspiracy Theories" are born when Government actions are not transparent.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:26 PM
Nov 2024

which of course doesn't provide a single ounce or degree toward making those theories TRUE !

A 'healthy questioning of power' - does not run to fabulist invention and crackpot theory.
Lending real credence to an assertion such as, "The Russians are now in control of all our leaders .." (used purely as example) doesn't qualify as either critical thinking, or a 'healthy questioning of power'. There has to be some distinction between reasonable assumption (backed up by some degree of fact, information, or logical inference) - and the onboarding of every instance of overwhelmingly credulous nonsense.

stopdiggin

(14,917 posts)
49. fear CAN be a positive
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:58 PM
Nov 2024

But it serves nothing to then NOT point to the fact that it can be terribly destructive and debilitating too. Correct?

The OP made statements of belief that almost certainly lean toward hyperbole ...

It seems that almost every Department of government has been compromised, including the CIA, the FBI, and all our intelligence agencies.

Russia is now in charge of our leaders

And - if truly believed - are, yes, probably both paranoid and conspiratorial. Saying so is only facing fact.

I do have to kind of chuckle and assign a degree of merit and invention to 'flipping the script' with, "Conspiracy denial theorists"
Is this the new and improved version of, "Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean .. " ?
- - - - - - - - - - -

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
53. And you don't believe that Trump had Russian help
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:02 PM
Nov 2024

in 2016? Or that he publicly asserted his belief in Putin's word over our own Intel agencies?

You don't believe that during four years as president, Trump put people in our Intel agencies that would favor his own pro Russia views?

You don't believe that MAGA members of Congress have had private meetings with Putin?

You don't believe that Putin carries deep seated resentment and vengeance toward the US after the breakup of the Soviet Union where he was a dedicated KGB agent?

You don't believe that Russian bots have flooded American social media with disinformation that MAGAs agree with?

You mentioned a DU bubble in regard to Russia. Do you have a different bubble of your own?

I believe that, after January 20, 2025, the US will have a dictatorship and become a Russian client state.





stopdiggin

(14,917 posts)
60. I thnk you might be replying to a diffent post.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:48 PM
Nov 2024

In fact I affirmatively believe all the things you listed - saving the last two.

I don't recall ever mentioning anything about either a DU or a Russian 'bubble' - - Not even sure what it means.

And I think your final statement regarding a Russian client state is the just about the largest boatload of crap. A joke really. Even given the proposition of 'dictatorship' (slightly more plausible, although still by no means likely) The idea that the U.S. is going to cede all its enormous wealth and power ... ? Under what alternate reality is THIS going to take place? Laughable and really quite ludicrous ... Not, I repeat NOT going to happen.

rampartd

(3,570 posts)
70. "axis of authoritarians"
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:13 AM
Nov 2024

russia/china/iran/n korea/ argentina/israel/saudi arabia/india add usa and who to protect europe, the s koreans, or tiawan?

people

(824 posts)
7. I thought it was very strange . . .
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:06 PM
Nov 2024

and shocking when T was president and several republicans went to Russia for the 4th of July.

ForgedCrank

(3,005 posts)
8. Not paranoid
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:07 PM
Nov 2024

at all. Our system has been infected with then for decades, fact. That also includes China and most likely others.

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
9. Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:09 PM
Nov 2024

Russian State TV refers to her colloquially as "our girlfriend."

So I think you're close to the truth here.

MadameButterfly

(3,725 posts)
10. Trump is Putins puppet
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:11 PM
Nov 2024

Now tulsi Gabbard in charge of security
Trump steals top secret documants with impunity
I'd say we have no secrets from Russia now

Irish_Dem

(79,367 posts)
12. It is blatantly obvious isn't it?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:18 PM
Nov 2024

Trump could not have pulled all of this off on his own.
He had to have had help at the highest levels across the US government.

An international crime syndicate does not take over the entire US government without a lot of inside help.
A huge amount of help.

You are 100% correct.

Two plus two always equals four.

But even the obvious is often hard for most people to face.

Beringia

(5,326 posts)
13. I think it could be, but what about patriotic Civil servants in FBI and CIA
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:32 PM
Nov 2024

what will they do

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
57. Correct.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:22 PM
Nov 2024

You are so right. The new administration plans to get rid of those in intelligence and military who are loyal to the Constitution, rather than the felon. They have made that clear. People need a firm grasp on what direction the country is going on. That firm grasp will allow us to hang on as this storm of destruction hits.

Six117

(297 posts)
65. Lawyering up, trying to protect themselves
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 10:22 PM
Nov 2024

"Justice Department officials, including Attorney General Merrick Garland, were shocked by Trump’s decisive election win. For the last four years, Garland has argued that strictly following post-Watergate norms that require the Justice Department to work in a nonpartisan manner in criminal investigations would restore public trust in the Justice Department."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-fbi-officials-reach-lawyers-potential-trump-revenge-prosecutions-l-rcna179737

Actually -faithfully executing the law "without fear or favor" would have done so much to protect us all.

I am heartbroken for my country!

usonian

(23,289 posts)
14. Is water wet?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:35 PM
Nov 2024

Been that way for many years.

Putin can't beat Monaco at war, but he can defeat the US with an army within.


bucolic_frolic

(53,792 posts)
15. Maybe it's just all the oligarchs in it for themselves and cutting deals
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:37 PM
Nov 2024

This has been several decades in the making. Hints were dropped along the way.

underpants

(194,584 posts)
16. They infiltrated the GOP years ago
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:43 PM
Nov 2024

Senators In Moscow on the 4th of July
$40+M to the NRA
Fox promoted Putin as the white anti-Obama
Trump siezed on that.

Trump has been seen as a possible Russian asset for decades.

Laura Logan, Tobias, Tulsi, & Greenwald all turned.
Tucker was turned.

Putin is the richest man in the world and he, very smartly, went tech while Russia was in ashes.

Intel and money.

calimary

(88,861 posts)
45. It's even on the beat.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:43 PM
Nov 2024

Cue the 5th Dimension. You could sing it to “the Age of Aquarius”.

AverageOldGuy

(3,279 posts)
20. It's not that u r paranoid . . .
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:28 PM
Nov 2024

. . . It’s that u r not paranoid enough . . . It’s worse than u think.

Submariner

(13,233 posts)
22. When Putin displays a nude Melania across 11 time zones of Russia TV
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:34 PM
Nov 2024

it is pretty likely he's was informing the planet that Caligula is his bitch.

That the President-elect of the United States of America, and America itself, is Russia's bitch. You're not paranoid.

Beck23

(408 posts)
50. Trump said he would stop the Ukraine war
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:59 PM
Nov 2024

..the day after the election. Putin just bombed Ukraine's electrical infrastruture. It's 12 days after the election.

jmbar2

(7,535 posts)
23. I'm right there with you
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:35 PM
Nov 2024

Trump and the magats are so easy for Russia to infiltrate and manipulate. Now add in the cyptobros and Elon, and we are facing a full takeover of the US government.

I am hoping and praying that a resistance movement is forming inside the critical agencies that can hold things together until midterms.

It will be crucially important for us to hound our Republican elected representatives every time some terrible policy is proposed. They will have to face reelection with a lame duck president just about the time that the ill-effects of Trump's rule are starting to be felt. By that time, Putin should also be much more weakened.

JMO, of course. Could always be wrong.

markodochartaigh

(4,901 posts)
34. Well,
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:54 PM
Nov 2024

"Trump and the magats are so easy for Russia to infiltrate and manipulate."

Authoritarian followers are, by definition, easy to manipulate. Just give them a Strong Leader and they goosestep blindly in line.

Cherrycheeks

(292 posts)
28. Nope..
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:43 PM
Nov 2024

I have said all along that anyone who thinks he don't give away secrets in Helsinki are drinking the koolaid or are in on it.

Another,thing they have had yrs to go through all of the classified info at Maralago.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
30. If you mean are you imagining things -- no. Sometimes they really out to get us, & this is such a time.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:47 PM
Nov 2024
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
33. You may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean there's no conspiracy.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:52 PM
Nov 2024

In profound ways, American government has, over 200+ years, evolved into a sort of secret society. It's like a multi-layered cabal whose priority is to prevent the electorate from possessing accurate information on issues which may shine a bad light on their intentions and it's working perfectly. Just over half the voters are totally misinformed on important issues preventing even the possibility of them making informed choices. So far as I can tell, it's been this way ever since I was old enough to notice stuff outside my hometown.

Don't know why it's that way, but it definitely is that way. Why has it always been this way? Because people like to guess and imagine stuff. It keeps them preoccupied. So long as people are preoccupied, they won't try to change things. Sometimes it works that they let people think things are changing but then it comes out that it's still the same shit and nobody's gonna be allowed to lift a finger to change it.

mamacita75

(170 posts)
38. True
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:12 PM
Nov 2024

statement. Do not be paranoid of something that is true.

It happened. We've been so compromised it is mind blowing.
We were just living our lives while the fascists plotted and planned and welcomed this intrusion into America.

Too many obviously don't even care.

kimbutgar

(26,679 posts)
40. Putin now owns the USA
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:22 PM
Nov 2024

And he will be paying a national state visit to look over his new country and get the state secrets especially the nuclear codes from his puppet dictator.

orwell

(8,003 posts)
41. It is more likely...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:24 PM
Nov 2024

...that Russian Oligarchs have united with western Oligarchs in a global push for the triumph of capital over governments.

This has been decades in the making. It is now becoming apparent as the masks come off.

Fascism is winning.

voteragain

(52 posts)
43. loyalty
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:33 PM
Nov 2024

I keep remembering one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies when the British East India Company finally shows up and the governor is told loyalty to the crown is no longer the currency of the realm. something close to that.
my point is money can buy anyone who has no boundaries.

to me no you are not paranoid to me thinking there could be a political 5th column. it was used in WWII.

Beck23

(408 posts)
47. Do you mean through Trump and Musk
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:53 PM
Nov 2024

who have been in regular contact with Putin over the last few years?

If the election is not recounted and challenged based on valid evidence, be prepared to see a radical dismantling of our government and a lot of hardship, as Musk said.

Lawjo

(20 posts)
48. I fear Trump is trying to align the US with
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:57 PM
Nov 2024

the axis of evil, US, RU NK, CN, Iran. Think about it, Trump lets Russia take Ukraine. China moves on Taiwan. N. Korea launches some missiles just to add to the chaos and Iran goes all in on Israel, and the US does nothing. It would be a new World order

bluestarone

(21,057 posts)
54. My conclusion as well.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:07 PM
Nov 2024

The RETHUG closets were so full of VERY FILTHY UNSPEAKABLE things. ( yea their religious alright) Worst creeps on the planet. I actually fear a complete take over without a shot fired. Our hands are tied because of our legal system. Supreme court included. Only one thing we could do is fight like our forefathers did in 1776. (yep all the way back to that year i'm afraid.) Do we have it in us? I doubt it!

H2O Man

(78,504 posts)
55. Maria Butina.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:18 PM
Nov 2024

Paul Erickson. The NRA & Butina's "group," the "Right to Bear Arms," which fronted for shoveling Russian money to the NRA and its puppets in DC.

Putin's Russia is a white power outfit. It is strongly anti-Muslim, that Tulsi Gabbard breaks bread with them. And 100% of the sociopath's cult of white christian nationalists support Putin's violent aggression in the Ukraine. My son-in-law in Europe's background is international human rights law. They know that the in-coming administration will trash NATO, and that Putin will widen his invasions.

No, my Good Friend, you are not paranoid.

KT2000

(21,905 posts)
56. We have been destabilized
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:22 PM
Nov 2024

from the inside. We are crumbling apart at the most basic level because our freedoms have been manipulated by an enemy. How much is our economy paying off ransomware? How much misinformation has gotten into the national dialog? How much division and distrust has been driven into our most intimate relationships? Aiding the most un-American politician in this country's history to take control so he will further disintegrate the bonds among citizens.
Putin headed their spy agency and is very familiar with these tactics - of course he would direct them against us. Not even a bullet was fired and we are falling apart as a country.

wendyb-NC

(4,587 posts)
59. No you're not paranoid
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:43 PM
Nov 2024

The things he's said out loud, or stuff that would land any other person would be in jail.

The crap he pulled last week, in naming, his choices to fill his Cabinet. It was a blatant, indecent, treacherous, mockery of traditions and all guidance for choosing a candidates who will uphold the named purpose of each department, most of his choices so far fly in the face of everything that would be considered appropriate.

This whole thing is aimed at destroying our constitution, and turning it into, who knows what.

Lawjo

(20 posts)
61. The risks will be been when Ukraine collapses and Poland
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:46 PM
Nov 2024

in no way is going to allow Russia on their boarder, so Poland will move in and help defend Ukraine which will start WWIII

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
64. No imo you are not paranoid
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:57 PM
Nov 2024

One of the first things the psycho did last time was to invite that Russian diplomat- as well as others, I have forgotten his name, into the oval office without anyone observing it. Soon after that, Israeli intelligence was leaked, possibly costing the lives of counterintelligence people there.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the psycho and many others in the R party are compromised. It was obvious when he met with P that he was terrified of him, in Helsinki.

In addition there is evidence that psycho and his first wife, whose father was an informer for stb, traveled to Russia with her where he was targeted to see if he could be used as an asset- he was after that an asset. One of the things suggested to him when he was targeted was that he should run for president of the US. Not long after that, he paid for an article in the New York Times, criticizing the foreign policy of the US among other things and eventually started pursuing a run for president. They traveled to Russia frequently and he eventually held a miss universe pageant there. It’s probably at that time that they gathered Kompromat on him in my opinion.

Mike Niendorff

(3,633 posts)
67. I think it's broader than that.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:53 AM
Nov 2024

It's a mafia network of oligarchs and their compromised frontmen. It's in motion worldwide, and moving with lightning speed.


MDN

electric_blue68

(25,615 posts)
68. Um...I think you are going a bit overboard - for now...Russians controlling our Gov't already? Uh, noooo....
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:03 AM
Nov 2024

All our agencies that compromised? No.

Yes, I've pretty much followed all the news about Russian meetings drumphf has had. The documents he's stolen. His horiffic love for Putin, and other dictatorial Strongmen.

And the awful people he's already appointed.

Otoh... once that monster returns to office - that's a different story.

dlilafae

(367 posts)
69. The election was tampered with
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:12 AM
Nov 2024

...and it looks like the Dems are gonna sit on their hands.

Kid Berwyn

(22,712 posts)
72. AG Matt Gaetz is a distinct paranoia.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:44 AM
Nov 2024


A nightmare from history inspects a POW camp run by the SS.
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