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orleans

(34,942 posts) Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:19 AM Monday

"a moral imperative" "TRUMP PLANS SHOW TRIALS; BIDEN MUST PARDON EVERYONE - 11.18.24 - countdown

"biden needs to assemble a list of thousands of people to pardon; people in the military, in the democratic party, in state and local governments, in election supervision, in the media, in the protest movements, in the climate movement, people in any of the fields this psychopath trump thinks wronged him... thousands of pardons, tens of thousands of pardons. they should be as easy and as available from the biden administration as vaccinations."

"it is a moral imperative that joe biden prioritize this list of pardons above everything else right now "

"joe biden must ask if there are other actions to take rather than to hand trump the weapons with which to institute dictatorship and mass death"

https://omny.fm/shows/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/cwko-mon-11-18-24-final?in_playlist=podcast

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"a moral imperative" "TRUMP PLANS SHOW TRIALS; BIDEN MUST PARDON EVERYONE - 11.18.24 - countdown (Original Post) orleans Monday OP

I don't think he pardon anyone in advance soandso Monday #1

there is a pardon someone can get without being charged with a crime and without saying they are guilty of something orleans Monday #2

Are you sure about that? soandso Monday #3

Ford/Nixon, but it's not the same thing. tgraf66 Monday #4

And here it is: soandso Monday #6

Nixon was never charged with a crime. Mariana Monday #10

But was pardoned, in advance in case he was soandso Monday #11

Biden can give a blanket pardon Wanderlust988 Monday #5

The thing that you don't understand is... canuckledragger Monday #8

He should it anyway and "challege" SCOTUS electric_blue68 Monday #9

I hope he does Meowmee Monday #7

soandso

(1,155 posts)

1. I don't think he pardon anyone in advance

Reply to orleans (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:23 AM

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of being charged with a crime.

orleans

(34,942 posts)

2. there is a pardon someone can get without being charged with a crime and without saying they are guilty of something

Reply to soandso (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:50 AM

Monday

obama gave 1927 pardons, biden has given 11

people need those cover your ass pardons in lieu of the incoming psycho

soandso

(1,155 posts)

3. Are you sure about that?

Reply to orleans (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:01 AM

Monday

I've never heard of it and if someone has never been charged with anything, what would they pardoned for? You couldn't even pardon them for all past crimes because they don't exist. That sounds pretty sketchy.

tgraf66

(32 posts)

4. Ford/Nixon, but it's not the same thing.

Reply to soandso (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:07 AM

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Ford gave Nixon a blanket advance pardon for crimes that "he may have committed". However, in that case, it was pretty obvious that Nixon had in fact committed many crimes, they just hadn't been investigated or indicted. In these cases, none of what these people have likely done is illegal, and in fact most of it would be obviously 1st Amendment protected speech. Given that, Mr. Biden can't issue pardons for them because no crimes have been committed or even alleged.

soandso

(1,155 posts)

6. And here it is:

Reply to tgraf66 (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:33 AM

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Proclamation 4311 was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

I was very into all that, then, but didn't remember the details. So, any crimes he might have committed as president. I'm surprised that was possible. I'm inclined to think the office of the presidency is what made that kind of blanket pardon possible but I don't know.

Mariana

(15,095 posts)

10. Nixon was never charged with a crime.

Reply to soandso (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:30 AM

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soandso

(1,155 posts)

11. But was pardoned, in advance in case he was

Reply to Mariana (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:39 PM

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Wanderlust988

(583 posts)

5. Biden can give a blanket pardon

Reply to orleans (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:07 AM

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With him having absolute immunity on his pardon powers, it should be legal.

canuckledragger

(1,925 posts)

8. The thing that you don't understand is...

Reply to Wanderlust988 (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:03 AM

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That absolute immunity is for Trump only.

The corrupt conservative supreme court will never let Biden do anything that gets in the way of their agenda, and would manufacture reasons why any action he takes they don't like doesn't apply. The same way they ignored established law to overturn Roe vs Wade, the (can't remember the actual name) voting act that kept the racist southern states from making changes to screw over black voters without approval, etc.

electric_blue68

(17,978 posts)

9. He should it anyway and "challege" SCOTUS

Reply to canuckledragger (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 05:01 AM

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Meowmee

(5,467 posts)

7. I hope he does

Reply to orleans (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 03:49 AM

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