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Public opinions on cultural issues. (Original Post) Mosby Nov 18 OP
The leadership chose the wrong hills to die on, and millions will suffer dalton99a Nov 18 #1
Then why should women Keepthesoulalive Nov 18 #4
Could not agree more BannonsLiver Nov 18 #7
Please explain what exactly you mean karynnj Nov 18 #32
This covers it Vegan4life Nov 18 #2
Since when do progressives hate Israel? Lonestarblue Nov 18 #3
No they dont. Mosby Nov 18 #5
Settlers in the West Bank peregrinus Nov 18 #12
All of the US is "stolen land". Mosby Nov 18 #15
Mandatory Palestine peregrinus Nov 18 #18
All land DeepWinter Nov 18 #34
I believe that Jews are indigenous to the Levant. Mosby Nov 18 #39
The boys in girls sports and puberty blockers issues are WILDLY UNPOPULAR with the public BannonsLiver Nov 18 #6
It's bull droppings manufactured by the republicans Keepthesoulalive Nov 18 #8
Sure it is. BannonsLiver Nov 18 #9
Sarcasm emote not needed. W_HAMILTON Nov 18 #16
perception is reality RJ_MacReady Nov 18 #21
They did plenty. What exactly do you propose that they should have done? W_HAMILTON Nov 18 #25
I don't have all the answers RJ_MacReady Nov 18 #28
Says who? W_HAMILTON Nov 18 #29
what's out psoition? RJ_MacReady Nov 18 #31
It is a small segment. And if you claim it's bigger, it's bigger because of rightwing propaganda... W_HAMILTON Nov 18 #36
I think if our future nominee is asked whether they support the sport issue BannonsLiver Nov 18 #23
And then the Republicans will just find some other """special interest group""" to rail against... W_HAMILTON Nov 18 #27
You've convinced me. BannonsLiver Nov 18 #30
I mean, they sort of are. W_HAMILTON Nov 18 #33
Absolutely BannonsLiver Nov 18 #35
Little ricky gets on the school bus a boy. Keepthesoulalive Nov 18 #22
I'm sorry you feel that way. BannonsLiver Nov 18 #26
I didn't say it Keepthesoulalive Nov 18 #37
That's such a small issue though. Elessar Zappa Nov 18 #13
That would be something I think we'll have to take up with the American people. BannonsLiver Nov 18 #19
I don't give a shit peregrinus Nov 18 #10
Lol. Mosby Nov 18 #11
He's a Musk suck up peregrinus Nov 18 #14
I miss Unrec...nt SidDithers Nov 18 #17
I'm sorry, but that guy is just lying ThePartyThatListens Nov 18 #20
This is the BULLSHIT! The real progressive issues like raising the fed minimum wage and expanding medicaid never enters In It to Win It Nov 18 #24
Well this went well. BannonsLiver Nov 18 #38
... BannonsLiver Jan 4 #40

dalton99a

(85,556 posts)
1. The leadership chose the wrong hills to die on, and millions will suffer
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 11:18 AM
Nov 18

Just stick with economic issues and focus on economic issues



Keepthesoulalive

(943 posts)
4. Then why should women
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 11:31 AM
Nov 18

Minorities , immigrants, environmentalists and so many others vote for democrats.
People were fed propaganda from the right wing and legacy media. Focusing on the economy only will not fire up the base. The democrats are great for the economy but the media went for the circus not the truth. We must include everyone but the maga.

karynnj

(60,072 posts)
32. Please explain what exactly you mean
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:15 PM
Nov 18

On guns and abortion, the public was with us.

On Israel, the chart ASSIGNS the Hamas side as blue. In fact, Biden and Harris were vocal in support of Israel and the administration led 2 efforts to protect Israel from Hamas. Harris won the Jewish vote at normal Democratic levels.

The other things show that the Republican have made trans issues a winning issue for them. However, no Democrat MADE this the issue.

America has long had a strong xenophobic undercurrent that clearly was used by Trump and Vance. They gave white Christian supremacists the permission to come out in public. We did not make that the issue, but had to respond to some degree.

What Biden and Harris made the biggest issues were the economy and democracy. The former did not work because to too many people 2024 was harder economically for them than memories of 2017 thru 2019. The fact that the economy recovered better than any other country and than any expert projections did not convince people who felt things were worse.

On democracy, it may be that people leaning to or on the other side saw "democracy" to mean voting for their side to be in power. The fear we, I still believe legitimately, felt that Trump winning could end democracy was rejected by them. Sadly, the election may show many bought Trump's lie that his legal problems were persecution - even though the fraud proven in his business preceded his first team.

Lonestarblue

(12,125 posts)
3. Since when do progressives hate Israel?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 11:27 AM
Nov 18

The majority of progressives have supported Israel’s right to exist for decades. Yes, some progressives support Palestinians’ right to have their country, following the 1948 plan, but most progressives support Israel also. As a progressive, I do not support Netanyahu and his right-wing government because I think their war on Hanas has been waged without concern for civilians, and I support international law that is intended to prevent an occupier from resettling its own citizens in occupied territory , as Israel is doing in the West Bank.

 

peregrinus

(409 posts)
18. Mandatory Palestine
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:57 PM
Nov 18

Jews were always the minority in Palestine until Israel was created and neo-colonial practices created a Jewish majority. You clearly believe that Jews have a right to that land by force.

DeepWinter

(739 posts)
34. All land
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:18 PM
Nov 18

everywhere has been taken by force at one time or another. Dozens of times. Dozens of dozens of times. National boundaries, regional boundaries, tribal boundaries have ebbed and flowed since we picked up a rock and club. This idea of "we want our land back" is laughable. History is arguing over land the last 7,000 years, and you really only "own" it while you can defend it with your blood.

Mosby

(17,910 posts)
39. I believe that Jews are indigenous to the Levant.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:36 PM
Nov 18

And Arabs are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula.

Arabs conquered MENA via killing and raping and pillaging. Why else is Egypt, Morocco, Libya, Tunisia Muslim?

Where did Jordan come from?

BannonsLiver

(18,469 posts)
6. The boys in girls sports and puberty blockers issues are WILDLY UNPOPULAR with the public
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:06 PM
Nov 18

Lessons learned that the party is in a bit of a bubble. That needs to change.

Keepthesoulalive

(943 posts)
8. It's bull droppings manufactured by the republicans
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:43 PM
Nov 18

They told the most egregious lies about others and dumb asses believed them. They made up false issues to fire up lizards brains and that nonsense worked. So we should just focus on economics as they put many Americans in harm’s way. No thank you.

W_HAMILTON

(8,631 posts)
16. Sarcasm emote not needed.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:54 PM
Nov 18

The other poster was absolutely correct -- or do you honestly think those issues you mentioned were some sort of major central plank of the Democratic platform this year?

 

RJ_MacReady

(448 posts)
21. perception is reality
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:59 PM
Nov 18

Its irrelevant if it was part of the platform. A large segment of voters believed it was. And our party did nothing to counter it which lead to people to think it was true.

W_HAMILTON

(8,631 posts)
25. They did plenty. What exactly do you propose that they should have done?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:03 PM
Nov 18

Spend more time talking about this non-issue than talking about issues that actually impact the lives of everyday Americans?

Be virulently anti-trans like most Republicans?

People who thought this was some big campaign issue already have their """perceptions""" cemented by rightwing propaganda and no one has found a way to overcome that bullshit. If people choose to believe lies over truth, how exactly do you counter that? Tell us.

 

RJ_MacReady

(448 posts)
28. I don't have all the answers
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:09 PM
Nov 18

Those anti trans ads during football were very effective. The clip of Kamala talking about gender care for inmates angered a lot of people. Our position should be this is best kept at the local level between the parties involved.

W_HAMILTON

(8,631 posts)
29. Says who?
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:12 PM
Nov 18

And that is our position.

If, in this case, a small segment of voters, are going to believe Republican lies over Democrats, what makes you believe that there is anything Democrats can do to change that, much less actually win their vote?

W_HAMILTON

(8,631 posts)
36. It is a small segment. And if you claim it's bigger, it's bigger because of rightwing propaganda...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:22 PM
Nov 18

...not because there are millions across the nation dealing with the rampant problems of trans athletes.

And what about Seth Moulton? The fact you are bringing up a Democrat criticizing trans people goes against your narrative. And his comments are not going to win over one Republican vote that thinks this is some big issue, but he might lose some LGBT votes. So how does that help us?

BannonsLiver

(18,469 posts)
23. I think if our future nominee is asked whether they support the sport issue
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:01 PM
Nov 18

Then they should have the space to answer freely without fear of cancellation from special interest groups.

But hey stay in the bubble. It’s working great! If we just ignore and write off everyone who doesn’t see eye to eye with us we will surely win the next cycle. We just have to ignore them a little harder and we’ve got it!

W_HAMILTON

(8,631 posts)
27. And then the Republicans will just find some other """special interest group""" to rail against...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:08 PM
Nov 18

...and I suppose your recommendation on how to handle that is have Democrats knife them in the back as well? Where do the knives stop at? Gay people? Black people? Women? Who are you willing to not throw under the bus to win over bigoted voters that were never going to vote for Democrats anyway because they are WILLINGLY inundated with anti-Democratic propaganda everyday by the rightwing bullshit they listen to?

And who's in the bubble here? How many trans people have you met in real life? Are trans people competing in sports a big issue where you live?

W_HAMILTON

(8,631 posts)
33. I mean, they sort of are.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:17 PM
Nov 18

If they believe that children are hopping on the bus as Ricky and coming back Lucy and that immigrants are stealing American pets and eating them -- are you telling me that's not fucking absolutely moronic?

BannonsLiver

(18,469 posts)
35. Absolutely
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:21 PM
Nov 18

And you’ve hit on a great strategy for 2028. Our candidates should tell the voters how stupid they are, but in a nice way.

Keepthesoulalive

(943 posts)
22. Little ricky gets on the school bus a boy.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:59 PM
Nov 18

And comes home he’s Lucy had a sex change operation in school.

Keepthesoulalive

(943 posts)
37. I didn't say it
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:23 PM
Nov 18

Republicans did along with eating the family pet, they’re coming for your guns, don’t say woke and many more things to demonize others and if the democrats won’t speak up in our defense why should we volunteer donate and vote. Women are dying because they can’t get the medical care they need and he joked about it.

Elessar Zappa

(16,261 posts)
13. That's such a small issue though.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:49 PM
Nov 18

Are there really one issue voters out there that vote Republican just because of the sports debate?

BannonsLiver

(18,469 posts)
19. That would be something I think we'll have to take up with the American people.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:58 PM
Nov 18

There are voters who make decisions on a wide array of issues that don’t make any sense to us, but alas, they do it anyway.

 
20. I'm sorry, but that guy is just lying
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 12:58 PM
Nov 18

Progressives don't hate Israel.

He sounds identical to a run-of-the-mill Republican spewing that crap

I hope his constituents are paying attention.

In It to Win It

(9,927 posts)
24. This is the BULLSHIT! The real progressive issues like raising the fed minimum wage and expanding medicaid never enters
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:03 PM
Nov 18

the chat. The economic progressive issues they never want to talk about.

Instead, he wants to frame "progressivism" as this bullshit that nobody runs on. He's doing the rightwing media's job for them. He bought their bullshit.

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