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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestions about deportation that I don't hear being asked of the felon and his Magats
Trump has said that deportation will start with the "criminals". Now we all know that Trump intends to make anyone he doesn't like into a "criminal", but for the sake of argument let's just pretend he really means actual criminals. If we are to pretend Trump means actual criminals then the following questions should be asked:
If they are criminals, that means they have been caught breaking a law and are currently at some stage in our legal system. They are either awaiting trial, awaiting sentencing, or serving a sentence. At what point will they be taken out of our legal system and deported?
Does this mean that criminals will be taken out of our jails and courts, flown to other countries and set free, totally getting away with their crimes?
Will we have agreements with those other countries to carry through with any sentencing given to such criminals, or will they be essentially pardoned for their deeds?
Are other countries going to go along with the idea of the United States sending them our prisoners?
How dumb does anyone have to be to think such a plan will work?
We already know the answer to the last one, but I think it needs asked anyway.
FSogol
(46,510 posts)Therefore, they'll consider anyone a criminal that cannot prove otherwise.
Walleye
(35,658 posts)sop
(11,179 posts)And anyone who can't produce (what Trump and his MAGA henchmen consider to be) proper documentation will be snatched up on the spot and sent to government holding camps to await deportation.
Maybe "legal" immigrants can wear some sort of symbol on their clothing to avoid being rounded up by Trump's goons? A star perhaps?
Walleye
(35,658 posts)mucifer
(24,828 posts)future don't have souls.
Ohioboy
(3,462 posts)I'm tired of their bullshit reality that exists only in their heads.
FSogol
(46,510 posts)demonized as "illegals" by Trump and Vance.
Most people here w/o papers came here legally on a business, tourist, or student visa and overstayed. The perception that they all came over the border from Mexico is grade A republican bullshit.
MichMan
(13,160 posts)Per current laws, pretty certain that means they are no longer here legally.
FSogol
(46,510 posts)Ohioboy
(3,462 posts)Trump can't come out and say he wants to deport asylum seekers, so he makes it sound like he's talking about actual law breakers.
He needs to answer how that's supposed to work, and no one in the media seems to ask him.
MichMan
(13,160 posts)Per current laws, they are expected to self deport and return to their country of origin.
lame54
(36,881 posts)It's gonna be like dumping your trash can into your neighbors pool
Lovie777
(14,996 posts)dweller
(25,037 posts)That Texas and Florida Govs bussed to blue states ?
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MrWowWow
(381 posts)And by the way, how is this being paid for? Will the U.S. have a Black Friday sale on T-bills to cover this mass deportation operation?
Трамп may have just spewed this bullshit during the campaign to pander for votes. Time will tell.
Lovie777
(14,996 posts)Not. Got me.
It is not supposed to "work" - whatever that means. It is supposed to terrorize one group of working people and divide and conquer the working class in general.
Mass extra-legal arrests, detention camps, and deportation - all of which has already been happening - is far, far more feasible than humane immigration reform ever has been in the US.
Dismantle, Dont Expand: The 1996 Immigration Laws
The last major revisions to U.S. immigration laws were made in 1996 under President Clinton. Shorthanded as the 96 Laws, the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (AEDPA) and the Illegal Immigration Reform & Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) radically remade immigration enforcement to adopt criminal laws harshest elementsincluding mass incarceration, discriminatory policing, and unforgiving sentencingand exposed millions of longtime residents to forced deportation.
Since the passage of the 96 Laws, the federal government has diverted tens of billions of dollars to enforce and expand this abusive immigration framework. In this time, the U.S. has forcibly removed close to 5 million immigrants from the countrymore than double the number of people it deported in the 110 years priorestablishing itself as home to the largest deportation system in the world.
While administrations have changed, the constant result has been the breaking apart of hundreds of thousands of families, weakening of local economies and communities, and widening of racial inequalities.
https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/dismantle-1996/
Operation Wetback
In 1951 President Trumans Commission on Migratory Labor released a report blaming low wages in the Southwest and social ills on illegal immigration: The magnitude
has reached entirely new levels in the past 7 years.
In its newly achieved proportions, it is virtually an invasion, the report said. After touring Southern California in August 1953 to assess the impact of illegal immigration, President Dwight D. Eisenhowers Attorney General, Herbert Brownell, Jr., pushed Congress to enact sanctions against employers of undocumented workers and to confiscate the vehicles that were used to bring them to the United States.While neither proposal became law, the administration moved forward on plans for a deportation operation. On June 9, 1954, INS Commissioner General Joseph Swing announced the commencement of Operation Wetback.The first phase of the operation began in California and Arizona. Its effectiveness depended on publicity as well as manpower. Extensive media coverage that often exaggerated the strength of the Border Patrol, as well as targeted displays of strength, gave the impression of a greater force. In many regions, this strategy convinced thousands who had entered the U.S. illegally to repatriate voluntarily. In Texas, for example, more than 63,000 individuals returned to Mexico of their own volition; U.S. officials detained an additional 42,000 persons in July 1954. An INS report later indicated that the agency apprehended nearly 1.1 million individuals. The INS operation won at least tacit support from several key groups; the Mexican government, labor groups, and even Mexican-American civil rights groups acknowledged the labor problem, but they withheld extensive criticism. While the raids disrupted the growing seasons in California and Arizona, the government pacified farm owners with promises of additional bracero labor. Though the program was touted as a success, its effects were short-lived; illegal entry exploded again after the United States terminated the Bracero Program in 1964.
https://immigrationhistory.org/item/operation-wetback/
Sixty years ago this May, the U.S. Border Patrol enacted Operation Wetback, a campaign to deport Mexican workers who were in the country illegally. The program succeeded in rounding up over 1 million people, most of them men. Just two years before Operation Wetback, the Border Patrol had deported half as many people. This new policy marked the beginning of modern deportation raids and the militarization of the border that we are familiar with today.
https://origins.osu.edu/milestones/may-2014-immigrant-deportations-today-and-continuing-legacy-operation-wetback
Irish_Dem
(57,349 posts)What being an illegal and criminal mean.
Skittles
(159,240 posts)AND A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK but of course all these MAGAt WORSHIP HIM