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bluesbassman

(19,824 posts)
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:49 PM Monday

Can we really discuss "political differences" with MAGA cultists?

I keep hearing variations on the idea of political differences and that those "differences" shouldn't alienate us from family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, or just about anyone who happens to have a "political belief" that includes the doctrine of MAGA. Sure like any lie MAGA can contain some grains of truth, and I suppose that's what sucks in some of the folks we find it baffling to see get aligned with the cult, but after nine years of experiencing the lies and propaganda, after witnessing the speeches full of nothing but grievance and retribution, after seeing the intent to install a cabinet that will surely make it's mission on of fundamentally dismantling our institutions, do we really have anything worthwhile to "discuss" the cult members? I see their posts every day on the various social media platforms where they gleefully revel in the carnage the Trump is bringing. Of course they are too ignorant to understand what is happening, but the fact that Liberals are concerned about it is making them ecstatic! Their Savior is owning the Libs! Tell me how THAT is a political difference that I can have an intelligent conversation about. Seriously, I'd love to know how that's done.

No, I'm sorry, those aren't political differences. That's fundamental differences in morality, character, and ethics. Those people who have embraced the MAGA cult have finally shown us who and what they are, and I don't want any part of them.

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Can we really discuss "political differences" with MAGA cultists? (Original Post) bluesbassman Monday OP
they support fascism Skittles Monday #1
Yep. All wrapped up in an American flag. bluesbassman Monday #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Monday #3
I hear that Skittles Monday #6
"political differences" is a euphemism, a dodge, a lie... And a cowardly one at that. RockRaven Monday #4
Would you like to discuss politics with Hitler or Stalin? Irish_Dem Monday #5
The answer is no. Blue Full Moon Monday #7
That's pretty much the feeling I get from the majority of them. My way or the hiway. bluesbassman Monday #13
No. They live in a different reality. One not bound by common Sense and empathy. yourout Monday #8
True, and that makes them constantly on the offensive. bluesbassman Monday #14
You can't reason with cult members. Their worldview is completely removed from reality. usonian Monday #9
They interactions with them at the rallies by some of the journalists were mind boggling. bluesbassman Monday #15
You really have to dumb it down. There is an educational divide. kerry-is-my-prez Monday #10
True for a lot of them. My BIL graduated with a BA and he voted for TSF 3 times. bluesbassman Monday #16
Why would you even try? Mariana Monday #11
Excellent point. bluesbassman Monday #17
Better to The Wizard Monday #12
LOL. I don't do that either! bluesbassman Monday #18
MAGA is normalizing and amplifying the racist/xenophobia thoughts out loud... EarthFirst Monday #19

bluesbassman

(19,824 posts)
2. Yep. All wrapped up in an American flag.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:52 PM
Monday

Makes me sick to my stomach when one of them "thanks me for my service".

Response to bluesbassman (Reply #2)

RockRaven

(16,279 posts)
4. "political differences" is a euphemism, a dodge, a lie... And a cowardly one at that.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:54 PM
Monday

You are correct that it is an issue of morals and character. One which is only made more glaring by their trying to avoid accountability for what they have done and continue to do.

Blue Full Moon

(1,169 posts)
7. The answer is no.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:56 PM
Monday

I worked with them for 30 yrs. No you can't. They have to have it their way or not at all. They only care about their side winning and annihilate the enemy.

bluesbassman

(19,824 posts)
13. That's pretty much the feeling I get from the majority of them. My way or the hiway.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:44 PM
Monday

They aren't interested in anyone else's point of view.

yourout

(8,071 posts)
8. No. They live in a different reality. One not bound by common Sense and empathy.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:00 PM
Monday

Their reality is a cruel dog eat dog world with no time for compassion and utter disdain for intelligence.

usonian

(13,848 posts)
9. You can't reason with cult members. Their worldview is completely removed from reality.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:04 PM
Monday

Skilled therapists take years to get them out of their wormhole, and that's only after they agree that they need help. Otherwise, it's adversarial and that does not work. It only reinforces their separation.

Disclaimer: I am not a psychologist, nor a therapist.
Only a realist.

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,204 posts)
10. You really have to dumb it down. There is an educational divide.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:08 PM
Monday

If you look at the polls, people with advanced degrees and college degrees are more apt to vote Democratic. If you turn on Fox News, after always watching PBS or MSNBC you will see a drastic difference between the language levels.

bluesbassman

(19,824 posts)
16. True for a lot of them. My BIL graduated with a BA and he voted for TSF 3 times.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:51 PM
Monday

He's just completely brainwashed by RW hate media.

bluesbassman

(19,824 posts)
17. Excellent point.
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:54 PM
Monday

I really don't try. My lament here was due to people continuously admonishing us to try to "reach" the MAGAs. I believe it's a lost cause.

EarthFirst

(3,153 posts)
19. MAGA is normalizing and amplifying the racist/xenophobia thoughts out loud...
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 07:56 PM
Monday

The proverbial “good ole days…”

They don’t give a shit; nor do they understand or comprehend or attempt to educate themselves on policy.

So no; there is no discussion with MAGA.

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