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Earthrise

(15,704 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:51 AM Tuesday

Kamala and Tim want to know if there is anything they can say so I'll donate to the election fight fund...

I am getting inundated with requests to donate so Harris-Walz can defend Dem candidates whose elections haven’t yet been called.

So, what could they say to motivate me to donate?

Hmmmmm…. Let me think…. I’ve got it:

THEY

COULD

SAY

THEY

WILL BE

HAND COUNTING

SWING

STATE

BALLOTS

!!!!!!!!!

Why? A few months from now when images of Christian Nationalist Militias and/or the U.S. Military pointing rifles in the faces of children who have a family member that isn’t documented appear online, the fact that swing state ballots were not hand counted will add to the horror.

Are they afraid people will call them rude names? Acuse them of trying to steal the election?

I am disgusted.

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Kamala and Tim want to know if there is anything they can say so I'll donate to the election fight fund... (Original Post) Earthrise Tuesday OP
Count. Count. Count. Catbird Tuesday #1
How do we get someone's attention? Earthrise Tuesday #2
Unlike Trump, they are not going to bilk their supporters out of millions of dollars tritsofme Tuesday #3
The "Blame Harris" train has left the station Sympthsical Tuesday #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Tuesday #14
The Brennan Justice Center wrote a report maybe 10 years ago, saying the two components of a safe system are: Earthrise Tuesday #20
I gave to their campaign and act blue several times Mossfern Tuesday #5
Nope. NO MORE MONEY! ramedy Tuesday #6
I unsubscribed. nt Gore1FL Tuesday #7
you sure it's actually them? mopinko Tuesday #8
I think it is them - the format, content, and repetition are similar to what I received prior to the election. Earthrise Tuesday #12
No matter the party, the people are just pawns in their game... polichick Tuesday #9
Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 - - - ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #10
His magic bullet ballot theory is entirely discredited. This guy is a loon. tritsofme Tuesday #11
Link? nt justaprogressive Tuesday #13
The math is impossible. tritsofme Tuesday #15
I have unsubscribed from all email and texts ZonkerHarris Tuesday #16
They have received more than 1.2 billion dollars in donations. republianmushroom Tuesday #17
Hmmmm... I thought it was 1.5 billion. What's 0.3 billion dollars anyway? Chump change. Earthrise Tuesday #18
1.2 Billion was the last time I looked before the election. 1.5 Billion is probably closer. republianmushroom Tuesday #19

Earthrise

(15,704 posts)
2. How do we get someone's attention?
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:01 AM
Tuesday

Without some sort of group presenting the request, individual efforts won’t work.

tritsofme

(18,509 posts)
3. Unlike Trump, they are not going to bilk their supporters out of millions of dollars
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:04 AM
Tuesday

to fund pointless recounts just because some random election deniers are pushing baseless conspiracy theories on the internet.

Sympthsical

(10,221 posts)
4. The "Blame Harris" train has left the station
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:15 AM
Tuesday

Almost as if that is one intent in all this.

1. Seed a conspiracy theory.
2. Sow discord and chaos.
3. Distract people from the incoming shitstorm with an obsession over rigged elections that will damage party credibility.
4. Get their own supporters to blame Democrats for "not fighting" (I've already seen this and people calling Democrats cowards on this very website)
5. Profit.

And people want to do this work for the Right. Free of charge.

It's amazing how easy it is. It should be harder for this kind of obvious trolling to succeed, but here we are.

Response to tritsofme (Reply #3)

Earthrise

(15,704 posts)
20. The Brennan Justice Center wrote a report maybe 10 years ago, saying the two components of a safe system are:
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 05:19 PM
Tuesday

Voter-marked paper ballots AND automatic hand counts of randomly selected precincts in each county of a state.

I'm way past sick and tired of the conspiracy theories on their side and our side. Nonetheless, I know enough about computer programming to know that it's essential to do automatic hand counts of randomly selected precincts in each county to be fully confident that the results are correct.

I have no theories about why or how fraud might have occurred - if it did occur. If I had such a theory, it would be baseless.

Rebuilding trust in our elections requires BOTH voter-marked paper ballots AND automatic hand counts of randomly selected precincts in each county of a state.

Automatic hand counts don't happen in any of the swing states. So, pick one randomly and hand-count it.

Mossfern

(3,171 posts)
5. I gave to their campaign and act blue several times
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:21 AM
Tuesday

I also gave to their post election campaign a few times. I get several emails a day asking for me to donate.
It's got to a point that I'm not spending on stuff that I need for myself -so I'm done- tapped out.

I feel bad, but then I get angry with those who whine and complain, but don't chip in anything. These are far from poor people.

ramedy

(119 posts)
6. Nope. NO MORE MONEY!
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:28 AM
Tuesday

They spent a BILLION dollars.

I donated a substantial amount.

No more. I’m done.

The email panhandling is a disgrace.

Earthrise

(15,704 posts)
12. I think it is them - the format, content, and repetition are similar to what I received prior to the election.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:44 AM
Tuesday

I am very cautious about emails, calls, and texts requesting money - I don't click on links or give out any personal information. I donate only through an organization's official website. The Harris/Walz site was linked to ActBlue, my favorite verified safe way of donating.

I received multiple highly suspect texts and one call. The person on the call asked if I could donate, and I told them I had already donated to Harris/Walz, the DCCC, DSCC, and several individual candidates. They didn't recognize the DCCC or DSCC, so I hustled off the phone.

polichick

(37,621 posts)
9. No matter the party, the people are just pawns in their game...
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:02 AM
Tuesday

In this case, Dems prematurely surrendered - the Constitution, our country, our allies, the planet, with no explanation - and still expect more money.

10. Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 - - -
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:16 AM
Tuesday

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 -



The Steven Spoonamore interview starts at approx. 02:16:30 to 02:28:45. [link:https://www.youtube.com/live/5s4iCxtf_Js

https://www.youtube.com/@thomhartmann/videos - https://www.thomhartmann.com/

Stephen Spoonamore - Duty to Warn Letter - to VP Harris - Re: Election 2024 - Nov 15, 2024 - https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
November 15, 2024
Honorable VP Kamala Harris
The White House
Office of the Vice President
1600 Pennsylvania Ave
Washington DC 20500
Dear Madam Vice President.
This is my second Duty to Warn Letter regarding hacking of the 2024 Presidential Election. The first letter on November 7 was directed to Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Officials. Both warnings are made per DNI Clapper’s 2015 directive to all agencies and contractors associated with intelligence and financial agency technologies to warn of suspicions of hacking.
Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments DoD, DHS, Dept. of State, F100 Financials and F500 Industrials.
I am a lifelong Republican who has long placed service and participatory democracy over party. In government, I have twice been invited to SoCom to give lectures on electronic warfare and techniques to find terrorist money laundering and gave a keynote speech of the National Counterintel Summit on this same topic. I served as an after-action reviewer of communications and data failures on 9/11 under the direction of Jim Woolsey and FDNY Commissioner Scopetta, and later co-wrote multiple hacking risk analysis of Smart Grid technologies for the Obama administration.
You should reverse your concession, call for both a full investigation of criminal activity and demand hand recounts in all seven swing states.
In my professional view there are multiple and extremely clear indications the Presidential vote was willfully compromised.
I wholly agree with the public letter of Duncan Buell, et. al. of Nov. 13th stating they believe there is a possibility of hacking and calling for hand-recounts.
https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf
This letter’s clear call to action is commendable, but its cautious tone may belie the severity of what I believe has happened. In my view it is a near certainty the results have been changed at a scale which reversed the US Presidential Election. They imply there is a chance a hand-recount will show you won more votes. I am stating a hand recount will most likely show you did win. Both letters call on you to act.
In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. I will lay out the basics of the attack, starting with unusual elements within the results. I will then outline two processes which could have been followed to insert these false results into the system. Finally I will outline how I would recommend investigating.
Unusual elements within the results.
The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.
Approximately 600,000 votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the Presidential race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other states including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted votes raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.
This attack is not technically difficult. It is modest in scale. It would require:
Modest and common computer programming skills.
Access to 10-100 tabulators or to the handful of facilities programming them in advance.
A credible database of voter IDs of non-voters around which to create false ballots.
Perhaps as few as 1, but more likely 3-5 human program managers.
Access to eBollBook Data during the election to determine who had not voted.
(Possibly) Human access to some tabulators during counting.
If I was asked to lead this hack, I would expect to have a core team of 6-10 people, and operating costs under $10M with a timeline of 3-12 months.
The tell: A historically absurd number of Trump-only bullet ballots or undervote ballots.
There are always a handful of voters who cast a vote in one race which they care about, and do not make other selections on the ballot. These are called bullet ballots. In Presidential Races since 1980, these bullet ballots rarely account for more than 1% of the total votes including in Mr. Trump’s winning 2016 election and losing 2020 election, and when they do it warrants further investigation. In 2024 in the 43 non-swing states, bullet ballots make up a nominal >1%. In the seven swing states the numbers are so high to be unbelievable, unprecedented and demanding of further investigation. Here is analysis from totals as of late Nov. 12th
Here are the unprecedented results of drop-offs in the two western swing states:
AZ - 123K+ 7.2%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome.
NV - 43K+ 5.5%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to exceed recount threshold.
It is my belief these two states have illegally added votes.
For comparison, examine Trump’s 2024 results in three states which border AZ and NV. They have equally passionate Trump supporters, but have the normal levels of drop off or bullet ballots.
ID

republianmushroom

(17,612 posts)
19. 1.2 Billion was the last time I looked before the election. 1.5 Billion is probably closer.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:49 PM
Tuesday

1.5 Billion is probably closer. 0.3 Billion to politicians, pocket change.

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