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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWords from the wise - a few comments from the WaPo about trump's plan to overhaul Medicaid, etc.
From a friend.
John Kenneth Galbraith (1908 - 2006)
(From his speech Wealth and Poverty, National Policy Committee on Pockets of Poverty, 13 Dec 1963)
John Maynard Keynes (18831946)
Louis Brandeis (18561941)
(Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, 1916-1939)
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)We will now be told that it does not have the money to fund the safety net for old age.
The safety net we all paid for during our working lives.
The billionaires will now take all out of our money under the further pretense of "privatization."
Yet of course there is plenty of money for billionaire tax cuts.
For the salaries, perks, pensions for privileged politicians.
And trillion dollar boondoggles to get a man on Mars.
Frank D. Lincoln
(606 posts)Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)There is more than enough blame to go around.
Frank D. Lincoln
(606 posts)Let me give you an example.
There's a manager where I work at who voted for Trump. When I told him that Trump was going to implement Project 2025 when he returns to power, this manager told me not to worry. He said he had done his research on Project 2025, told me that he himself was strongly against it, but that there was no cause to worry because Trump said he was not involved with it. I didn't even bother to try to explain how obvious it was that Trump lied when he said that. If he couldn't figure that out even after doing "research," then he's a lost cause.
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)Putin/Trump/GOP took stupid Americans to the dark underbelly of human nature.
ShazzieB
(18,641 posts)I definitely believe that a LOT of people who voted for Trump are stupid, gullible, unimaginative, and very poorly informed, but not evil. I think a lot of them lack the initiative to fully inform themselves, which an unattractive trait but not one I would necessarily consider evil.
There are a lot of selfish, stupid people who are Trump supporters.
10 Turtle Day
(442 posts)And will double down when presented with facts.
ShazzieB
(18,641 posts)I definitely believe that a LOT of people who voted for Trump are stupid, gullible, and very poorly informed, but not necessarily evil.
Trump himself is undoubtedly evil, as are many of those close to him. I believe some of his supporters are evil, but I think a lot of them are just stupid, gullible people who have been taken in by his promises to "fight" for them and make things "better." It's a damned shame that so many people are that stupid, but much as we may deplore it, they are.
Dismissing them all as evil is too easy for me, a vast oversimplification that I'm not comfortable signing on to.
milestogo
(17,786 posts)Yes there are other horrible leaders, past and present. But the word nasty seems like it was made for him.
Blue Full Moon
(1,153 posts)maxsolomon
(35,036 posts)They appear to be 3 quotes from Galbraith, Keynes, and Brandies.
And they're not about Trump's overhaul plans, either.
Martin68
(24,597 posts)there are very few media sources where you would find those quotes of that caliber.
erronis
(16,825 posts)They were extracted from the comments and made into the OP.
calimary
(84,306 posts)Martin68
(24,597 posts)throw their weight towards Biden (which wouldn't have made an iota of difference in the outcome of the election). It is one of the last remaining sources of we-informed, intelligent reporting and commentary.
H2O Man
(75,452 posts)Mountain Mule
(1,031 posts)I would just like to say that I'm happy to lay down my life so that Musk and other zillionaires can get a much needed tax break. And I am delighted with my fellow Americans who voted for expletive deleted in order to bring us to such a sorry pass.
Karma13612
(4,677 posts)Im 70, and rely on SS and Medicare. I happen to be very happy with my Aetna Medicare Advantage plan, much to the dismay of many here.
Fingers crossed we survive this next 4 years.
OhioBack2Blue
(16 posts) John Maynard Keynes (18831946)
I said something similar to a friend just before election day when she asked me how I was feeling about the election. I said:
You want me to put my hope in a bunch of white men and women who have attacked every single minority in the US with vicious hate, and I am one of them, a group of people who are racist, sexists, ableists, misogynists, anti-LGBT, anti-trans,etc. ..... yeah, no, I do not have a lot of faith they will care about us at all.
tirebiter
(2,587 posts)HAB911
(9,360 posts)is celebrating with champagne, down below
spanone
(137,531 posts)DemonGoddess
(5,123 posts)niyad
(119,875 posts)mouthpiece for that destruction.
Ranting Randy
(93 posts)Abolishinist
(1,961 posts)"I queried a number of Keynesian scholars. Their responses are below, listed alphabetically."
https://stevecotler.com/2009/07/07/keynes-nastiest-wickedest-capitalism/
Thomas Cate, professor of economics, Northern Kentucky University, specializing in the economics of John Maynard Keynes:
I do not believe that this quote is by Keynes. It appears to be a re-wording of something said by Adam Smith about the business community.
J. Bradford DeLong, professor of economics, University of California at Berkeley, and former deputy assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury:
Ive never seen it.
Alexander Kirby, Associate Professor of American History and Government, University of Wisconsin-Stout:
Beats me, which is why Id never use it in a scholarly source.
Michael S. Lawlor, Professor of Economics, Wake Forest University, co-author of New Perspectives on Keynes (1995):
The quotation you cite is unfamiliar to me.
N. Gregory Mankiw, Robert M. Beren Professor of Economics, Harvard University, and former chief of the Presidents Council of Economic Advisors (he even has a dog named Keynes!):
I dont know where the quotation comes from.
Allan Meltzer, University Professor of Political Economy, Carnegie Mellon Tepper School of Business:
I read most of Keyness published papers. I never saw it.
Donald E. Moggridge, Professor of Economics, University of Toronto:
The quotation is fabricated.
James M. Rock, Emeritus Professor of Economics, University of Utah:
I think it is bogus.
Robert Skidelsky, Emeritus Professor of Political Economy at the University of Warwick and author of a prize-winning, three-volume biography of Keynes:
One of the fictions.
Luigi Zingales, Robert C. McCormack Professor of Entrepreneurship and Finance, University of Chicago Booth School of Business:
I have never heard of it.