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JMCKUSICK

(383 posts) Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:28 PM Tuesday

I'm going to preface what I say with

I wish I could believe all this bullet ballot "stuff"but I've listened to eight years of I got cheated on rigged votes and so maybe I'm throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
This all needs facts period. We have thousand of daily readers and if anyone wants to start looking for Facts, there's one you can ascertain with absolute certainty.
DID MY VOTE GET COUNTED FOR THE PEOPLE I VOTED FOR?
Until some hard factual cases arise, we end up looking just like all those bozos we laughed at for the last few years.
I'll close with the single most profound observation made by a reader that I read today. (Paraphrasing)
If there was evidence of fraud in this election, don't you think VP Harris and team, ESPECIALLY Mark Elias would be all over it regardless of cost?
I'm pretty cool trusting the EXPERTS on my team to make that determination.

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I'm going to preface what I say with (Original Post) JMCKUSICK Tuesday OP

Thank you. Biophilic Tuesday #1

What if Marc Elias was right - but got the rip off wrong? JustAnotherGen Tuesday #2

Yes, Elias has been lazer-focussed on legal wrangling as a means to cheat... Think. Again. Tuesday #4

The only way to get "facts" and "evidence"... Think. Again. Tuesday #3

I think we would all support that... JMCKUSICK Tuesday #6

Has it occurred to you that perhaps... Think. Again. Tuesday #7

I keep thinking there's a lot going behind the scenes that we don't know about yet Lulu KC Tuesday #5

computers can be hacked LiberaBlueDem Tuesday #8

Biophilic

(4,736 posts)

1. Thank you.

Reply to JMCKUSICK (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:38 PM

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We act like they aren’t doing anything. Like we the general public know way more than our Democratic leaders. We don’t hear much probably because the media is 110% pushing the trump stories. I had faith enough to vote for them. I have no reason to believe they have suddenly become illiterate idiots who don’t know what they’re doing. Joe and his team are still in control. They are good competent people.

JustAnotherGen

(33,538 posts)

2. What if Marc Elias was right - but got the rip off wrong?

Reply to JMCKUSICK (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:43 PM

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Rolling Stone - July 2024
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-swing-state-officials-election-deniers-1235069692/

in the swing states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, Rolling Stone and American Doom identified nearly 70 pro-Trump election conspiracists currently working as county election officials who have questioned the validity of elections or delayed or refused to certify results. At least 20 of these county election officials have refused or delayed certification in recent years.

“I think we are going to see mass refusals to certify the election” in November, says Democratic election lawyer Marc Elias. “Everything we are seeing about this election is that the other side is more organized, more ruthless, and more prepared.”

Elias, the Democratic election lawyer, believes the findings in this investigation only represent “the tip of the iceberg,” because Republicans “are counting on not just that they can disrupt the election in big counties, they are counting on the fact that if they don’t certify in several small counties, you cannot certify these statewide results.”

What if he got it wrong? What if it was the wrong con job? I'm willing to entertain one of the supposed counties impacted having a hand recount - but it's going to have to come from Harris.

Think. Again.

(17,906 posts)

4. Yes, Elias has been lazer-focussed on legal wrangling as a means to cheat...

Reply to JustAnotherGen (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:15 PM

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...unfortunately, it seems this time the cheating was more old-school than that.

Think. Again.

(17,906 posts)

3. The only way to get "facts" and "evidence"...

Reply to JMCKUSICK (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:13 PM

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...is to recount.

Why are some of us afraid of doing that?

JMCKUSICK

(383 posts)

6. I think we would all support that...

Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 05:45 PM

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If the request came from Madam VP Kamala Harris.
Anyone else seriously pushing it right now is, I'm sorry to say, too far removed from the campaign itself to be taken seriously (I didn't say serious) or hoping to grift.
Every bullet ballot video I've watched included a plea for financial help.
It's now 2 weeks since election day and not a single credible (you know, included real evidence) accusation of voter fraud has been leveled.
God I wish there was a legitimate way to overturn this PTSD triggering event. I want to believe we were cheated, where did 8 million votes go?
The sad "truth" for me seems that 2020, due to Covid, made voting so easy for most Americans, that the lost votes couldn't be bothered to Mountain Dew in 2024?

Think. Again.

(17,906 posts)

7. Has it occurred to you that perhaps...

Reply to JMCKUSICK (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 06:33 PM

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...Ms. Harris, being a good faith representative of the party, is watching how many of us are scared shitless of being called bad names if we call for recounts and is only seeing so many of us fighting against a rigorous verification of these incrdible and barely believable first-count results?

Lulu KC

(4,182 posts)

5. I keep thinking there's a lot going behind the scenes that we don't know about yet

Reply to JMCKUSICK (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:31 PM

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And when we find out, it might make us very, very happy.

Let me have my dream. We all have our survival skills. This and funny movies are going to keep me alive for now.

(I was the one who lived through the Mueller investigation looking forward to indictments every Friday.)

LiberaBlueDem

(1,160 posts)

8. computers can be hacked

Reply to JMCKUSICK (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:16 PM

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there are many cases of that happening

so were vote counting computers hacked?

a recount of just two precincts per county can show us

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