So no.

And there are legal requirements for recounts. You can’t just demand one - you have to meet statutory requirements or present evidence to a judge. None of the races in the swing states meet the legal requirements, and the “evidence” is insufficient to convince a judge.

I think most states the candidate can ask for a recount, which would just be ballots being run through same machines, but how close the results are would determine who pays for it

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Mostly about who pays

Why is that? Because the Harris campaign and the Dem Governors, SOS and AGs in the swing states have made statements that the election was fair. If there was a valid reason for requesting a recount it would have already happened. It’s not something you do lightly.

And if they do request a recount, it won’t be the hand count that everyone seems to be calling for. Running ballots through the tabulator won’t change anything.

which is what everyone is demanding. I was imprecise in my language so I will amend my statement.

I apologize for any confusion- I should have dug deeper before posting.

Does that properly represent your four posts in this subthread?

Your knowledge of the current state of affairs as regards recount issues nationwide is astounding.

And corrected myself when challenged. It is accurate that you can’t just request a hand count. Point being, the campaign and the governors, SOS and AGs of the swing states are not demanding recounts. What conclusions do you draw from that? Time to climb out of the rabbit hole.

Note to self- stop posting when the wine comes out.

No big deal, really, but to make these pronouncements suggests that you're very heavily involved in this process.

We need more insiders like you.

I worked in government IT, and am familiar with how elections are run, but I’ve been retired for several years. Yes, the language may be sweeping, but that’s due to my casual, and sometimes sloppy, posting style. I will try to more precise.

As to sweeping statements, I am just pointing out the obvious. The only people taking this conspiracy stuff seriously are people unhappy with the election and are flailing as they seek answers. If there were issues we would have heard about it by now, given that we control all but one of the swing states. Harris won’t challenge the election - time to move on the resistance phase.

No where do you address the issue of transparency, except to say we should just trust our “betters “ to tell us the results

When it comes to counting only the president’s race it would be faster to sort and stack than re running them through the scanner

But it appears they intend to go down to fascism without even a fight. If you mention anything about it on here, you’re going to be attacked by numerous people who tell you you’re just like crazy R , etc. I can’t recall the number of times I was ridiculed and told what an idiot I am when I said long ago that all of what has happened was going to happen.

Everyone bending the knee and groveling before our new Dear Leader.

Yes if you are ahead of the curve it does not go well.
It is a bit of a curse, is it not?

and going to war with the rest of Europe? If Putin succeeds, Democracy worldwide is dead and there is no hope for freedom and women's rights anymore. The future of the world will be authoritarian and we will all be in a new dark ages.

Like it or not, this is our current reality.

you have to be INSANELY persistent to get your way. Don't stop. Weakness is punished not just in American society, but in nature and the world. Being too sane is also punished. Sooo many successful inventors, creators, etc... had an insane amount of persistence.

People should be ashamed of letting America become Vichy France.

Yes we should be ashamed but no one seems ashamed in the least.

Mostly afraid which is the emotion fascists like to instill in the populace.

In fascist regimes people are too afraid and too busy fighting for daily survival to fight the facist regime.

Governor and AG. Do you think they allowed out and out theft in an election they are responsible for. Trust me. If Governor Witmer thought there was any cheating in Michigan, she wouldn’t put up with it.

shouting fraud. Perhaps the elections the governors ran were ok. Just a thought.

No shouting anywhere about anything.

Even about the obvious Russian interference.

My training is that 2+2 always equals 4.
And puzzle pieces only fit one way.

It is more than "just a thought."
It is called science.

I think it should be done automatically after all elections except for perhaps minor, local elections.

If it proves everything was on the up and up fine, at least you tried to do everything possible and you found out. I haven’t completely trusted the election system for gathering and counting votes since 2016 and I always take a photograph of my ballot now before I put it in the machine. Someone tried to tell me that is illegal at our polling place.

I realize that Harris is the only one that could request this apparently for the presidential election, and I realize that it’s most probably never going to happen.

I’m not going stop saying what I think about all of this. I believe there are valid reasons to be suspicious. Look at who your opponent is, look at what he has already done and look at what he was telling his voters prior to the elections. Other past elections have been tampered and there is always some form of tampering, whether voter suppression or otherwise, usually not enough to change the outcome. The sc annointed w, he did not win the election.

Fascists break all rules to get into power and they test boundaries of democracies to see what they can get away with. Now he and his fellow psychos have no holds barred to do whatever they want to and whatever they can get away with.

Yes, they are run through tabulators but they can do tabulator audits by hand counting samples and comparing the results to that of the tabulator.

When they scanned the ballots they recorded the images put them in a pdf and opened them to anyone who wanted to check them.

For the most part the ballots were counted correctly until the end , an entire category had been left off, I assume someone forgot to prepare a column for that category. It was something like the early votes got reported but the absentee ballots didn’t get reported.

It’s been a long time ago but I remember it as 167 ballots missed in the reporting. When Georgia was recounted by hand basically the same thing happened only it was thousands.

Kathy something in Wisconsin pulled a variation on that by supposedly losing an entire city’s vote count ( sc kloppenberg election) and then finding it on her personal laptop two days after the results had been announced. Whoops she said, winner changed from the independent to the republican.

Maybe missing those votes were mistakes but they wouldn’t happen with hand counting

The guy claiming there were 350,000 bullet votes for Trump in North Carolina doesn't actually know who anyone voted for and there are only about 90,000 more votes for president than governor. Basic math and civics makes his allegations false.

Tsf's patently obvious madeup and corrupt claims in 2020.

Plus there were, uh, 18 million fewer, uh, votes. Which doesn’t match what my eyes and ears told me:

We had the better candidate, a person of good character and integrity, qualified as Vice-President, US Senator, California Attorney General, San Francisco prosecutor, etc.

They ran a convicted felon, accused traitor in service of Vladimir Putin, demented, deranged, unhinged, fraud, liar and incompetent grifter incapable of completing a single thought that wasn’t about sex organs.

Great question, Stinky: WTF is that Democratic Lawyer Army?