Not wanting to let the incoming crapministration know what's been done to protect the US...

Our Constitution says "Promote the General Welfare", and none of that is being set to be done. Our 3 branches of government have been captured by grifters, sexual assulters, and idiots, the justice dept. Out to lunch, and I'm afraid the Koch's are taking everything.

Post 4 is your best try?

What’s that old cliche? It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it.

I think everything is being quietly investigated behind the scene. Kamala is quiet, Joe is making a speech in the Amazon rain forest. I think recounts and audits are being done, which isn't unusual after an election. But I'll bet those are forensic auditors and there are specialists in election security are present too. Once they have irrefutable evidence, they'll go to court.

You don’t know because there isn’t anything to do.

We’re witnessing the greatest weakness of democracy: the voters.

The people are solely responsible for the bad government they get; the people deserve the bad government they seek.

And neither does anyone else who was smart enough not to ever vote for Donald Trump.

We are watching our democracy die. All of those who fought and died for it before this gave their sacrifice in vain.

It’s disgusting and I really question the attitude to “just let it happen without questioning”.

But we lost. Downside to democracy, someone always loses and this time it was our turn. More voted for them. Majority rules and all that.

One of the known weaknesses of democracy ...
The democratic process can render bad result (as well as the good) And, yes - if enough of our neighbors (the voters) are gullible enough (or mean spirited enough) to vote poorly. Then, in fact, we DO deserve this!

We fought hard. Our side lost. Elections have ....

“You didn’t read the post”????

I wrote the post. I agree with your assessment to a degree. Democracy should be about the majority. But ours hasn’t been many times over the last 20 years. Elections should be about who is President; they weren’t meant to be part of installing a want to be dictator. These are waters that have not been navigated before here in this country.

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Thus rendering statements like, "We don't deserve this" or "Why doesn't somebody .." - fairly meaningless. We DID do something ... We elected a totally unfit caricature to be the most powerful man on the planet. Twice ! So, in every sense that can possibly matter - We deserve it ! I know it is unpalatable and in fact gut wrenching ... But that is where we are ! And cries that 'somebody' should 'do something' ... Are not going to come to our rescue or save us. Is what it is ...

Not exactly a commanding lead..

And that determines who we will be swearing into office. Correct?

but hardly a number that justifies holding the entire country responsible for it., i.e. "we" did this.

It just fits so well for your argument at this moment.
However, I disagree with you. If 1.5 billion dollars can be spent on this campaign, money can be found to make sure that the most dishonest person in the world, and the richest man in the world didn't cheat! Fucking hell, why is everyone trying to shut people with this opinion up?

Because of the electoral college.

under for 240 years. The fact that we (or again just 'some' of us) find it deficient after this length of time - primarily because it has not rendering the 'result' that we prefer - is really rather irrelevant for this particular time and place.

Are you going to go out and get us a 'better' democracy? And pray tell HOW ?

(and, oh by the way, it seems entirely likely that Trump did in fact win the popular vote this time around - which kind of torpedoes that particular crying towel)

Please read about the facts if you don’t yet understand that 😀 Read about the electoral college.

We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.

Louis D. Brandeis

is that democracy is predicated on the redistribution of wealth .. ?

Gee, and it seems like I was always taught ... That was those other guys ..

It’ll be in one of the first weekly “Call to Action” emails my Indivisible group issues - in the new year.

Love it! LOVE it!! LOVE IT!!!

(Except when the majority votes wrong, then we need to have corrective measures in place so that those wrong decisions can be corrected, amirite)

Lol

"It's only a democracy when my side wins ! "
That probably covers it better.

The media has to report the truth. The media has been spinning their lies for the filthy-rich for centuries. But they have just recently been fully monopolized. We've had spates of monopolized mass media but it only recently has been so compromised by money from Nazis and foreign agents.

But if our educational system was better, our citizens would be able to see through the media spin. But more and more there are book burnings, religious intrusions, history hidden by propaganda, political rewriting of inconvenient facts, no civic instruction and parents keeping reality hidden from their children through home schooling.

Maybe a one sided corporate media that looks to deceive instead of to tell the truth and a bad education could be overcome if the work place was unionized and promoted worker organizations. But we don't have that either.

Democracy lost out to the oligarchy because a lot of people don't understand how it works.

The fact that the Democrats have made absolutely no effort to look into verifying the vote count tells me even they don't understand democracy.

and most of the 'journalists' have become Vichy stenographers.

about the Vichy analogy.

thank you for touching on the link between these items.

But you don't show your cards at high-stakes poker.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19743354

What can we do?

government, that nothing is happening. That's not how things work. It's a big country, and in DC there are a lot of moving parts, so it's better not to frustrate yourself, just be patient and aware that they can't speak to the public while they do their jobs. We're not in direct touch with investigative journalists on DU, and if it seems that journalists don't know yet, and they're watching more closely with more govt contacts than you, then you'll have to give up on the idea that nothing's happening until they tell us that.

Right now, the lawyer for two direct eyewitnesses to Gaetz having sex with a 17 year old, is going to cause the House Ethics Comte report to probably be released. It's pretty clear that Gaetz isn't going to be confirmed as AG.

is released that the Senate will do some "early adjournment" weirdness etc. in order to allow Gaetz to be put in by recess appointment.

something!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219743820

we will NOT give in willingly to fascism

It's simply too disturbing. It means a total life change for me, because I've been a news junkie for most of my adult life. Having to cut out news/politics to keep my sanity may or may not work, as I feel lost this way.

or passwords lost. There will be roadblocks.

Nor does anyone who didn’t vote for him. I have to the question the motivation of posters who say that.

It’s not just about the voters. The whole system is faulty and it has obviously failed. The leaders, all of them, are supposed to be protecting us against this type of threat and instead you have a corrupt party who is enabling a murderous fascist to take over the country and destroy it.

Every single thing that could’ve been done to stop him from ever running again, since there are no standards for who can run for an office in this country, was clearly not done, and that is part of the problem. A big part of it in my opinion. You cannot rely on voters to save a democracy when things get this crazy especially when they are one, not very intelligent and two, fascistic and crazy. Or all three for some.

Capitulating to R fascism over many years, has also led to this in my opinion.

We don’t know what they may be doing behind-the-scenes but I’m not holding my breath that there’s going to be anything major done sadly. It is pretty shocking but these people are already protected by the fact that they are all quite wealthy. They can ride out the storm…eventually though if there is a real collapse of the society, they will be affected too. They may become victims of prosecution by the psycho also.

for them to get Gaetz in even while claiming they don't want him.

How many times have we seen that happen before, numerous times.

than Hillary Clinton.

Ok let's put Trump in jail.
He's still President come Jan 20th
He comes out right after

What specifically is stopping that?

the years 1933 and just after. How the propaganda we have seen for years about how the average German citizens went along and supported what was happening was a falsehood. Not unlike the US now and the split we have some did and a huge number did not. Ones who could get out did. But the ability to do so easily faded quickly. Within another span of months after the invasions began it was now difficult across most of Europe. Names were on lists.

The GQP for years have been building databases with names and addresses of people who signed petitions for referendums, candidates, recalls, etc. I remember when the Scott Walker recall was done in Wisconsin. I remember my Mom calling me scared to high heaven because she had received a phone call from somebody who wouldn't identify themselves and they accused her of writing in a phony address on the recall petition and they were making threats. I had to convince my elderly mother that it was just a crank. It did help finally convince her to have her number go unlisted.

and it seems to be getting worse. How many more corrupt, inexperienced people do we need in charge? All led by the worst president ever. Lets see if we can get a few more people from FAUX? This whole situation smells worse than Limburger cheese. Yet, we are expected to accept this and just start counting the days until the next election. My hope is that I only have to count for 2 years, not 4. Maybe then, we can at least stop the bleeding, by retaking the house and senate. No matter how you look at this disastrous situation, if the democrats don't get a workable game plan, it's all over. And they need to start planning NOW!!!!

I hate the smell of Limburger cheese.

Reassure everyone that every vote will be counted and any irregularities looked into?

We're about to watch the equivalent of handing someone the keys to the city knowing full well they will burn it down to the ground. Or parents giving their wild teenager the keys to a brand new Corvette knowing full well that it will get wrecked beyond recognition.

And nothing from the future minority Opposition party leaders?

We could terminate it and see how the civil war goes.

If that is what you want then be upfront.
If you insist there is a door #3 then identify it.

about not handing over to keys?? I will wait. Actually, I won/t because I didn't say anything of the sort.

are (AFAIK) no credible evidence of irregularities in sufficient amounts to change the outcome. So EVEN if they do that (they won't) they will still be doing your second part. Turning over the government in 8 weeks to those they called fascists 3 weeks ago .....

which they think will be fine because Biden is President.

A couple seem to have the idea that some bloodless coup can happen and by some mysterious mechanisms everything peacefully returns to pretty much normal after we have a special election the law doesn't allow for and that we could win the contest after flipping the table.

There is no non table flipping path so if that is the demand then make it honestly and make it considering what that actually means, not just on some super surface level way.

You sure we can win a hot war when we couldn't manage an election?
Are we prepared to kill and subjugate the right when a bunch can't even consider missing a holiday meal with them no matter how miserable it is?

what they are demanding below the surface at least a millimeter or two.

Squeamishness aside, the Commander in Chief advantage for a Democrat likely takes a precipitous hit by flat out initiating the hostilities in response to losing an election, too many conservatives and too many that could at least reasonably consider Biden's orders to be illegitimate even if not ideological or right wing.

The argument is especially tough with a popular vote win in addition to the Electoral College.

These are not small potatoes to be considered hastily.
There would be no going back for real and folks are counting some very dubious eggs as being chickens and not honestly considering that the gender balance and graying are real issues in a hot war scenario.

Like to subjugate the right. Because I don’t trust them to do anything good for people at the bottom of the pyramid like me. I am stressed pissed off and dread the future because of them.

I would love to see the right, conservatism and all its flavors of beliefs destroyed utterly. I want them to suffer in proportion that they made me suffer . If I die I want them to die. I want the arrogant rich to suffer more than that.You can’t compromise with sociopaths or tyrants.

Imagine no republicans.. it isn’t hard to do…

I’m just really pissed off tonight.
Talking out my emotions.

and it died. It can't be brought back from the dead.

I wrote on my calendar November 5th the day democracy died- the full truth is it was already dying for quite some time for the past eight years at least in a severe way. And starting with when you pardoned a president who committed crimes which endangered the nation, and allowed the Supreme Court to anoint a president who wasn’t elected.

There are other examples in history which others will bring up I am sure. I’m looking at more recent events.

Now we have a president elect, who attempted a coup and incited an insurrection, who murdered millions of Americans, and tortured the rest with psychopathy, who will be put in place no doubt to murder millions more Americans, possibly collapsing the economy. Who himself is a traitor and who is beholden to our enemies. With a corrupt Supreme Court, and a corrupt fascist party enabling him.

Crazy dude has pissed off many of the top ranking military leaders…if he goes through with his purge of ‘disloyal’ officers…see where I’m going?

We are in completely new territory here…for America…it has happened in other authoritarian regimes. And yes I meant to say regime.

will admit they voted for him.

Didn't happen. This is a true cult.

The naïveté even on DU as to Trump and his power grab is unbelieveable.

In two years, it won’t matter.

I can’t believe anybody that is using logic can actually say that AGAIN, especially after he murdered millions of us.

They say about 30% of voters are cultists so that means 40% of his voters are possibly persuadable.

MAGA cult are also members to the Magic R. The Magic R gave the remaining 40% the courage to vote for the R even if they personally didn't like Trump. The R has unbelievable power.

11 million voters between '16 and '20 and another 3 million by '24. Trump being Trump for the better part of a decade has increased his support.

Solves all kinds of problems.

(Can you tell I've been watching the Diplomat?)

famous three line strategy out,
Nobody is above the law.
We will go where the evidence leads us.
We will be working from the bottom up.
and then goes dark for 23-months.
IMO. Very few at the top ever seemed truly pissed off over the coup attempt, more of a ooh-hum, hopes this goes away on it's own attitude.
You can't convince me that Biden and Garland threw the full might and weight of US law down on the orange one and his henchmen until they exhausted every signal gray area of the law. I would bet that there are whistleblowers of our government/intelligence in prison now on sketchy charges that the pesky appeals court can't touch. Because of the full might and weight of US law was brought down on them. If there's will, there's a way.

Things that make you go hmmmmm,,,,, interesting read. originally posted by another DUer.
https://sarahkendzior.substack.com/p/servants-of-the-mafia-state?r=d569l&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

(snip) The Biden Placeholder Presidency was designed to exist between two terms of Trump, Mafia Grover Cleveland style. The threat of Trump returning to office to complete his autocratic agenda is severe. But that he is able to do it – that the US is the only country in history to allow a coup to go unpunished and a seditionist to run for president again – is due to Garland, the DOJ, and their accomplices in Congress.

Quick justice. No other nation state would allow this to happen. It was a revolt, a revolution, with elements of the French Revolution now that the prisoners will go free. Democrats do not know, learn, or live their Machiavell. You gonna have power, you gotta wield power.

Anyone know, where I can get a Russian language book/CD? It may come in handy.

Every day it's nonstop horrible news about what unqualified, evil nut job he's going to appoint to a vital role in our government, all the horrible things he wants to do to take away our rights and make life harder for most Americans, and how he plans to bypass any kind of restraints, including making recess appointments to make sure the worst of the worst creeps are put into place per Putin's plan to destroy our country. I feel a sense of dread, panic, and despair that won't go away. I don't understand how Biden, Harris, and most of the democratic politicians can just go about their daily business pretending this is just another normal transition. It's crazy beyond belief.

But I still believe there is a war against the left and many won’t take the chance of going that far.
Maybe someone like the UAW president who spoke against trump?
Maybe he should invite anyone to join the UAW as an “associate member”?

needs to go, at this point. Completely useless and spineless!