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DV1

(82 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:48 AM 18 hrs ago

If things get really serious, what percentage can we count on?

As of 2024:

There are over 1,280,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the United States. This includes officers from local police departments, county sheriff's offices, state troopers, and federal law enforcement agencies.

Federal law enforcement - About 137,000 of the sworn law enforcement officers work for federal law enforcement agencies.

The number of enlisted personnel in the US military by branch:

Army: 453,551
Navy: 332,322
Air Force: 318,698
Marine Corps: 172,577
Total armed forces: 1,277,148

Personally, I give a higher percentage to the armed forces provided they still understand what is 'unlawful'.

Local LEOs, the percentage will depend on particular regions. Blue, red, purple, etc.

Lastly, when the full realization of the conflict hits, what do you think the percentage of desertions will be?

Note: This posting pretty much done on the fly. If there's an element you feel I've not noted in the mix, then please feel free to include it.

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If things get really serious, what percentage can we count on? (Original Post) DV1 18 hrs ago OP
We cannot count on anything if things get really bad. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #1
Seems like there's a lot of misogyny within law-enforcement organizations Walleye 18 hrs ago #2
Count on for what? Tbear 18 hrs ago #3
No. DV1 18 hrs ago #8
In that case, I wouldn't count on any law enforcement Tbear 16 hrs ago #14
lol I myself never count on LEO/military/enforcement WhiskeyGrinder 18 hrs ago #4
12% Kaleva 18 hrs ago #5
There's an element you have not noted in the mix: Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #6
Considering all the 'fear' DV1 17 hrs ago #10
Yourself. Autumn 18 hrs ago #7
Excellent reply. DV1 18 hrs ago #9
I'm thinking at best maybe 50% of the woodsprite 17 hrs ago #11
Thank you for the clear reply. DV1 17 hrs ago #12
The cops will not be on our side anywhere. alarimer 17 hrs ago #13
Probably optimistic but a quarter of cops and half the military. TheKentuckian 16 hrs ago #15

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
1. We cannot count on anything if things get really bad.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:51 AM
18 hrs ago

In an emergency situation people focus on survival and take care of themselves and their family.
They will do what they have to do to survive.

The social contract falls apart quite quickly and people on the margins are out of luck.

Tbear

(513 posts)
14. In that case, I wouldn't count on any law enforcement
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:36 PM
16 hrs ago

Just like most poc dont trust them now.
The military leadership should hold. Decades of entrenched service to America.

Note: I am pro law enforcement but they are just people in the end and will do what they need to do to survive just as we

Fiendish Thingy

(18,506 posts)
6. There's an element you have not noted in the mix:
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:01 AM
18 hrs ago

What the hell are you talking about?

Civil war?

Execution of political opponents?

What do you mean by “If things get really serious”?

Spell.It.Out.

DV1

(82 posts)
10. Considering all the 'fear'
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:29 AM
17 hrs ago

I've read in various DU postings (a recent one asking, 'Is Trump trying to kill us?) and at large in the media, you're saying you don't know what I'm referring to?

Civil war? No, I don't see that happening. But I cannot discount the possibility of turncoats in any of the services.

woodsprite

(12,199 posts)
11. I'm thinking at best maybe 50% of the
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:41 AM
17 hrs ago

military and law enforcement will be reliable when it comes down to it - between their loyalty to the office of the President rather than the Constitution, their religious beliefs/teachings, bigotry, misogyny, and authoritarian personalities or just plain fulfillment of their desire to bully/use force, or go along to get along, etc.

Unfortunately, a majority of people that I personally know in local law enforcement and the military are all Trumpers and fundy evangelicals - that includes 2 rangers, a coastie, and some army brass that I’m related to.

DV1

(82 posts)
12. Thank you for the clear reply.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:57 AM
17 hrs ago

Question: Of those you know who are in uniform would you say they are the type to defy orders if the orders are counter to what Trump would want? Do they consider the 'consequences' of such to themselves or is that of little concern in their stance?

alarimer

(16,574 posts)
13. The cops will not be on our side anywhere.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:02 PM
17 hrs ago

They serve property and money more than the people. It's been true ever since police departments were established.

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