it is deeply disturbing and hard to understand why so many Americans are embracing fascism

choosing what they WANT to believe rather than weighing facts, evidence and logic. Many shady people use the Internet to take advantage of those who can be fooled that way.

they worry about Soros and trans folk while dismissing climate change and the war on women

Polls said nothing about who would win. Plus, all other indicators suggested Harris would win. I’m in favor of doing all reasonable inquiries. After that, let it go.

Unless its really close if you want a recount you have to pay for it. Some lady told me she suspected fake voters. I told her the lists of people who voted are public and to have at it. Really doubt she would find anything. Don't know what else can be reasonaby done.

FASCISM won. America lost.

It's really a shame to see his material get repeatedly posted (and highly recommended) on DU the way it has.

It's a poison pill. And people are asking for water to help swallow it.

That's not fraud though and its not a hoax. Here in PA they are getting away with tossing out mail in votes that arrive without a date on the outer envelope, even if they arrive by election day and there is no doubt they were legitimate votes. The crooked US Supreme Court is letting them get away with it and it may make the difference between Senator Bob Casey winning or a complete jerk winning. Just awful.

Not what I was talking about in my OP though.

we don't need conspiracy theories to see how the R's have been rigging the game. The RW Supreme Court allows them to, has since 2000 when they helped W win. Those are legitimate issues. But election conspiracy theories on the left only make us look bad, as it allows the media to say that 'both sides' do it.

And with the GOP in firm control of all three branches and a dictatorship at the top its going to get far worse.

Spoonamore is not evidence.

Be any more damaged?

like they do for Trump''s. I want our voters to trust us too. Lying to them hurts that. Lots of ways these things hurt.

Because they would never lie, cheat, manipulate or steal anything.

Right?

They've been cheating since 2000 and before. They've only honed their ability to cover it up. Who is naive enough to think they stopped???

Tons of ways they cheat. What I'm talking about isn't one of them.

Our elections monitors, our elections officials and chiefs, Democratic governors in MI, WI, PA, AZ, NC.

There's no deus ex machina here.

of a con artist.

and 1 guy that has made a 20 year career out of peddling this .... Basically innuendo and junk science.

Curious how the rest of the people in this field are not rushing in to bolster and confirm ...

The Republicans have proven that they will stop at nothing to gain and remain in power. Low information voters only care about the price of eggs, making sure that xenophobia becomes the national policy, and putting gay and trans people in their place. I'm pretty sure that there were any number of irregularities in the election, but how widespread they were, I don't know. A recount of at least the swing states would make me and a lot of other people around here feel better but I guess that's not in the cards.

With all due respect, It says at the beginning that the article is not subject to review by The Daily Kos staff.

You talks about only being able to get the vote totals by opening up the back of the machine. DREs are pretty much extinct (see verifiedvoting.org) . You talk about having to have physical contact with machines in order to manipulate them and fail to recognize the most important vulnerability of the machines which is the memory cards. Spoonemore mentions this specifically and you ignore it

We should all be skeptical but we should also be objective and open-minded.

I'm my opinion your critique of spoonamore is no better than spoonamores letter itself

Science is being Objective, Skeptical, Open minded

who have signed a letter describing breaches in election system software that were brought to light in 2022 and never addressed.

After describing the breaches, it concludes:

Did he not lie about the bullet ballots?

Is it not impossible to hack a voting machine if its air locked and you don't have physical access to it?

If real voters were being impersonated wouldn't some of the impersonated voters also show up to vote?

What is not objective about these things? They look like solid facts to me.

There should be a recount in the swing states at the very least, but our leadership is failing us in that regard.

I doubt they could get recounts if they tried.

Trumpsters were caught breaking into voting machines eight times and photographing They said they were looking to prove fraud rather than commit it, but of course I don't trust them. Fortunately, others knew this and I'm pretty sure some precautions were taken to prevent them from gaining access to the machines. Without access they could not be hacked.

If the entire systems were rigged I'm pretty sure they would not have gotten away with it. The machines are tested prior to elections. Also, the differences would have shown up in exit polls. Those polls showed serious problems for Harris that explain her loss.

Your letter states: "We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those
states were actually compromised as a result of the security breaches, and we are
not suggesting that they were." I think before you can get a hand recount you needs some evidence. Generally, recounts are limited to races where the results are very close. When they aren't a candidate that wants the recount has to pay for it . The Trumpsters would go wild if one was requested and would swear up and down we were trying to steal the election. It would not be pretty, and we'd probably lose. Even if we won its very unlikely we'd find anything. Cheating is not really possible.

I understand why after the break ins we should be suspicious. I don't see a winning remedy for it though.

Knowing everything we know about their efforts at voter suppression, and their actual breaches of the voting machines by Trump people, it would be nuts just to trust that nothing happened.

It would have been perfectly possible, as Spoonamore explained, to write software designed to only change results on the day of the election and return to normal afterwards.

The only way to be certain is to do a partial hand recount in the states listed by Prof. Buell.. If serious discrepancies are found, then recount everything in those states.

This is so obvious to me. They stole 2016, they tried to steal 2020, and they remedied their deficiencies in 2024 with the help of Elon Musk - the richest man in the world with access to unlimited financial and intellectual resources. The fate of the world literally hangs on this. How can anyone not demand further investigation?

circumstances CHANGED with the revelation of the 2022 breaches.

I guess some of us were too well trained.

An example

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2142428-hacking-a-us-electronic-voting-booth-takes-less-than-90-minutes/

But that is when hackers had physical access to the machines. That's not easy to get. They are locked away and have tamper proof seals. Your article says its possible to get into them with wireless technology. My article says it isn't possible: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32N26ZV

the coding months or even years before.

nothing is off the table. I think you're being very naive if you think it's impossible to have our elections tampered with, especially when there are so many inconsistencies. What's really true and what's really not is the REAL question and that answer doesn't happen overnight.